At one point, he added, Irish followers alone were giving œ2,000 a week. But that was "peanuts" compared to what was going to England and to Gartmore House.
Is this a clue to why the Moynihans have been sent to England? :ph34r:
Dave, I seconds that motion! The guy (Geer) is two words: in sane. His 'thoughts' (term loosely used here) even beats the 'theory' I once heard in TWI back in 1985 about since light is coming from the monitor, that it means that the computer has its own form of life, thus making it devilish. Uhhh, for one thing, the light is coming from the monitor, not the computer. And that isn't the only thing wrong with that swill.
Amazing, as I look back and consider what I used to think was spouted off as science!
I think that article is from the 80s, judging by when it says Gartmore was purchased by twi.
Wasn't Chrsitopher Leggett Chirs Geer's brother-in-law? I seem to recall that Chris L. is Barb Geer's brother, but I could be misremembering. I remember him as kind of a free spirit--the exact opposite of CG.
I found this when I did search for Chris Geer on Google. Once you click on the link, you have to do a search in the document for Chris Geer because there are several things listed besides CG.
You hire the amish to build you a house or a barn and they call in 400 to 500 guys and get it done in very little time , perfect work and very premium money. they have all types of business, everything you can think of , the ladies run resturants sell bake goods do the farm markets in the city etc..
they pay no taxes remember.. so a bur in my side is the fact they pay no tax yet they can now use public resources like school buses but I get why (a family of 7 was wiped out just recently in a bad buggy accident. ) WE pay to bus them to their own school . they use the public building and hospitals
they tend to take over a small town , they come to all the political meetings regarding how decisions are made etc.. and they have power in money and land resources. they go to college and decide how to better their own sects.
I am not of the belief they are quaint quiet religous people , they are in reality quite powerful and demanding of what they want, very good business men indeed.
You hire the amish to build you a house or a barn and they call in 400 to 500 guys and get it done in very little time , perfect work and very premium money. they have all types of business, everything you can think of , the ladies run resturants sell bake goods do the farm markets in the city etc..
they pay no taxes remember.. so a bur in my side is the fact they pay no tax yet they can now use public resources like school buses but I get why (a family of 7 was wiped out just recently in a bad buggy accident. ) WE pay to bus them to their own school . they use the public building and hospitals
Hmmmm. Methinks there are illegal aliens, doing the same, but they are illegal, and the Amish are not.
Yes Tom it is. It has nothing to do with a web site. Looks like they are (GEERing up) to run some clases here without having to ship the stuff from overseas.
Yet TWI proved you could have church in the home without the financial backing of a denomination. They were so successful that the churches HAD to notice and give respect. Yeah, their lip service was "It's a cult! Run for it!", but they changed with the times didn't they? Having been in a few churches since leaving TWI, I'd say they've lightened up on the hell stuff quite a bit.
One notes that the ICC (aka The Boston Church of Christ) grew in many ways as did TWI and they also used home fellowships and community centers and was also regarded as a cult. The Moonies did it also and had numbers comparable to TWI. "home fellowships" predated TWI's peak and many people in the 60s ,with no knowledge of TWI or ICC, are very familiar with this idea so I think this is why there is something of a resurgence in churches at home. In reality the recent interest in home fellowships has very little to do with TWI if anything at all. Even if one restricts their attention to the "cults", TWI, ICC ,and the Unification church used homes, centers, and rentals to hold services and all were of comparable size at their respective peaks so I don't how one organization can be singled out as being more influential than another. and I doubt that mainstream denominational leaders were sitting there taking notes on outreach and growth from TWI,ICC, or the Unification church. Many people want a return to the supposed simplicity of the 60s (though they were anything but simple) but the idea of less intervention in one's spiritual life was definitely valued and people haven't forgotten about that. While there is definite interest in home fellowships at this time it is by no means taking the country by storm at least to the extent that churches are closing doors in record numbers.
