You wrote: “What does this mean? The Bible? Organized religion? What?”
No, I’m talking much more specific than the Bible and organized religion. I’m talking about one specific doctrine, as it’s taught in PFAL.
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It’s error that’s complicated.
In this thread we’ve been recently discussing Dr’s handling and naming of the “Law of Believing.” There are many posters who say there is error in this teaching.
I say there’s much error in how many posters here regard the law of believing, BECAUSE most poster’s understanding of what Dr taught on that law is TVT, which stands for Twi Verbal Tradition.
The complicated error of the TVT butchering of the law of believing is what I’m untangling.
The simple truth will be our fully collected set of elements, page refs, and context blocks.
I'm confused by two conversations going on at once. Please repeat the question.
Raf,
You wrote: "It's the "law" of believing that's error. __ You have to become an outright contortionist to make it appear to work."
No, I have to be an outright contortionist to untangle the error suffered by those grads who have a poorly constructed set of elements making up the law of believing.
Beef up your set a little and you will see a little bit of the error disappear.
If you can't name the missing element #5 to my list above, then your set is clearly deficient.
Or, just maybe, it's because there is no law of believing, which allows you and VPW to be all over the map trying to define it, blissfully ignoring the contradictions inherent in the multiplicity of duplicities.
You reject the simple truth in favor of your complicated table of elements.
Mike, why are we even bothering? I mean really, why? You keep trying to lure me into your deception and I'm just not having it. By your fruits you are known, and what are your fruits? Arrogance, deception, delusion... come and get it? I think not. Deceive yourself all you want. You're only robbing yourself of the opportunity for real life.
Thanks for the assurance that that was not an attack.
I fell much better for it.
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Raf,
You wrote: “You keep trying to lure me into your deception...”
I don’t see it that way.
I am plugging ahead with the details of laying out my message, and it’s YOU (along with others) who are trying to lure me from my mission.
I don’t try to lure you into anything.
Now, can you think of another element that should be in that set?
I’ll give you some candy if you can think of just ONE more element.
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Tom,
I had written: “When we DO get back to the truth it will be simple.”
You responded with: “By 'the truth' do you mean PFAL?”
Yes.
When we collect all the elements of the law of believing as presented in PFAL, and we get to know them well, as a mastering student should, THEN the mix of elements requires for dealing with every situation will be simple.
Of course you don't see it as trying to lure me into your deception. You have deceived yourself so completely that you don't even KNOW you're lying anymore!
PFAL teaches you that you actually own a version of a translation of a modern critical text. It’s a good tool for beginners, but by 1985 Dr told us all to switch our mastery efforts to written PFAL.
Did you see the 22 "thus saith the lord" statements earlier in this thread?
That’s where PFAL claims to be God-breathed.
******
Raf,
You wrote: “You won't even admit an error is an error? You won't even address them?”
Correct.
I have my approach and you have yours.
The two approaches are mutually exclusive.
I’ve tried both approaches.
You’ve tried only one.
******
CM,
I’ll sleep tonight assured that you are looking over my welfare.
PFAL teaches you that you actually own a version of a translation of a modern critical text. It’s a good tool for beginners, but by 1985 Dr told us all to switch our mastery efforts to written PFAL.
Did you see the 22 "thus saith the lord" statements earlier in this thread?
That’s where PFAL claims to be God-breathed.
Sure I do... several of them... it says so on the cover!
So... these "thus saith the lord" statements... where did they come from?
...besides... I'd wager that you don't own a copy of "original" PFAL either... just a later translation... so what does that mean?
If you or dmiller can’t point to a physical, flesh realm representation of God’s written Word that’s bigger than you, more authoritative than you, then your physical, flesh brain’s contents is your own broken cistern representation of a god of your own making and you are doomed, your brain being no match against the devil’s intellect.
here's the point-
a physical, flesh realm representation of God’s written Word that’s bigger than you, more authoritative than you
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well this is a waste of time to read Mike
expected though...
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Error is complicated.
VPW's law of believing is complicated.
Things equal to the same thing are equal to each other...
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Tom,
You wrote: “What does this mean? The Bible? Organized religion? What?”
No, I’m talking much more specific than the Bible and organized religion. I’m talking about one specific doctrine, as it’s taught in PFAL.
***
It’s error that’s complicated.
In this thread we’ve been recently discussing Dr’s handling and naming of the “Law of Believing.” There are many posters who say there is error in this teaching.
I say there’s much error in how many posters here regard the law of believing, BECAUSE most poster’s understanding of what Dr taught on that law is TVT, which stands for Twi Verbal Tradition.
The complicated error of the TVT butchering of the law of believing is what I’m untangling.
The simple truth will be our fully collected set of elements, page refs, and context blocks.
***
So, who can name the missing element?
Everyone's heard it.
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It's the "law" of believing that's error.
You have to become an outright contortionist to make it appear to work.
