Ok, since this IS predictable, AND SSDD, let's take a look at why
EACH and EVERY comment is WRONG-but may convince a teenager lacking
experience (which has long been a tactic of twi-fool the young and gullible.)
quote:
I just had an internet conversation with some Way teens. First they deny every claim I make.
twi tactic one: "First of all, it never happened."
This was VERY successful before the internet, and they were able to bury the
bodies and they STAYED buried.
They are LESS successful now for that reason.
They still work part of the time because some people are UNABLE or UNWILLING
to look up the truth, thus enabling themselves to think twi isn't lying.
Of course, there are also people who straight-out call all the people who come
forth "liars", which helps twi in this goal.
Belle has already said in reply:
"I asked them how they could say they never had a policy on debt when people
were kicked out for not selling their homes. They said I was lying-not one
person was kicked out for that. When I gave them examples, they started
backtracking and making excuses also."
quote:
Then when I prove them wrong I am told to look at the big picture not the "one" scandal that happened 6 years ago.
Of course, they have no idea that there's been MUCH evil-doing, and many acts
that destroyed lives. MANY have come to light-how many have NOT?
Belle already said
"My ex always says that 'the ministry would be perfect if it weren't for
people.' He says people aren't perfect and we can't chuck the whole ministry
just because of one person. They justn don't see that it's wayyy more than pne
person and that it's the whole system that's corrupt, evil and
destructive. 'Tis sad, really."
quote:
my experiences were taught, not real.
What the HECK does THAT mean?
Belle already said
"Then out of the other side of their mouth they say no one can argue with your
experience when you're witnessing or speaking of TWI's 'blessings'. -->
quote:
Even tho VPW plagiarized, they're glad he did.
Belle:
"Do they, then, think it's ok to plagiarize their school papers? They don't
care that he was a thief and a liar???"
Actually, Belle,
it's part of the "Well, the ONLY place to get "Teh Tr00th" is twi" thinking.
This is OBVIOUSLY wrong because
A) LOTS of ex-twi teach most of the same thing
B) if vpw ripped it off another source, THE OTHER SOURCE HAS THE TRUTH!
quote:
I was rebuked in the name of JC to stop posting. I refused to stop and pointed out the failed rebuking. No reply.
quote:
I was called a liar.
Standard tactic. Anyone who says what we don't want to hear is LYING. TWI
uses it all the time. Some other people also use it ALL THE TIME.
Belle said
"A liar just because you speak against TWI? Yeah, that makes sense. I see they
still have the elitist attitude. Not surprising.
quote:
Told anyone who speaks against the Way doesn't believe the word.
As if they ALWAYS speak the truth,
and ONLY they speak the truth.
Whenever ANY prophet of the LORD warned against Israel or its leaders, this was
almost certainly the SAME attitude used then.
quote:
Told I had NO RIGHT to speak against twi.
A prophet was REQUIRED to speak against the KING of ISRAEL AND ALL THE PEOPLE
if they were wrong.
quote:
I was told that I "look poor" (they have my picture) and that I am overweight because I left The Way.
Well, so much for the "do not be deceived by the 5 senses" thing.
Apparently, twi's still big on jettisoning the people who are not
financially well-off, and not attracting the broke.
"God's Word is only for the middle class." lcm was caught saying that out
loud a number of times, and MANY things were told by MANY people to the
same effect.
"Overweight because you left the way." So, all the fat people have been kicked
out when I wasn't looking?
Reminds me what one guy said about the young.
"People in their 20s don't know anything.
The ONE thing people in their 20s are good at, is looking better than people
in their 30s and 40s."
So, the same people, if STILL in twi in their 40s, have
"middle-aged spread" to look forward to,
'and I don't care if you pray or don't pray'.
Belle also pointed out
"Looks can be decieving. You have more money than they do and most likely have
100x more savings and future security than they do unless they are kids of the
almighty BOD or the president's lover. Did they say how much happier and more
peaceful that you look? Did they notice that you look more content and
satisfied with life?
If you've gained weight since leaving TWI, it's because you no longer have to
spend all your time jumping through their hoops and you're able to really
enjoy your food and afford GOOD food now!"
quote:
Was told "no one wants to hear this"
Truth is NOT determined by "how much do people want to hear this"
quote:
Was told that TWI had to reduce membership in order to keep an eye on people.
Belle said
"What happened to Rise and Expansion??