gosh diazbro..........you make me miss the good old days.......the fellowships in my areas for the first 5-10 years were so sweet and I always looked forward to going to them..........then coffee and dessert at a restaurant later, share the Word with the waitress or a customer..........laught til midnight, get home and go to sleep........those were some of my most favorite nights..............or maybe it's cuz those were some of my most youthful days.........Gosh we had some great times the couple years I was down in North Carolina......any of you way marketing folks still out there remember all the good times.....????? I know you are here Tom
gosh diazbro..........you make me miss the good old days.......the fellowships in my areas for the first 5-10 years were so sweet and I always looked forward to going to them..........then coffee and dessert at a restaurant later, share the Word with the waitress or a customer..........laught til midnight, get home and go to sleep........those were some of my most favorite nights..............or maybe it's cuz those were some of my most youthful days.........Gosh we had some great times the couple years I was down in North Carolina......any of you way marketing folks still out there remember all the good times.....????? I know you are here Tom
The nineties became more like a NIGHTMARE.
Yea. That trip down memory lane is fine and sweet. I take that trip now and again myself. The key is not to confuse the good times of youth as being the result of the TWI. I met some GREAT people when I joined up with TWI but they would have been good regardless of the circumstances so I give THEM the credit. Its like sharing an umbrella with someone for an extended period of time. Maybe you share some things and have a moment but no one wants to be in the rain their whole life. One can have a good time without it.
Yes, I'm part of a CG "offshoot" and we believe that VPW was a man of god who happened to sin in his flesh as opposed to a sexual predator who happened to have a bible ministry, which is what many GSers think. That's NOT idolatry just to respect someone for something.
ok this is as far as i got..... a man of god w ho happened to sin in the flesh as opposed to a sexual predator who happened to have a bible ministry
oh please
you ought to ask your offshoot guru about his own whatever he happened to be and then whatever whatever
Yet TWI proved you could have church in the home without the financial backing of a denomination
Gimme a break, it wasnt like they invented the concept or proved anything of the sort, people of many denominations have been doing that for centuries.
Its laced through my genealogy on both sides of the family going back to the 1600's. My greatgrandparents, who lived in a rural area, had church in their home for over 60 years starting right after the Civil War.
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You're right, I had never seen this article before...it looks like it is about 20 years old?
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Is this a clue to why the Moynihans have been sent to England? :ph34r:
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dmiller
I hadn't seen that one either. Where'd you find it, Wafer Not?
And Padraig Butterly went from running the Gartmore house to being a pub owner?
Moving UP in the world.
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Dave, I seconds that motion! The guy (Geer) is two words: in sane. His 'thoughts' (term loosely used here) even beats the 'theory' I once heard in TWI back in 1985 about since light is coming from the monitor, that it means that the computer has its own form of life, thus making it devilish. Uhhh, for one thing, the light is coming from the monitor, not the computer. And that isn't the only thing wrong with that swill.
Amazing, as I look back and consider what I used to think was spouted off as science!
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Maybe Geer wrote that article before there were firewalls to keep out the demons !
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I think that article is from the 80s, judging by when it says Gartmore was purchased by twi.
Wasn't Chrsitopher Leggett Chirs Geer's brother-in-law? I seem to recall that Chris L. is Barb Geer's brother, but I could be misremembering. I remember him as kind of a free spirit--the exact opposite of CG.
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I found this when I did search for Chris Geer on Google. Once you click on the link, you have to do a search in the document for Chris Geer because there are several things listed besides CG.
Here's the link: Chris Geer Link
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craftsman is the word when it comes to the amish.
You hire the amish to build you a house or a barn and they call in 400 to 500 guys and get it done in very little time , perfect work and very premium money. they have all types of business, everything you can think of , the ladies run resturants sell bake goods do the farm markets in the city etc..
they pay no taxes remember.. so a bur in my side is the fact they pay no tax yet they can now use public resources like school buses but I get why (a family of 7 was wiped out just recently in a bad buggy accident. ) WE pay to bus them to their own school . they use the public building and hospitals
they tend to take over a small town , they come to all the political meetings regarding how decisions are made etc.. and they have power in money and land resources. they go to college and decide how to better their own sects.
