vp and me in Wonderland

[Jim]

Not sure if your "Um, no" refers to his country of origin or not, but there is not, and never was a country called Serbo-Croatia.

I will certainly defer to your knowledge of history and geography here. I was quoting from memory and a quick web reference. Looking at my Tesla books, I see that he was born in Austro-Hungary of the Serbian race. He later moved to Croatia for his secondary school education. This might be why he was referred to as "Serbo-Croatian" and I mistakenly cited it as his homeland.

In any case, since Tesla had immigrated and become a naturalized US citizen by 1891, and as you inferred, Yugoslavia didn't exist until 1918, I don't think it would be correct to say that he was from Yugoslavia.

Edited November 7, 2005 by Jim

[WordWolf]

1980-1981.

========

"Way Corps has increased in size. But the concern is still for the individual."

The concern NEVER was for the individual.

As we saw, the individuals were DISPOSABLE.

With MORE people, they're MORE disposable.

As the next story illustrates.

"Incident of a guy not taking notes during a session in the BRC.

I focus better taking notes.

Many people do.

Many people do NOT.

That's why many sitting of pfal, people were told

"you don't have to take notes"-some people focus better NOT

taking notes.

If the concern was for the INDIVIDUAL,

you'd know it was just as likely.

Dr stopped

Unforgiveable sin-not taking notes on vpw's utterances.

He didn't handle this privately, "of course".

and told him to pack up and go home.

The corps requirements never state notetaking for all teachings is REQUIRED.

Therefore, vpw broke the committment he made with this man when he

so casually kicked him out.

He might well have been FULLY focusing and making sure he caught every word.

But, the concern was NEVER for the individual-

individuals were DISPOSABLE.

The next morning Dr asked LCM to go get the guy and bring him over to the courtyard.

He wants lcm to see this, and he makes lcm the errand-boy for this.

This is going to be another drama.

Dr asked him if he'd ever finished anything in his life before.

He answered that he hadn't.

The guy, who, like most people, completed a normal number of things,

was feeling miserable, having been callously discarded by a man he so

respected. Of COURSE he FEELS like he never finished anything.

However, knowing only that he was in the corps,

we already know he completed

1) Foundational class

2) Intermediate class

3) Home studies

4) Advanced class

Now, already, as the ministry is concerned, he's progressed

nicely. He made it thru the Advanced class plus its requirements.

Depending on his status, he may also have completed the wow program.

This guy finished lots of stuff, but vpw made him feel lower

than the grass.

vpw, obviously, knows this is true for the same reasons you and

I do...

Dr decided to give him a second chance

vpw covered his own error-the casual, tyrranical dismissal-

and gave an excuse

and explained to LCM that if this guy didn't make it through the Corps and

finish it, then his life from here on in would be a wash-out."

All that just so vpw doesn't have to admit that he himself doesn't

know how to LEAD or MANAGE people- only tyrranize.

The man can't admit he's wrong.

"Corps placements-to bless the individual first, then the ministry."

BWAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"Dr tells LCM only to give thanks to God for the honor of getting the presidency.

It's not necessary to thank everyone who helped teach you."

vpw warmed himself at many fires he did not build, and hid the names

of the men he owed great debts to.

He instructs lcm to follow his lead.

lcm wasn't even to thank them privately-apparently,

he just had to forget them.

Edited November 7, 2005 by WordWolf

[Jim]

Tesla had substance and character,

and was an absolute genius with electricity.

I kept getting stuck on whether Edison was the Direct Current

guy and Tesla was the Alternating Current guy,

or vice versa.

A little more amplification on this. Tesla invented and implemented *polyphase* AC power distribution. If you look up at a power pole, at the very top you'll usually see three fat wires. Tesla did that. There are 3 wires for 3 phases of AC. Although house wiring is usually single-phase in the US, virtually all commercial and industrial wiring and long distance power transmission is 3 phase AC. I can't really explain the greatness of 3-phase power distribution except to say that the concept is both brilliant and elegant. It allows the maximum AC power to flow through the minimum amount of cabling and it allows the design of very efficient motors and alternators.

[WordWolf]

"There us no greater sorrow than to hear that a trusted follower no longer walks in the truth.

Incident of the research guy who decided to leave the ministry due to

differences in opinion on the Word. He claimed that the research team

did nothing but kow-tow to Dr- "Yes Men"."

That was at least partly true.

vpw had an interesting definition of "truth", there.