'In order to keep an eye on people?' So they ADMIT that they micro-manage
people's lives now? They admit they stick their nose where it doesn't belong?
Well, that's a start, I guess. Now if they'll just tell people upfront that
they're going to do that instead of waiting till after they've
'taken the class'.
quote:
Was told Mark and Avoid didn't exist.
Belle:
"Then HOW DID THEY REDUCE THEIR NUMBERS? BY LOTTERY?"
quote:
Was told that being critical of TWI was proof that I didn't believe in God's word. Then , I watched the same people be critical of the Catholic Church. When I pointed out the hypocrisy, they told me that I keep concentrating on the negative.
Belle:
"Change the subject when you are shown to be wrong. Yeppers! Those kids have
learned very well from their parents' examples.
quote:
I was told that people who leave TWI have streaks of bad luck. I told them that didn't happen to me. They said "Yeah but what good have you done?" As if my life were a waste.
Belle:
"And nothing bad has EVER happened in their lives? How do they know that people
who leave TWI have "streaks of bad luck"? Have they talked to people who have
left TWI or are they just believing yet another set of lies fed to them by
adults who are supposed to be teaching them truth?
Besides that...what the H#ll are they doing using the word 'luck'????"
To which I add
If you are doing ANYTHING outside twi, to them it's a waste, even if you
develop cold fusion and end world hunger.
quote:
I was told I do not believe The Word.
As if twi is the sole arbiter of what that IS and is NOT.
quote:
They told me arguing is devilish, even as they argue with me.
They haven't been introduced to the concepts
"hypocrisy" or "irony" yet.
quote:
They also told me gay people cannot be saved!
Hebrews 7:25.
"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God
by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
So much for Hebrews 7:25.
Amazing how they supposedly care about the Bible, but can miss something
so unambiguous in the version they themselves use....
Come to think of it, what were TWI teens doing on the internet? Doesn't the internet belong to the devil, since Satan is the prince of the power of the air?
As if twi is the sole arbiter of what that IS and is NOT.
But that is so much of The Way's problem; they really do believe they are the sole arbiter and interpreter of God's word and will. And they inculcate this belief in their "disciples".
That's why I'm not surprised at the responses Georgio got from the Way teens - because it's a heady thing to be plugged into the source for "all truth", to have a ready pat answer for all of life's ills and gray areas, to have access to the inner sanctum secrets.
I simply hope they won't get hurt too badly before they decide God and the world are
As if twi is the sole arbiter of what that IS and is NOT.
But that is so much of The Way's problem; they really do believe they are the sole arbiter and interpreter of God's word and will. And they inculcate this belief in their "disciples".
That's why I'm not surprised at the responses Georgio got from the Way teens - because it's a heady thing to be plugged into the source for "all truth", to have a ready pat answer for all of life's ills and gray areas, to have access to the inner sanctum secrets.
I simply hope they won't get hurt too badly before they decide God and the world are bigger than the Way International.
I agree, Kevlar.
The one thing I'm surprised about is that he found enough teenagers in twi
currently to have a conversation with several.
Perhaps it was just the presidential cabinet, online pretending to be
teenagers. After all, we know some criminals pretend to be teenagers online...
Interesting! I just deleted my first post becuse it got sent before I completed my thought, and Rascal came up almost verbatim with what I was going to say!
With that kind of logic, they should be "glad" that others have split from twi and run their own pfal-versionized classes. Then others too can hear scriptures, receive salvation and walk with power from on high.
Or, are they simply talking out of boths sides of their mouth.....falling head-first into idolatry of man? Long live the lordship of wierwille?
These teenagers NEED to expose themselves to more life....outside the confines of waybrained propaganda.
What the HECK happened to THEM in childhood that this is acceptable?/QUOTE
I know what happened to these kids. They have had to perform for their parents approval and love all their lives. They have been instilled since they learned how to crawl with fear of disobedience because of the pain involved.
As teens, if they disobey their parents they are worthy of death and could be kicked to the curb. They have had few friends, many friends left abruptly because their parents were possessed.
The world out side TWI has been painted as being even more black and more painful than what they have already seen of life.
Their lives and view points have been carefully boxed by their parents, who are terrified of having their child outside the household.
At the same time they are filled with relief and self righteousness because They are of the only true household of God with the truth in the world--and don't you dare ever leave it!
Then TRASHED by leadership for doing what the same leadership told them to do.