I am not of the belief they are quaint quiet religous people , they are in reality quite powerful and demanding of what they want, very good business men indeed.
they are also a cult.
nice peopel but still a cult ya know.
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dmiller
Hmmmm. Methinks there are illegal aliens, doing the same, but they are illegal, and the Amish are not.
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Jim
Not this one?
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frank123lol
Speaking of the aimish,We have a small sect some 40 miles away,some of them real strict,others,
are"modern aimish"very materialistic.Well if it looks like a duck and walkd like one,,,,
Some of the offshoots,look like twi,but..I think cff has alot of heartand the people are loving and caring.
Ayone seen Big Love on hbo?That roman character is scary those dead eyes...Like a dead cult
leader? :( :(
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WhiteDove
Looks like Word Promotions has recently acquired a corporate charter in Maine.
Here
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Tom Strange
Is that the name of Geer's deal?
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dmiller
Hmmm.
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pond
off topic
the aliens do not vote.
the amish do .
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quote: Looks like Word Promotions has recently acquired a corporate charter in Maine.
So much for him having something to hide.
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Tom Strange
Help out my simple mind please obi-Johnuare... what does one have to do with the other?
(a corporate charter vs an internet presence)
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Yes Tom it is. It has nothing to do with a web site. Looks like they are (GEERing up) to run some clases here without having to ship the stuff from overseas.
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One notes that the ICC (aka The Boston Church of Christ) grew in many ways as did TWI and they also used home fellowships and community centers and was also regarded as a cult. The Moonies did it also and had numbers comparable to TWI. "home fellowships" predated TWI's peak and many people in the 60s ,with no knowledge of TWI or ICC, are very familiar with this idea so I think this is why there is something of a resurgence in churches at home. In reality the recent interest in home fellowships has very little to do with TWI if anything at all. Even if one restricts their attention to the "cults", TWI, ICC ,and the Unification church used homes, centers, and rentals to hold services and all were of comparable size at their respective peaks so I don't how one organization can be singled out as being more influential than another. and I doubt that mainstream denominational leaders were sitting there taking notes on outreach and growth from TWI,ICC, or the Unification church. Many people want a return to the supposed simplicity of the 60s (though they were anything but simple) but the idea of less intervention in one's spiritual life was definitely valued and people haven't forgotten about that. While there is definite interest in home fellowships at this time it is by no means taking the country by storm at least to the extent that churches are closing doors in record numbers.
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gosh diazbro..........you make me miss the good old days.......the fellowships in my areas for the first 5-10 years were so sweet and I always looked forward to going to them..........then coffee and dessert at a restaurant later, share the Word with the waitress or a customer..........laught til midnight, get home and go to sleep........those were some of my most favorite nights..............or maybe it's cuz those were some of my most youthful days.........Gosh we had some great times the couple years I was down in North Carolina......any of you way marketing folks still out there remember all the good times.....????? I know you are here Tom
The nineties became more like a NIGHTMARE.
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Yea. That trip down memory lane is fine and sweet. I take that trip now and again myself. The key is not to confuse the good times of youth as being the result of the TWI. I met some GREAT people when I joined up with TWI but they would have been good regardless of the circumstances so I give THEM the credit. Its like sharing an umbrella with someone for an extended period of time. Maybe you share some things and have a moment but no one wants to be in the rain their whole life. One can have a good time without it.
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excathedra
oh please
you ought to ask your offshoot guru about his own whatever he happened to be and then whatever whatever
not surprising at all....
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excathedra
oh dear god to only have the stayed mind.....
i can't read this
anyone who would follow that psycho probably followed the original psycho whom i followed
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Gimme a break, it wasnt like they invented the concept or proved anything of the sort, people of many denominations have been doing that for centuries.
Its laced through my genealogy on both sides of the family going back to the 1600's. My greatgrandparents, who lived in a rural area, had church in their home for over 60 years starting right after the Civil War.
Why does TWI have to take credit for everything?
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