"Dr always strove to have a proper research environment."

Which means what, exactly?

"JCOP book-there was a hardness of attitude in the manuscript, Dr sniffed it out and discovered that it was

due to the guy who had left the team. He had been working extensively on it."

I disagree.

It as a better book than most, since it wasn't just vpw and his xerox machine.

Also,

a hardness of attitude at hq? Who would have guessed?

"R&E is videotaped. Dr came to first session to check out all the details of the class. Dr instructed

the back room staff on how to handle and care for LCM. Dr was crying when the final session came up.

'I feel right now what it says in the gospels- "This day is this scripture fulfilled in your ears." '

It was the greatest compliment that LCM had ever heard."

And one of the more outrageous claims from a man notorious for outrageous claims.

lcm was competent, but strictly AVERAGE at hq.

"Trustee annual meeting in Canada. It takes a lot of work to relax, to do it right. Preparation!"

The one thing the trustees excelled at was these annual meetings in resorts.

How hard they worked to enjoy themselves for us!

"It isn't just the accuracy of the Word that we teach-it's the heart with which we teach it."

And the stone of which that heart is constructed.

[Oakspear]

Comment on the note-taking:

Taking notes was an obsession in Way-world

I was one of those people who could take notes that could be used as a syllabus, but after a few years I had notebook upon notebook that I never looked at.

And what the heck did finishing anything have to do with taking notes?

[oldiesman]

Dr and LCM always fought for people to stay in the Corps.

In my case they didn't.

I don't blame them for dismissing me, but to say they "always" fought for people to stay in is false.

Hey, there's a NEGATIVE about TWI!

[GrouchoMarxJr]

That's a good start oldies...

...

[WordWolf]

"Trustee annual meeting in Canada. It takes a lot of work to relax, to do it right. Preparation!"

Oh, people, if you only knew the sacrifices that were made,

how hard the trustees relaxed for you, it would make you cry.

They had to drag themselves to beautiful vacation spots

and FORCE themselves to relax-all for you.

They would have preferred day-trips locally, but for you,

they endured packing, transit, unpacking,

tourist traps, gourmet dining, and countless of mammon's attractions.

"Exposing yourself to new situations is a habit that leaders should have if they want to remain fluid."

Great as a slogan.

Excellent as a rule of practice.

And, naturally, ignored by lcm once he was done with "writing" this book.

"You find out where people's hearts are at when you reprove them. It's easy to get along when everyone

is nice. It doesn't matter who handles the matter so long as it gets handled."

"Reprove", in this instance, means "scream at them because they displeased you."

"Dr was always humble enough to be bold. Incident of correcting Bob Richards the olympic athlete who

came to speak at Emporia. He was using words inaccurately, e.g. 'create', 'possess', etc."

They spoke of the incident years later.

vpw was a show-off that insisted that HIS usages of words was the SOLE correct one.

If one wanted to be picky, 'create' might be dispensed with,

but his insistence that the word "possess" was inappropriate for anything

other than cases of demonic possession was silly and ignores how we got

the term 'demonic possession' in the first place.

The guy spoke of resources they were in command and authority over,

and he said they 'possessed' them.

vpw "corrected" him for using the term correctly.

It's as smart as "correcting" someone for referring to someone

stingy and miserly as acting "niggardly" because they don't like the term "nigger".

But the 2 terms have NOTHING to do with each other.

Objecting based on the sounds of words and whether you LIKE them

is not a valid objection-to most people who communicate intelligently

and have a standard, at any rate.

"Dr always did it with love and diplomacy."

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!

"Dr said 'If it wasn't for the hope of the return, I couldn't take the pressure.' "

*begins playing violin music in the background*

WHAT pressure?

He was doing the work he SUPPOSEDLY loved, which we loved-

studying and teaching the Bible!

He was being paid HANDSOMELY for it!

He set his own work-schedule and hours!

He had EVERY luxury he wanted!

He had a wife who loved him,

and the respect and adoration of thousands,

if not TENS of thousands!

Anytime he wanted, he could have travelled-in style-

anywhere in the US and had locals treat him like a

visitor of state!

WHAT pressure?

The pressure to STOP sinning when no one was looking?

The pressure to STOP feeding his vices of drink and tobacco?

The pressure to conform to the image he manufactured for himself?

The pressure to-just once- act like the man he knew himself to be?

I say to this man,

"F* you, AND the motorcycle you rode in on!!!!!"

