Thirty years ago after three record cold winters there was talk of us entering a new ice age.
Today its global warming.
Every time there is a new study it proves one way or the other.
The base truth is that we live on a living planet. The climate changes some from time to time. We have had at least two ice ages and thaws without mans influance.
My point is that we have very little true impact.
Species come and go as climate changes and other species thrive and end others.
Give it a rest.
O by the way. Last summer was the coolest summer in Texas that I have ever experienced.
So, if the caps arent melting, then how do we get the salt water that is in the ocean currents. I thought that was apart of the caps melting. I watched a documentary about 5 yrs. ago and it was very explicit.
Yes, I have heard of the Mother Goddess of the earth. another icon to put man below his creation..when we are at the top of the list:)
I just saw that movie on HBO where the erudite scientist warns the world that if they don't immediately sign onto the Kyoto treaty, then we're all in for dire consequences. The vice president of the US snarls his disapproval of the treaty in defense of the rich, greedy capitalists, and suddenly, as a result, the world is quickly plummeted into an ice age caused by global warming.
Belle- If the north ad south pole are shifting, as you mentioned , that would explain the hurricanes and sunamis we have had. The poles are pulled by the moon on a daily bases, thats how we get the tide.
My understanding of the salt in our oceans is a direct effect of the North Pole. It releases salt into the ocean currents that are in constant motion..Have you ever watched the movie Nemo..He hitched a ride on the Austraian current..haha
Actually, global warming, if it were indeed true, wouldn't be a bad thing. CO2 released from fossil fuel burning is wonderful for ecosystems.
During the last Ice Age, CO2 levels fell to less than half of the modern level. They had recovered to .028% by the late 1800s. All our fossil fuel burning has raised the CO2 to a whopping… .038%. But we still have a long way to go to get back to Jurassic levels. Back in the good ol’ days, when the ecosystem was really seething with life, the atmosphere was .3% CO2, about eight times greater than today.
These high CO2 levels made life very easy for plants with the original "C3" photosynthetic system. In addition to their direct CO2 fertilization effect, higher CO2 levels also help in droughts. With enough CO2, C3 plants can close their "stomata" (pores) more, and lose less water.
As CO2 levels fell during the Age of Mammals (and Ice Ages), "C4" plants (e.g., grasses) have tended to gain on older C3 species. Today, it is estimated that the optimum CO2 levels for agricultural productivity in C3 plants (which include wheat and other important crops) would be at least .070%. So we have to at least double the amount of fossil fuel that we have already burned… or more, if we increase the area of Earth that is hospitable to plant life.
Much of the world is desert even today. In fact, there is less total life in the sea than on the much smaller land area of our planet. Most of the ocean is "desert," in the sense of having very low densities of life. This is because most of the ocean suffers from a severe mineral deficiency. Iron is the limiting factor on ocean life over most of the world ocean. A tiny amount of iron will cause a huge increase in plankton growth. If the oceans were privatized, sea farmers would fertilize with iron…. And then we would really need to burn more fossil fuel to supply enough CO2. Fortunately, there's plenty left/
Holy Moley Ron, you've been studying! I didn't think anybody on these forums 'cept Zixar and I knew about C3 and C4 plants!!! Where did you learn all this?
ron- the Age of Mammals and Ice Age are one. The prehistoric animal life that scientist have been discovering are from the 'First Heaven and Earth' the Void period of Genesis, per LCm, WAP class. ugghh. It made alot of sence to me.
It all started with me trying to produce the ultimate home grown tomatoes. I love vegetable gardening and read all I can on the subject of making healthier plants.
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Thirty years ago after three record cold winters there was talk of us entering a new ice age.
Today its global warming.
Every time there is a new study it proves one way or the other.
The base truth is that we live on a living planet. The climate changes some from time to time. We have had at least two ice ages and thaws without mans influance.
My point is that we have very little true impact.
Species come and go as climate changes and other species thrive and end others.
Give it a rest.
O by the way. Last summer was the coolest summer in Texas that I have ever experienced.
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So, if the caps arent melting, then how do we get the salt water that is in the ocean currents. I thought that was apart of the caps melting. I watched a documentary about 5 yrs. ago and it was very explicit.