What kind of lesson was taught to my late husband's neices and nephews when their wonderful uncle died while following TWI's instruction of "believing God" instead of seeking medical help.
What lesson did they learn when leadership trashed his name, his family, his wife, his children? Did they get it that they were a part of that family they trashed?
But of course they'd not admit to hearing any of that.
Ya know, I'm dam ned sick and tired of keeping this quiet.
I'm sick and tired of their whispers, their stares, their accusations based on lies. I'm sick and tired of them trying to convince my children now that I'm less than putrid filth because I protected those same children.
Considering the truth would force them to face things so ugly as to sicken them.
Denial is a comfortable place. Noone bothers them and they don't have to deal with any kind of real life. And they certainly don't then have to look me in the eye and make attempts at something they can't possibly understand; the truth.
What of the days if they finally find an escape and then have to deal with his loss again and must meet grief fresh?
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved UNLESS YOU ARE GAY.
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved UNLESS YOU ARE GAY.
That's a far cry from what we once were taught, isn't it outandabout?
Goodness gracious if that's what they really believe its bad over there.
Yep, OM, vee pee made craig "twofold more the child of h3ll than" he was and rosie is now fourfold the child of h3ll. (see Matt 23:15) When we say TWI II and III were like living in h3ll we weren't lying. ;)-->
Bramble said:
quote:
The world out side TWI has been painted as being even more black and more painful than what they have already seen of life.
Sadly, this is so true. For as bad as they have it in TWI, they are afraid of leaving because their whole lives they've been told it's a thousand times worse outside the walls of TWI. Tell a lie long enough and people believe it....especially if they've heard said lie since they were babies.
:"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did not change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" Romans 1:26-28**
reprobate-Rejected by God and without hope of salvation. homosexuality is not a genetic, its a decision"
Here's a quote about plagerism
"About the plagiarism:
I guess you better make him forfeit his academic degree and fire him now. :P Maybe he did, maybe he did not. All I know is, if he did plagiarize, I am glad he did it. Because all of the works that he took thoughts and ideas from would have never been brought up for people to see. I would have never read Bullinger's writings or the works of EW Kenyon. Riiighht, that stuff is way beyond me.
Maybe he should have cited his sources or what not, but even if he is guilty of plagiarism, it's too late now because he is dead and buried. Hey, if one thing wrong is done, don't dwell on it, move on and look at the bright side. Look at all these great things that he has written for us, taken from other sources or not! Imitation is the highest form of flattery, as they say.
Anybody can write a negative article about someone, expressing bad and unclean things about somebody. But where does it get us? Digging up the dirt on someone doesn't fix anything. We are all, after all, only human. Even as it may be, just a cliche, it's so true. We all make mistakes. Trying to say that someone was a horrible human being that was a drunk and plagiarized doesn't make the roots of the Way International wrong and cultish.
Again, don't dwell on the past, live life on what is happening NOW!"
I closed by saying "Alright guys, I said my piece. I just want you guys to feel like you can look into these allegations without writing everyone off as posessed. Youth is precious, savour it and good luck"
The reply"Technically, there isn't such a thing as luck, since it's all planned out and stuff. But saying good luck and knowing that it's just mainly a closing positive phrase is okay."
Georgio - I cannot believe that they were told TWI reduced size for a good reason. As if the R&E book exists but we don't believe it but will still sell it.
GAYS cannot be saved? Notice that they changed from using the LCM phrase F*G to that? wowzers. that must have taken like 10 years to change. I suppose the rest might take 50? WHO ARE THESE KIDS? Where did you talk to them? (ahem.no im not WAYGB)
Georgio, I'm sure you're making waves that will reverberate for a long time with these kids. You've been gentle with them, too, so they will feel comfortable coming to you one on one and especially when they are hurt and realize the truth about TWI. :)-->
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WordWolf
Ok, since this IS predictable, AND SSDD, let's take a look at why
EACH and EVERY comment is WRONG-but may convince a teenager lacking
experience (which has long been a tactic of twi-fool the young and gullible.)
twi tactic one: "First of all, it never happened."
This was VERY successful before the internet, and they were able to bury the
bodies and they STAYED buried.
They are LESS successful now for that reason.
They still work part of the time because some people are UNABLE or UNWILLING
to look up the truth, thus enabling themselves to think twi isn't lying.
Of course, there are also people who straight-out call all the people who come
forth "liars", which helps twi in this goal.