"'Athletes of the Spirit' production. Dr called it a 'Masterful' production."

And didn't he live to regret THOSE words....

[WordWolf]

"Emotions have never ruled Dr's logic. His emotions have supported it."

Bull.

vpw did whatever he wanted and later labelled it with a spiritual name.

lcm absorbed that lesson and used it without ever naming it.

That's why HE would scream and vent when angry,

and call it "spiritual anger."

That was vpw distilled to his basic essence-

I do what I want

If I'm angry, I take it out on everyone

I always label my actions correct and holy/spiritual

"Incident of a press conference. Reporters show up improperly dressed for the event. Dr reproves

them for being so casual and disrespectful to him.

As a head of a large corporation, he should be treated more respectfully."

As a major twit, he didn't know any better.

Reporters can't be told how to dress by the people they visit-

unless the dress code is a pre-requisite to entering the location.

If vpw was holding a black-tie event, and issued RSVPs to the

reporters, and they showed without jacket-and-tie

(or equivalent for the female reporters),

THAT would be a different story.

Just because he felt like he was the US President didn't mean

they had to TREAT him like he was.

He should have been thankful they showed up at all.

He was hardly the head of "a large corporation".

He was a church leader (supposedly).

And, since he started off by telling the reporters how to do

their jobs (which he was not qualified to do),

he further established himself as a 'major dipstick'

in charge of a church.

Do we have a reporter here who can explain-CORRECTLY-

how these things are done?

"Dr and Mrs W moved into the chalet for two weeks to work out the bugs and tenderize the place.

Ok, I can understand giving a place a field run/ shakedown, and finding what needs

fixing. Makes sense.

LCM was at the Indiana Campus when he heard that he would be living there. Dr decided that

LCM and Donna should not have to have another couple live with them. They needed their

privacy, a place to relax."

And all the years of promises to the corps and way builders were shown

to be meaningless. vpw was not a gentleman, and did NOT live up to his

promises AS a gentleman.

He decided what he wanted, and others had to go along,

and if he broke his word of honour in the process, what of it?

He was neither faithful in that which was LEAST nor that which was MOST.

"Honour is a mere escutcheon

And so ends my catechism."- Falstaff (the rogue and thief of Shakespeare's books.)

"Dr was able to argue with people without holding grudges."

I wouldn't be willing to bet money on THAT one.

He wasn't even willing to ARGUE with people.

Obey or else!

"Dr always taught at the point of violation. The [athletic] conference got side-tracked into the more

practical stuff like how to throw a ball. Dr reproved LCM and told him to get it back to the Word.

You can learn that stuff anywhere. Here we teach the Word!"

They needed to be TOLD this?

We're missing something-they couldn't have been THAT stupid...

"Honesty, heart, frankness, truth were all attributes of Dr Wierwilles."

I shall call you 'Rug', for you lie like one.

"A leader has to be able to carry the heart of the ministry.

A leader gives people his life."

Sure would have been nice if he'd LIVED it more

and SAID it less...

"LCM never forgot who taught him the Word.

I thought he wasn't supposed to remember them all-

that came up at his inauguration or something.

Oh-

that meant

"remember vpw and forget everyone else."

Silly of me.

It's that humbleness that helps keep a man's equilibrium."

And its absence that set lcm up for a destruction and a fall.

"It's wonderful what happens to people when you threaten to take their money away."

Yes-

they demand oaths of allegiance and fire people who don't make them!

"We teach the Word for free because we love to."

"Free", of course, means

"10% of your income,

plus whatever else we can talk you into sharing,

plus our tapes and magazines are priced RETAIL to earn a profit,

plus our events are priced RETAIL to earn a profit,

plus our classes are priced RETAIL to earn a profit."

It sure cost a lot of money to "hear the Word for free."

Some people in here paid over 10,000 in one year to "hear the Word for free."

Edited November 8, 2005 by WordWolf

[Raf]

Donald Trump: Jeans and sneakers.

Jeb Bush: Jeans and sneakers.

Al Gore: Jeans and sneakers.

VP Wierwille: he's lucky the reporters even showed up.

[Oakspear]

"Dr was always humble enough to be bold. Incident of correcting Bob Richards the olympic athlete who came to speak at Emporia. He was using words inaccurately, e.g. 'create', 'possess', etc."

They spoke of the incident years later.

vpw was a show-off that insisted that HIS usages of words was the SOLE correct one.

