What are your beliefs currently? (Poll)

[markomalley]

There would be a few more questions, but I guess these ones hit the big points...thanks for your inputs.

[bliss]

Mark

I needed a "do not know, or not sure" on the Jesus Christ poll. :blink:

[justloafing]

The only one I voted for was the Son of God not God. All the others were other or do not know.

I have walked away from religion after twi but still believe in God and love him with all of my heart and still pray to God. TWI just ruined any type of religion for me but who knows that could change but it has been 19 years since I have left twi.

[markomalley]

Bliss,

You have a great point. I should have made sure that all the questions had "I don't know" as an answer. But, alas, I cannot go back and edit the poll.

JustLoafing,

I hope you can find something that will work for you and your life.

[justloafing]

JustLoafing,

I hope you can find something that will work for you and your life.

Thanks Mark. I always have my eyes open.

[Tom Strange]

Good questions Mark... and the results are interesting... I'm more comfortable with an "Alien Beings" concept these days... (that's my explanation for 'Other')

[CM]

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=ljRNdsnCqkY

that didn't work too well....

http://webjay.org/insta.m3u?url=http://wor...0-%20Africa.mp3

try that 1

Edited February 28, 2006 by CM

[Tom Strange]

Clay, what are you trying to show us? I got a "cannot find" thingy and went to the youtube.com home page... but I don't know what you're trying to turn me on to...

[CM]

the video is better

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sq-95_xhVko...CF166A3&index=0

maybe that will work

Edited February 28, 2006 by CM

[CM]

get it playing?

[FreeFromCults]

Let me add my responses:

I consider myself a non-practicing Christian and I don't adhere to any sect or denomination in particular.

I do believe in God, but I don't believe Jesus to be God as I believe he's the Son of God.

I believe that SIT is nothing but CRAP.

I don't know what happen to the dead.

I don't go to any Church, Worship Center nor do I hang out and worship like I said I am non-practicing Christian.

In other words, I grew up with the Christian beliefs (even before joining TWI), but I don't totally practice them as more than anything else, I am a human being and I make mistakes. Just because I make mistakes and I am not practicing my faith as much, does that mean God is gonna love us less???

[Tom Strange]

that last link worked... a little Toto is good every now and then... what happened to the Librarian? ...her glasses were ruined...

So... is that your belief now... Toto? or Africa?

[CM]

imagination Tom,

books...glassses....fire

i have no label

Edited February 28, 2006 by CM

[Thomas Loy Bumgarner]

On the question of the ressurrection, I don't believe in last time physical bodily ressurection, but believe that spiritual ressurection occurs upon death(body will simply decay and never be raised). In other words, upon death I will automatically be raised to new life in Christ Jesus and go directly to heaven for all eternity. As for manifestations, I think BGLeonard got it right, not Wierwille, and while I do not require that others agree with me, I do all 9 but not all the time 24/7/12. But that's just me.

Edited February 28, 2006 by Thomas Loy Bumgarner

[T-Bone]

Mark -thanks for the poll idea. Boy, I think I could have answered I'm not sure on all these.

[dmiller]

The first link worked fine for me. Nice video and tune! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch.php?v=ljRNdsnCqkY

[dmiller]

Other (please describe in a post) [ 5 ]** [12.82%]

Biblical Unitarian.

[Jim]

Purty hard question MarkO.

Let's just say that my searching days are over. I live a good life, love my family and my work and try to do the right thing. I don't go to church, and I don't worry about the Trinity, 4 crucified or whether or not Eve had a bellybutton.

[GarthP2000]

... or whether or not Eve had a bellybutton.

I *knew* that there was a theological question of import missing from the poll!!

[LG]

My only reservation with your questions was "we were just brainwashed." I do believe that it was bunk, but I don't think that I was brainwashed. I think I actually knew that it was bunk all along, but I wanted it to be true and played a big game of make believe for several years.

[markomalley]

Thanks, folks, for your answers.

So it appears that there are a wide variety of religious beliefs going on here.

I was curious how many people still subscribed to TWI-like beliefs:

apparently 26 still subscribe to the Son of God but not God belief for Christ. Only 10 have tossed the whole thing.

apprently 9 still subscribe to TWI beliefs on spiritual manifestations.

and 16 still subscribe to the soul-sleep belief of TWI.

And only 9 do the twig or twig-like thing.

Thanks! (Now back to the Wierwillite thread)

[Cynic]

I think offering a distinction between Jesus being “the second person of the Blessed Trinity” and Jesus being “God” makes for something quite misleading.

I opted for the "second person of the Blessed Trinity” alternative rather than the “God” alternative to avoid the modalistic implications of the latter caused by its being played as something distinct from the former.

I wish now that I had not participated in this poll.

Jesus is fully God AND God is tripersonal rather than unipersonal.

I think the London Baptist Confession of 1689 put it rather well, confessing "Of God and the Holy Trinity":

“In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on him.”

(Copied and pasted from http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc02.html )

Edited March 1, 2006 by Cynic

[markomalley]

I think offering a distinction between Jesus being “the second person of the Blessed Trinity” and Jesus being “God” makes for something quite misleading.

There is a difference between the two doctrines, as you know.

I opted for the "second person of the Blessed Trinity” alternative rather than the “God” alternative to avoid the modalistic implications of the latter caused by its being played as something distinct from the former.

Exactly.

I wish now that I had not participated in this poll.

Sorry you feel that way.

Jesus is fully God AND God is tripersonal rather than unipersonal.

I think the London Baptist Confession of 1689 put it rather well, confessing "Of God and the Holy Trinity":

“In this divine and infinite Being there are three subsistences, the Father, the Word or Son, and Holy Spirit, of one substance, power, and eternity, each having the whole divine essence, yet the essence undivided: the Father is of none, neither begotten nor proceeding; the Son is eternally begotten of the Father; the Holy Spirit proceeding from the Father and the Son; all infinite, without beginning, therefore but one God, who is not to be divided in nature and being, but distinguished by several peculiar relative properties and personal relations; which doctrine of the Trinity is the foundation of all our communion with God, and comfortable dependence on him.”

(Copied and pasted from http://www.vor.org/truth/1689/1689bc02.html )

The above is an accurate representation of what western Christianity confesses in regard to the Blessed Trinity. But I am curious, though, to hear your opinion of the original Creed of Constantinople-Nicea versus the changes initially inserted by the Synod of Toledo in 589? Do you think that reverting to the original Creed would fundamentally change western pneumatology?

[Thomas Loy Bumgarner]

Mark, under sub-catergory of Christian Protestant for Episcopalians/Anglicans, you also list United Methodist and Nazerene, which should have been listed as Wesleyan and been a seperate catergory instead of being linked with Episcopal(although John and Charles remained Anglican priests for life). Check out my topic on Denominations whcih line them up according to families. Have a blessed Ash Wednesday and Lenten season,bro.

Edited March 1, 2006 by Thomas Loy Bumgarner

[GrouchoMarxJr]

I describe myself simply as a Christian...no other labels are necessary or appropriate for me.