Yes, I have heard of the Mother Goddess of the earth. another icon to put man below his creation..when we are at the top of the list:)
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Likeaneagle -- You forgot the *great salt shaker* in the sky. ;)
THE great salt shaker, with infinite wisdom
liberally dispensing sodium into the atmosphere, waters,
and marguarita glass rims,
as needed.
But there is an adversary ---
The great Pepper shaker in the sky
Raining Cayenne down, to replace the salt,
Thus the heat, thus the global warming.
The salt hath lost it's savour
A little cayenne, cayenne's the whole earth.
(or so some will say -- these days!)
This makes (almost) as much sense as the claims of global warming (imo).
(and I wuz jest *funnin* there)
But hey -- we all tap into different news sources, eat the banana and throw out the peel, so what do I know?
Lifted -- yessir -- You and I got off on the wrong foot, but thankfully, we both regained our feet. It never hurts to hear opposing opinions.
Hearing the other side is a good thing. Looking at it is better. Mutual info garnered when both sides do the same thing.
(I like looking at the other side ---
gives me a break from my own thoughts
time and again!!)
David
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I just saw that movie on HBO where the erudite scientist warns the world that if they don't immediately sign onto the Kyoto treaty, then we're all in for dire consequences. The vice president of the US snarls his disapproval of the treaty in defense of the rich, greedy capitalists, and suddenly, as a result, the world is quickly plummeted into an ice age caused by global warming.
No political message there folks.
Nope.
Not at all.
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Aren't the caps (and the ice polar packs in general) made of fresh water?
...it's been in the low 80's the last coupld of days here in DFW...
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Belle- If the north ad south pole are shifting, as you mentioned , that would explain the hurricanes and sunamis we have had. The poles are pulled by the moon on a daily bases, thats how we get the tide.
My understanding of the salt in our oceans is a direct effect of the North Pole. It releases salt into the ocean currents that are in constant motion..Have you ever watched the movie Nemo..He hitched a ride on the Austraian current..haha
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Yea, and I'm enjoying it before I have to go back to SD.
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Actually, global warming, if it were indeed true, wouldn't be a bad thing. CO2 released from fossil fuel burning is wonderful for ecosystems.
During the last Ice Age, CO2 levels fell to less than half of the modern level. They had recovered to .028% by the late 1800s. All our fossil fuel burning has raised the CO2 to a whopping… .038%. But we still have a long way to go to get back to Jurassic levels. Back in the good ol’ days, when the ecosystem was really seething with life, the atmosphere was .3% CO2, about eight times greater than today.
These high CO2 levels made life very easy for plants with the original "C3" photosynthetic system. In addition to their direct CO2 fertilization effect, higher CO2 levels also help in droughts. With enough CO2, C3 plants can close their "stomata" (pores) more, and lose less water.
As CO2 levels fell during the Age of Mammals (and Ice Ages), "C4" plants (e.g., grasses) have tended to gain on older C3 species. Today, it is estimated that the optimum CO2 levels for agricultural productivity in C3 plants (which include wheat and other important crops) would be at least .070%. So we have to at least double the amount of fossil fuel that we have already burned… or more, if we increase the area of Earth that is hospitable to plant life.
Much of the world is desert even today. In fact, there is less total life in the sea than on the much smaller land area of our planet. Most of the ocean is "desert," in the sense of having very low densities of life. This is because most of the ocean suffers from a severe mineral deficiency. Iron is the limiting factor on ocean life over most of the world ocean. A tiny amount of iron will cause a huge increase in plankton growth. If the oceans were privatized, sea farmers would fertilize with iron…. And then we would really need to burn more fossil fuel to supply enough CO2. Fortunately, there's plenty left/
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Holy Moley Ron, you've been studying! I didn't think anybody on these forums 'cept Zixar and I knew about C3 and C4 plants!!! Where did you learn all this?
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ron- the Age of Mammals and Ice Age are one. The prehistoric animal life that scientist have been discovering are from the 'First Heaven and Earth' the Void period of Genesis, per LCm, WAP class. ugghh. It made alot of sence to me.
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Exactly true. ;)
All poles used in pole dances,
Are pulled by the moon,
Thus the tide
Of Applause.
(Sudo can probably explain it better!) :D
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Krys.
It all started with me trying to produce the ultimate home grown tomatoes. I love vegetable gardening and read all I can on the subject of making healthier plants.
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