If one wanted to be picky, 'create' might be dispensed with,

but his insistence that the word "possess" was inappropriate for anything

other than cases of demonic possession was silly and ignores how we got

the term 'demonic possession' in the first place.

The guy spoke of resources they were in command and authority over,

and he said they 'possessed' them.

vpw "corrected" him for using the term correctly.

This kind of crap used to annoy the heck out of me. Even if we stipulate that barah (translated "create" in Genesis) can only mean "to make something out of nothing", the English word "create" has a much broader meaning:

Main Entry: 1cre·ate

Pronunciation: krE-'At, 'krE-"

Function: verb

Inflected Form(s): cre·at·ed; cre·at·ing

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin creatus, past participle of creare; akin to Latin crescere to grow -- more at CRESCENT

transitive senses

1 : to bring into existence <God created the heaven and the earth -- Gen 1:1 (Authorized Version)>

2 a : to invest with a new form, office, or rank <was created a lieutenant> b : to produce or bring about by a course of action or behavior <her arrival created a terrible fuss> <create new jobs>

3 : CAUSE, OCCASION <famine creates high food prices>

4 a : to produce through imaginative skill <create a painting> b : DESIGN <creates dresses>

intransitive senses : to make or bring into existence something new

...and even keeping to biblical usage, possess is used in ways other than demon possession - doesn't Melchizedek refer to Abraham's God as the posesser of heaven and earth?

Humble enough to be bold?

[WordWolf]

Always be a student if you are going to be a real leader."

Another good idea that would have been nice in practice.

"Dr said that he had extended himself in Living Victoriously more than he had ever done.

'A man could work 5-6 hours of solid teaching out of every hour of them.' "

I'll buy that it was the first time he had to teach on his OWN and

not just cut-and-paste someone else's book.

So, he had worked harder than he ever had.

The "5-6 hours" thing is no more true for that than it is for any other

subject by any writer.

"Dr had a special respect for his family and for his background.

The Wierwille family must stand if the Word is to live."

Okay then...since there are a few measly Wierwilles still "standing", is the Word living? :blink:

This one always got me. He had respect for his family and his background, but all of us were to treat our own families and backgrounds as if they were of no importance.

So Wierwille didn't think the guy had humility, so he wouldn't treat him with the respect a federal judge might expect, but he was willing to use the man to prop up his little cult?

[WordWolf]

"Basic standard time was set up for SNS teachings. LCM had taught for 2 hours straight one night and

Dr went backstage to reprove him-too long for people to sit through. Too long for a SNS tape.

New standard was

everyone had 45 minutes,

LCM had one hour."

As usual, one "standard" for most people,

and another "standard" for the top.

"Uncle Harry Day was changed to 'Burn the Chaff' day. Dr was concerned that, over the years,

as more of the ministry's leadership, founders, trustees and so on died, the tendency would be to

recognize them with a special day like Uncle Harry Day. Within a generation, you would end up with

nothing more than a mirror image of the RC days for saints, etc. No heart, just bondage and

religious observation of the day."

Which, of course, raises the question-

'Why was a day named after a person to begin with?'

"Incident of the Federal judge that took the class. Dr recommended that he be put on mainstage at

the ROA to speak to the audience. Dr didn't think that he deserved to be put in stage as he had little

or no humility. But Dr felt that it would be a major feather in the cap to have a man of such stature in our

ministry. Dr was always thinking of the furtherance of the ministry and consequently the Word."

So Wierwille didn't think the guy had humility, so he wouldn't treat him with the respect a federal judge might expect, but he was willing to use the man to prop up his little cult?

[WordWolf]

"Dr was very vulnerable regarding his eye and the fact that he might have to be operated on.

He never thought that he'd ever have surgery in his whole life."

"' I've never had a headache in my whole life, never taken an aspirin in my life and now all this

happens to me.' "

"What went through Dr's mind was the standard in the Old Testament that a priest who was maimed

or deformed could no longer offer sacrifice to God."

Bulls Hit. Never taken an aspirin in his whole life???

Not for a second do I believe that whopper.

[WordWolf]

"Tony Collins-New England Patriots- WOW pin. LCM was unsure as to whether he should go to New

England in advance of the ROA to give him a WOW pin. All the local leadership were against it.

They thought that it was being a "RESPECTER OF PERSONS".

After talking it over with Dr, he decided to do it as it would further the ministry."

