Well he did (close his eyes) and he sent them (The prophets) I think you are limiting what God can do. I had the verse written down but I will get it to you shortly about the closing eyes.
I am wrong that is the first time I have heard anything of that sort on here. You might as well get in line behind the long list that came before you and said that exact thing.
:blink: God is not wrong the only thing I could say now would be a insult to you
The reason I have closed my eyes is to the BS or hogwash on this site saying that big bad VPW, and LCM, and etc... came and got me what a bunch of sh!t.
so CK... have you met Mike? he adores veepee and PFAL... you two would probably get along famously... he mostly hangs out down in the doctrinal section if you want to look him up...
Brought that point up to him earlier: he never answered me.
No I am sorry for not answering but I have decided that VPW did the best he could and I quote ICOR 13:4 Thinketh no evil. In the old testament God closed his eyes to the sins of Israel. So I have done the same thing with VPW, LCM, and TWI.
I suspect that ck's basis for thinking that "God closed his eyes to the sins of Israel" is a misunderstanding of something Wierwille said about Acts 17:30.
The reason I have closed my eyes is to the BS or hogwash on this site saying that big bad VPW, and LCM, and etc... came and got me what a bunch of sh!t.
CK
Ck -- sorry bro -- everything said here is true. IMO -- what you are looking at is your perception of something, versus someone else's actual experience, of the same thing.
For the record -- I liked vpw and lcm -- however even though I met both of them personally I knew them MOSTLY by their teachings I heard on tape. I never knew them *up close and personal*, like some of the folks here. But you know what??? Even the *tone* of the tapes started changing after a while.
If you want to hang on to a pipe dream, and say that all they taught was good and that they did their best -- have at it -- I won't stop you, but your idea that all our experience's are *bs* is the same as ignoring the sworn testimony (in court) of a mafioso testifying against the mob he used to work for.
No doubt the *mob* might have done some good -- but the *insider's* testimony can't be ignored.
When deciding who is the worst leader we should see who is the most decieved by the Devil. In what I have found LCM was the most confused and the devil has blinded him from the truth. The pope is just going by what he has been taught. Rev. Geer and VPW taught the word of God. Rivenbark is lost in her fear. So by what I can tell LCM was the most decieved of the group. Therefore he would be the worst leader, but my choice is not because of relations. The failure is what helped me decide. While voting for the pope he is wrong also.
The pope is just going by what he has been taught. Rev. Geer and VPW taught the word of God. Rivenbark is lost in her fear. So by what I can tell LCM was the most decieved of the group.
The pope follows *party doctrine*,
*Rev* "pistol-packing bus-driver" made a power play,
Docvic might have been good seed, but he was choked by the thorns (Mark 4:19),
Lcm followed what he was taught -- much like the pope.
So -- who's worse? The teacher or the student??
If the student is worse -- then the pope ranks right up there with lcm.
If the teacher is worse --
Then docvic ranks right up there with the RCC, and their tradition.
And meanwhile -- Rosie is lounging in a pool somewhere,
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Goey, it's so good to see you back. :) I have always enjoyed, respected and learned from your posts.
ck, you can really learn a lot here if you'll take that chip off your shoulder. ;)
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Well he did (close his eyes) and he sent them (The prophets) I think you are limiting what God can do. I had the verse written down but I will get it to you shortly about the closing eyes.
:blink: God is not wrong the only thing I could say now would be a insult to you
The reason I have closed my eyes is to the BS or hogwash on this site saying that big bad VPW, and LCM, and etc... came and got me what a bunch of sh!t.
CK
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ck i wish you would either go away or open your eyes to the wonderful things this cafe has done for more people than ole corn field vic ever did
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so CK... have you met Mike? he adores veepee and PFAL... you two would probably get along famously... he mostly hangs out down in the doctrinal section if you want to look him up...
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nope Goey... sorry... ck said he closed his eyes...
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I suspect that ck's basis for thinking that "God closed his eyes to the sins of Israel" is a misunderstanding of something Wierwille said about Acts 17:30.
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Ck -- sorry bro -- everything said here is true. IMO -- what you are looking at is your perception of something, versus someone else's actual experience, of the same thing.
For the record -- I liked vpw and lcm -- however even though I met both of them personally I knew them MOSTLY by their teachings I heard on tape. I never knew them *up close and personal*, like some of the folks here. But you know what??? Even the *tone* of the tapes started changing after a while.
If you want to hang on to a pipe dream, and say that all they taught was good and that they did their best -- have at it -- I won't stop you, but your idea that all our experience's are *bs* is the same as ignoring the sworn testimony (in court) of a mafioso testifying against the mob he used to work for.
No doubt the *mob* might have done some good -- but the *insider's* testimony can't be ignored.
The same applies here --- at GreaseSpot. ;)
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ckmkeon
If I went away where would you post??
CK
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Tom Strange
If you went away... where would YOU post?
You don't have to go away... just don't be such a little turd...
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God First
Tom
I am not sure but I could find one to post on. Thank you for your opinion
God Bless,
CK
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Raf
This does not make sense.
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Tom Strange
why not?
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ckmkeon
Was Chewbacca a leader and if not why are we discussing him
I am confused
CK
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Actually -- I have a question ---
Perhaps this has been addressed already (I don't know),
But why is the Pope included as the *Worst Leader of the Way*
(I grant you -- I am too lazy to sift through all the previous pages.) :)
What does the Pope have to do with twi????
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Aaaah, I think CK has a personal gripe against the Pope, dmiller. Weird.
I don't get it. Why would anyone with a personal gripe, post it on this board??? :)
Y'know?
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year2027
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Beloved All
God loves us all
I am sorry but it not in the list
The devil would be who most call if there be a possible worst
but about the Way will I moved past worry about them
I let God take care of that because He is the judge no me and I will worry about my own sins
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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What is the greatest trick the Devil pulled on the world??
That he didn't exsist
CK
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year2027
God first
Beloved ckmkeon
God loves you my dear friend
Yes so very true
thank you
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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When deciding who is the worst leader we should see who is the most decieved by the Devil. In what I have found LCM was the most confused and the devil has blinded him from the truth. The pope is just going by what he has been taught. Rev. Geer and VPW taught the word of God. Rivenbark is lost in her fear. So by what I can tell LCM was the most decieved of the group. Therefore he would be the worst leader, but my choice is not because of relations. The failure is what helped me decide. While voting for the pope he is wrong also.
CK
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ROFLMAO
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The pope follows *party doctrine*,
*Rev* "pistol-packing bus-driver" made a power play,
Docvic might have been good seed, but he was choked by the thorns (Mark 4:19),
Lcm followed what he was taught -- much like the pope.
So -- who's worse? The teacher or the student??
If the student is worse -- then the pope ranks right up there with lcm.
If the teacher is worse --
Then docvic ranks right up there with the RCC, and their tradition.
And meanwhile -- Rosie is lounging in a pool somewhere,
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I do think that Dr. Wierwille was the best out of the group
CK
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