i always enjoy doodling in your sand with you, friend
something to think about...i wonder...have you ever considered how your (and anyone's) scriptural toy models might not only potentially apply to the collective outer world, but apply equally (in a parallel sense) to each and every individual as well? and then also able to be applied to both the inner and outer views of both individual and collective?
i think they can be. which is a highly useful but more or less neutral mindset, and already always available (though it might take a bit of practice to get one's footing). because it allows us a basic four primary perspectives with which to view things in general. even as it pertains to the mysteries and metaphors and patterns of old scriptures and wisdom traditions. A more aperspectival cardinal orientation, if you will, marked by the number four in myth and metaphor.
maybe take into account how "above and below the firmament" of Genesis has been described as that primary wall between inner and outer perspectives (rather than a planetary earth versus outer space thing)
and how Christ seemed to speak of an actual unity (in body and soul and spirit) about as much as he spoke of a sense of God-given precious individual freedom and responsibility (also, in body and soul and spirit)
and how that rainbowish template/logos of Christ might not only be the template of wholeness for individual body, soul and spirit...but could also be the same rainbowish template/logos for our collective wholeness as well (as a greater template, being massively made up of ALL those individual Christs within, so that it also grows through the very same stages, only much much slower over anthropological time)
also, how some traditions may describe the same division of body soul spirit in other words, but further describe them as sheaths within sheaths within sheathes we must learn to shed (like putting off old garments) and renew (putting on new garments)
i also think of this in terms of spiritual birth (like "shedding" of the womb, or placenta) or spiritual circumcision, or any layers of things in life meant to be destroyed so we can be reborn into something new (which is the nature of Christ as offspring...newness)
and then add, how this unfolding might happen both above and below "the firmament," and in each of our individual lives, in the same manner as it does in the overall one body of Christ
- individual physical body in outer world
- individual soul/spirit in inner world
- collective inner soul/spirit world
- collective physical world
of course, of all of them, it seems the inner world is the most overlooked, especially the nature and reality of a subtler collective interior. I mean, if this place "exists," can you imagine what it might look like? Like a glittering organic temple of many many many pillars and mansions, or some such thing. Historically, it seems that quite a few monastic types have described actually seeing such a vast place. They use different language, but the "drawings" are the same. And often times it hangs from above (being the opposite of earth, which grows upward from below), which is akin to that new Jerusalem John finally saw in the end of the book of rev
anyway, and i know its quite a complex structure to visualize
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hi Roy
i always enjoy doodling in your sand with you, friend
something to think about...i wonder...have you ever considered how your (and anyone's) scriptural toy models might not only potentially apply to the collective outer world, but apply equally (in a parallel sense) to each and every individual as well? and then also able to be applied to both the inner and outer views of both individual and collective?
i think they can be. which is a highly useful but more or less neutral mindset, and already always available (though it might take a bit of practice to get one's footing). because it allows us a basic four primary perspectives with which to view things in general. even as it pertains to the mysteries and metaphors and patterns of old scriptures and wisdom traditions. A more aperspectival cardinal orientation, if you will, marked by the number four in myth and metaphor.
maybe take into account how "above and below the firmament" of Genesis has been described as that primary wall between inner and outer perspectives (rather than a planetary earth versus outer space thing)
and how Christ seemed to speak of an actual unity (in body and soul and spirit) about as much as he spoke of a sense of God-given precious individual freedom and responsibility (also, in body and soul and spirit)
and how that rainbowish template/logos of Christ might not only be the template of wholeness for individual body, soul and spirit...but could also be the same rainbowish template/logos for our collective wholeness as well (as a greater template, being massively made up of ALL those individual Christs within, so that it also grows through the very same stages, only much much slower over anthropological time)
also, how some traditions may describe the same division of body soul spirit in other words, but further describe them as sheaths within sheaths within sheathes we must learn to shed (like putting off old garments) and renew (putting on new garments)
i also think of this in terms of spiritual birth (like "shedding" of the womb, or placenta) or spiritual circumcision, or any layers of things in life meant to be destroyed so we can be reborn into something new (which is the nature of Christ as offspring...newness)
and then add, how this unfolding might happen both above and below "the firmament," and in each of our individual lives, in the same manner as it does in the overall one body of Christ
- individual physical body in outer world
- individual soul/spirit in inner world
- collective inner soul/spirit world
- collective physical world
of course, of all of them, it seems the inner world is the most overlooked, especially the nature and reality of a subtler collective interior. I mean, if this place "exists," can you imagine what it might look like? Like a glittering organic temple of many many many pillars and mansions, or some such thing. Historically, it seems that quite a few monastic types have described actually seeing such a vast place. They use different language, but the "drawings" are the same. And often times it hangs from above (being the opposite of earth, which grows upward from below), which is akin to that new Jerusalem John finally saw in the end of the book of rev
anyway, and i know its quite a complex structure to visualize
but i thought you might appreciate it
maybe chew slowly, i guess
doodle it out in the sand a bit
see if you recognize anything familiar
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Beloved Todd
God bless your outer heart and inner heart
Yes at times I think about the many layers of truth there is but have to got a clear enought picture in my head or heart to share yet
now I love your writting on these boards because you seem to get me to think and learn
thanks
with love and a holy kiss blowing your way Roy
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