What went on here? Why did Tony Collins get a WOW pin?

I was there at that Massachusetts limb meeting when they gave Tony Collins a wow pin. They also brought Joyful noise in and made a big deal that Tony was getting this pin.

Being a "Respecter of persons" is exactly what I was thinking at the time.

Oakspear said;

"What went on here? Why did Tony Collins get a WOW pin?"

I was told he did some kind of "special athletic wow program", because he was a pro football player and could not take time off from the season they made a special exception for him. Wasn't that special! <_<

I wondered back then and still do, exactly what he did as a special wow. Can you say "Respecter of Persons"?

Oh but it helped further the ministy.

Sounds like kissing up to the celebrity to me <_<

[Oakspear]

Just because he felt like he was the US President didn't mean

they had to TREAT him like he was.

He should have been thankful they showed up at all.

He was hardly the head of "a large corporation".

He was a church leader (supposedly).

And, since he started off by telling the reporters how to do

their jobs (which he was not qualified to do),

he further established himself as a 'major dipstick'

in charge of a church.

There was more "protocol" in TWI that no one else in the world ever heard about. It took me a while being "out" before I realized that most of it was fabricated by Wierwille, or that he had taken old ciustoms and tried to apply them to the present day.

"Basic standard time was set up for SNS teachings. LCM had taught for 2 hours straight one night and

Dr went backstage to reprove him-too long for people to sit through. Too long for a SNS tape. New standard was everyone had 45 minutes, LCM had one hour."

Even though Martindale was generally full of himself and full of crap -_- he was more often than not entertaining and could hold your interest. Maybe all the yelling stimulated the fight or flight response and we were all overdosing on adrenaline :lol: Some TWI teachers could put you to sleep in minutes.

What I'm seeing here is a lot of the things that Wierwille apologists and those nostalgic for the "good ol' days" claimed was never taught. Things that are not in PFAL, or any of the books, were taught regularly by Wierwille, and Martindale documented them.

[WordWolf]

June 6th 1984- 40 years since D-Day, Normandy Beach

=================

"Verville, France is in Omaha Beach in Normandy, France."

"Devil spirits worked on both sides during the war. Churchill and Roosevelt sold out to Stalin."

Got proof of this, or just pulled it out of the air?

"Dr complimented LCM-'What you are doing with the spirit realm is documenting it right out of the Word!' "

Don't blink.

You just missed vpw admit he taught the holy spirit field without documenting it from the Word

FIRST.

That's because he just parroted from Leonard, Stiles, and so on.

That's the only reason to be surprised someone ELSE did it.

Furthermore,

we've seen lcm in action.

He didn't 'document' diddly about 'the spirit realm'.

"Dr made a statement that he didn't believe that there was a man alive in the Way Ministry that was

capable of handling the Book of Revelation. 'Prophecy doesn't come clear until the time of its unveiling.' "

Well,

there goes that bald statement made in pfal-which was NEVER followed

up on-that the Book of Revelation wasn't difficult.

Apparently, it was made just to make us think vpw was smart

enough to understand it HIMSELF,

but, as we see,

he didnt understand it either,

so he was lying thru his teeth.

(Does this qualify as 'news'?)

"Dr told LCM that he believed that LCM had the finest knowledge of the spirit realm of anyone on the face

of the Earth."

AHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!

Rug.

"Dr also said of LCM that one of the points that always stuck out in his mind regarding LCM was that

LCM never forgot who taught him the Word."

So much for "I have no friends when it comes to God's Word"...

[Jbarrax]

This is good stuff Worldwolf. It's enlightening to see the propaganda compared to the reality so thoroughly. The conflicting remarks about Revelation are especially interesting. So much for the Word interpreting itself huh?

JerryB

[Thomas Loy Bumgarner]

Come on ww, tell us what you really think. Don't hold anything back.

[WordWolf]

"Dr said of Donna, 'You married yourself a hell of a woman! Her heart perception with people is

second to none.'"

Well,

her perception of SOMETHING, I believe, has been demonstrated.

Bank-robber Willie Sutton was asked once why he robbed banks.

His answer (supposedly) was "because that's where the MONEY is."

As we saw in this thread,

Donna and Craig barely knew each other before lcm decided to

get married, then vpw found her for him, and told her that lcm's

star was going to rise high in twi.

After this conversation, she was willing to marry a man she

barely knew.