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OK Mike... what about the 'truth' question?
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Tom,
I'm confused by two conversations going on at once. Please repeat the question.
Raf,
You wrote: "It's the "law" of believing that's error. __ You have to become an outright contortionist to make it appear to work."
No, I have to be an outright contortionist to untangle the error suffered by those grads who have a poorly constructed set of elements making up the law of believing.
Beef up your set a little and you will see a little bit of the error disappear.
If you can't name the missing element #5 to my list above, then your set is clearly deficient.
What is the Fifth Element?
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Deception? Idolatry? A seared conscience?
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Here, I'll give you with the deficit sets a hint.
The 5th Element is in the Green Book.
Raf, maybe the reason you never saw this is because you confined your analysis of the law f believing to the Blue Book.
Just maybe.
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Or, just maybe, it's because there is no law of believing, which allows you and VPW to be all over the map trying to define it, blissfully ignoring the contradictions inherent in the multiplicity of duplicities.
You reject the simple truth in favor of your complicated table of elements.
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Raf,
I often see in the KJV that the full story of one topic is OFTEN spread out over many books and chapters.
Why can't PFAL be similarly?
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Why can't it be similarly?
I telling you oftenly. You just be not listener.
Ok, seriously:
Mike, why are we even bothering? I mean really, why? You keep trying to lure me into your deception and I'm just not having it. By your fruits you are known, and what are your fruits? Arrogance, deception, delusion... come and get it? I think not. Deceive yourself all you want. You're only robbing yourself of the opportunity for real life.
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I thought the fifth element was that thing they took out of that girl's stomach so the spaceships could land on the pyramids...
And Mike... for the truth question just read back on the previous page... unless you're too busy to do it...
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you see in order for this "doctrine" to work
their has to be slaves to it, who mindlessly follow it
this is what worked in twi
it's why they made so much money
and we got so little out of it
Mike is trying the same thing
to enslave and use people with it
but it ain't working on most of us
hopefully all of us
this is vomit revomited
this not an attack on you Mike
i am just telling the truth
the truth that you do not want to see
it has nothing to do with you really
but the forces behind it and in front of it
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CM,
Thanks for the assurance that that was not an attack.
I fell much better for it.
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Raf,
You wrote: “You keep trying to lure me into your deception...”
I don’t see it that way.
I am plugging ahead with the details of laying out my message, and it’s YOU (along with others) who are trying to lure me from my mission.
I don’t try to lure you into anything.
Now, can you think of another element that should be in that set?
I’ll give you some candy if you can think of just ONE more element.
***
Tom,
I had written: “When we DO get back to the truth it will be simple.”
You responded with: “By 'the truth' do you mean PFAL?”
Yes.
When we collect all the elements of the law of believing as presented in PFAL, and we get to know them well, as a mastering student should, THEN the mix of elements requires for dealing with every situation will be simple.
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Of course you don't see it as trying to lure me into your deception. You have deceived yourself so completely that you don't even KNOW you're lying anymore!
Too true.
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Raf,
So you refuse to even TRY adding in the 5th Element?
You wont even address the issue?
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You won't even admit an error is an error? You won't even address them?
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much like you Mike I tried to get pfal to work.
but i knew it wasn't working.
there was no power of God in my life.
there was no promises fulfilled.
there was no abundance of life.
till i learned what the power of God is
and what that abundance really means
and what those promises really are
through much tribulation we will enter the kingdom of Heaven
you are too afraid to face it
you will have to eventually
i am done with you for now
unless i have to say something
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So Mike... are you saying that PFAL is truth?
As opposed to... say... the Bible? Jesus?
I've read a lot of Bible... but I've never read in the Bible that PFAL was truth. Was that lost in one of the translations?
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Tom,
You don’t actually own a Bible.
PFAL teaches you that you actually own a version of a translation of a modern critical text. It’s a good tool for beginners, but by 1985 Dr told us all to switch our mastery efforts to written PFAL.
Did you see the 22 "thus saith the lord" statements earlier in this thread?
That’s where PFAL claims to be God-breathed.
******
Raf,
You wrote: “You won't even admit an error is an error? You won't even address them?”
Correct.
I have my approach and you have yours.
The two approaches are mutually exclusive.
I’ve tried both approaches.
You’ve tried only one.
******
CM,
I’ll sleep tonight assured that you are looking over my welfare.
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Sure I do... several of them... it says so on the cover!
So... these "thus saith the lord" statements... where did they come from?
...besides... I'd wager that you don't own a copy of "original" PFAL either... just a later translation... so what does that mean?
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i doubt it - you only sleep if you think you have won-but you haven't
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aaawww i feel better-put Mike on ignore
it's so good!!!
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from ****
here's the point-
a physical, flesh realm representation of God’s written Word that’s bigger than you, more authoritative than you
there is none
The Lord is Lord and bigger then anything written
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