What wa$ the rea$on for thi$? It doe$n't make much $en$e

from a $piritual, Biblical per$pective...

After that, the entire run of the marriage seems to have

looked artificial and contrived. Some people have criticized

political figures for having marriages that have appeared

that way at times-but they're supposed to be in politics,

and that makes sense in a realpolitik way.

For supposed leaders in Christian circles, they are supposed

to be blameless, beyond reproach and set the example,

not play political...

oh, heck, is this news to anyone?

It was a political decision on her part, and a superficial

one on his part. (Moggie says marry her, ok, I marry her...)

Her political acumen has served her well.

With 95% of the ministry having left or been kicked out,

she's managed to live in comfort and luxury.

All it took was the choice to serve mammon over God,

and the following of the political winds,

and playing the game.

Anyone wondering why she's not in the spotlight?

You can do more manipulation and politicking

from the shadows....

"We have perhaps more knowledge of the spirit field than even the Apostle Paul had.

We have the full benefits of the Epistles, etc."

Took him long enough to make this claim.

We were better than any Christians LIVING,

and now we were better than any Christians who EVER lived.

vpw thought of himself as greater than the Apostle Paul.

You KNOW his criteria for greatness was "knowledge", after all.

"Dr used to say that the worst thing you can do to him after he teaches is come up to him and

ask a Bible question."

WHY?

The only reason that makes sense is the famous

"If you can teach until they have no questions, you did a good job",

but that's not the answer.

They may have a question that went in another direction than you taught.

Me,

whenever I was done teaching the Bible,

I was FINE with questions.

Still AM.

Usually that's a GOOD time-especially when everything's fresh to mind

for everyone.

The only other reason I can see would be

"I have made my speech, peasant. Trouble me not with your

senseless prattle."

What the f---?

He just taught the bible

...and the worst thing that you can do is ask a bible question?

I guess what he really wanted is adulation.

I recall asking a Way Corps woman some questions after a teaching, her husband reproved me for it, using this VP & me example

Edited November 11, 2005 by WordWolf

[jkboehme]

Regarding Donna Martindale:

Well,

her perception of SOMETHING, I believe, has been demonstrated.

Bank-robber Willie Sutton was asked once why he robbed banks.

His answer (supposedly) was "because that's where the MONEY is."

As we saw in this thread,

Donna and Craig barely knew each other before lcm decided to

get married, then vpw found her for him, and told her that lcm's

star was going to rise high in twi.

After this conversation, she was willing to marry a man she

barely knew.

What wa$ the rea$on for thi$? It doe$n't make much $en$e

from a $piritual, Biblical per$pective...

After that, the entire run of the marriage seems to have

looked artificial and contrived. Some people have criticized

political figures for having marriages that have appeared

that way at times-but they're supposed to be in politics,

and that makes sense in a realpolitik way.

For supposed leaders in Christian circles, they are supposed

to be blameless, beyond reproach and set the example,

not play political...

oh, heck, is this news to anyone?

It was a political decision on her part, and a superficial

one on his part. (Moggie says marry her, ok, I marry her...)

Her political acumen has served her well.

With 95% of the ministry having left or been kicked out,

she's managed to live in comfort and luxury.

All it took was the choice to serve mammon over God,

and the following of the political winds,

and playing the game.

Anyone wondering why she's not in the spotlight?

You can do more manipulation and politicking

from the shadows....

_________________________

Innies have reported that Donna's salary as Director of Guest Services was significantly higher than that of BOT member, John Reynolds, when he was on on the BOT as Sec-Treas. Her salary may have also exceeded that of the then VP. Only rosie's salary was higher. When Reynolds discovered this, he was less than pleased. Did this favoratism of Donna by rivenbarf, with Reynolds criticism of the same, lead to his banishment from the BOTs?

By the way, when was the divorce between Donna & lcm finalized?

]

[excathedra]

oh are they divorced ?

been told by a couple of folks this is a great thread

haven't been able to get past page one

i know i'm frucke dup

[Jim]

Only rosie's salary was higher. When Reynolds discovered this, he was less than pleased. Did this favoratism of Donna by rivenbarf, with Reynolds criticism of the same, lead to his banishment from the BOTs?

Umm, I'll guess that it couldn't have helped...

[WordWolf]

Regarding Donna Martindale:

Innies have reported that Donna's salary as Director of Guest Services was significantly higher than that of BOT member, John Reynolds, when he was on on the BOT as Sec-Treas. Her salary may have also exceeded that of the then VP. Only rosie's salary was higher. When Reynolds discovered this, he was less than pleased. Did this favoritism of Donna by rivenbarf, with Reynolds criticism of the same, lead to his banishment from the BOTs?

By the way, when was the divorce between Donna & lcm finalized?

I'm not up on news,

but, last I heard,

no actual divorce ever went thru.

However, I REALLY thought your other comment bore repeating. :)

I imagine it chafed him.

Reynolds was prominently a BOT/BOD member who didn't insist on

all the perks of office that Rozilla and Donna get (private house and staff, etc.)

Hearing a non-BOD member was being catered to probably didn't sit so well.

[WordWolf]

"You don't have great perception if you're caustic and critical and always looking for errors.

You have got to act with love."

"Caustic, critical, always looking for errors"

pretty much describes lcm's despotic reign in the 1990s.

"Incident of Way Corps going home after Corps Week but prior to the ROA.

Corps Week was when the Corps got together,

and was when the Corps did the set-up and assembly of all the physical details

needed for the ROA.

(Setting up Registration, the tents, Family Tables, food stands...)

So, these Corps did setup and met together, then went home.

They worked for free for the week preceding ROA.

Dr heard about it and reproved everyone in the corps household for the problem, for not helping to put it on.

Setting up all that stuff doesn't count as "helping to put it on"?

That was a week's free labour!

"Reproved" them?

He should have THANKED them for the free labour!

After all,

there WAS an admission, we DID PAY for setup,

so things COULD have been done with local workers,

providing work for labourers locally.

Of course, that would mean vpw would have to accept

seeing money exit.

He reminded everyone of the commitments that they had made regarding a lifetime of Christian

service.

They served a week of hard labour. What about that?

Further, when did "a lifetime of Christian service"

become synonymous with

"involuntary servitude for life at the whims of twi"?

I don't remember MANDATORY ROA attendance

being required in the corps signups-did anyone sign such a document?

Every corps person needs to plan ahead one year or more so that they can be a part of

these events. They need to be able to be a part of ROA and corps fellowship."

It occasionally came as a surprise to those people who never actually

WORKED for a living

(vpw went straight from school into pastoring,

lcm went straight from school into the way corps),

but REAL jobs have REQUIREMENTS and RESPONSIBILITIES.

All these people made arrangements for a VACATION WEEK from work

(for some of them, this was their ONLY vacation, or was unpaid leave),

paid to travel to hq on their own from all over the country,

and WORKED for a week, unpaid.

Now you have the nerve to say

"Not good enough-work MORE for free!"

NO!

These people have families to support, jobs to perform, and lives to maintain.

If they leave, it's because they HAVE to, not because they WANT to, simp!

At the very least, you owed them profound thanks.

To insult them after they worked for free

is lacking in character, lacking in integrity,

and lacking in Christian values.

So, to you who said this, I say

"F* you, AND the motorcycle you rode in on!!!!"

Or,

as Andy Kaufman once said,

" You, sir,

are a f*ing @$$h*,

a F*ing @$$h*,

a F*ING @$$H*!!!! "

"Dr had many ideas for Gunnison. A Gondola to the top of the mountain, a riverside restaurant, private

homes, a recreation area. Utilize what you have!"

He probably had plans for an entire Ewok village in the trees,

and a 4-star resort on grounds, as well.

This is one of the reasons 'Uncle Harry' was important.

He would tell vpw outright when something was unfeasable and stupid.

Hm.

"Private homes."

Someone mentioned (on this thread or another?)

that vpw had invited people to build their own private homes

on the grounds, with their own money,

and live in them,

but with the proviso that the homes were twi property

and reverted to twi ownership with their death.

Seems most people were too savvy to agree to

build $200,000 homes from the ground up,

only to deed them over to someone else eventually.

If slick vic could have talked them into this,

he would have. I forget who lost their house

in EXACTLY this way.

(Actually, they lost "their" house when they left

and got no money for it, so it's APPROXIMATELY

this way.)

"LCM-

'If my life can have a fraction of the meaning to someone else, as his was to mine, it will have

been worth it."

I think that's the one thing lcm can rely on.

His life's been a fraction of what vpw's life was to people.

(the end)

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Ok,

thoughts, people?

We're into the "casual ruminations and musings"

portion of tonight's show....

Edited November 12, 2005 by WordWolf