Belle has already said in reply:
"I asked them how they could say they never had a policy on debt when people
were kicked out for not selling their homes. They said I was lying-not one
person was kicked out for that. When I gave them examples, they started
backtracking and making excuses also."
Of course, they have no idea that there's been MUCH evil-doing, and many acts
that destroyed lives. MANY have come to light-how many have NOT?
Belle already said
"My ex always says that 'the ministry would be perfect if it weren't for
people.' He says people aren't perfect and we can't chuck the whole ministry
just because of one person. They justn don't see that it's wayyy more than pne
person and that it's the whole system that's corrupt, evil and
destructive. 'Tis sad, really."
What the HECK does THAT mean?
Belle already said
"Then out of the other side of their mouth they say no one can argue with your
experience when you're witnessing or speaking of TWI's 'blessings'.
-->
Belle:
"Do they, then, think it's ok to plagiarize their school papers? They don't
care that he was a thief and a liar???"
Actually, Belle,
it's part of the "Well, the ONLY place to get "Teh Tr00th" is twi" thinking.
This is OBVIOUSLY wrong because
A) LOTS of ex-twi teach most of the same thing
B) if vpw ripped it off another source, THE OTHER SOURCE HAS THE TRUTH!
Standard tactic. Anyone who says what we don't want to hear is LYING. TWI
uses it all the time. Some other people also use it ALL THE TIME.
Belle said
"A liar just because you speak against TWI? Yeah, that makes sense. I see they
still have the elitist attitude. Not surprising.
As if they ALWAYS speak the truth,
and ONLY they speak the truth.
Whenever ANY prophet of the LORD warned against Israel or its leaders, this was
almost certainly the SAME attitude used then.
A prophet was REQUIRED to speak against the KING of ISRAEL AND ALL THE PEOPLE
if they were wrong.
Well, so much for the "do not be deceived by the 5 senses" thing.
Apparently, twi's still big on jettisoning the people who are not
financially well-off, and not attracting the broke.
"God's Word is only for the middle class." lcm was caught saying that out
loud a number of times, and MANY things were told by MANY people to the
same effect.
"Overweight because you left the way." So, all the fat people have been kicked
out when I wasn't looking?
Reminds me what one guy said about the young.
"People in their 20s don't know anything.
The ONE thing people in their 20s are good at, is looking better than people
in their 30s and 40s."
So, the same people, if STILL in twi in their 40s, have
"middle-aged spread" to look forward to,
'and I don't care if you pray or don't pray'.
Belle also pointed out
"Looks can be decieving. You have more money than they do and most likely have
100x more savings and future security than they do unless they are kids of the
almighty BOD or the president's lover. Did they say how much happier and more
peaceful that you look? Did they notice that you look more content and
satisfied with life?
If you've gained weight since leaving TWI, it's because you no longer have to
spend all your time jumping through their hoops and you're able to really
enjoy your food and afford GOOD food now!"
Truth is NOT determined by "how much do people want to hear this"
Belle said
"What happened to Rise and Expansion??
'In order to keep an eye on people?' So they ADMIT that they micro-manage
people's lives now? They admit they stick their nose where it doesn't belong?
Well, that's a start, I guess. Now if they'll just tell people upfront that
they're going to do that instead of waiting till after they've
'taken the class'.
Belle:
"Then HOW DID THEY REDUCE THEIR NUMBERS? BY LOTTERY?"
Belle:
"Change the subject when you are shown to be wrong. Yeppers! Those kids have
learned very well from their parents' examples.
Belle:
"And nothing bad has EVER happened in their lives? How do they know that people
who leave TWI have "streaks of bad luck"? Have they talked to people who have
left TWI or are they just believing yet another set of lies fed to them by
adults who are supposed to be teaching them truth?
Besides that...what the H#ll are they doing using the word 'luck'????"
To which I add
If you are doing ANYTHING outside twi, to them it's a waste, even if you
develop cold fusion and end world hunger.
As if twi is the sole arbiter of what that IS and is NOT.
They haven't been introduced to the concepts
"hypocrisy" or "irony" yet.
Hebrews 7:25.
"Wherefore he is able also to save them to the uttermost that come unto God
by him, seeing he ever liveth to make intercession for them."
So much for Hebrews 7:25.
Amazing how they supposedly care about the Bible, but can miss something
so unambiguous in the version they themselves use....
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Come to think of it, what were TWI teens doing on the internet? Doesn't the internet belong to the devil, since Satan is the prince of the power of the air?
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Do they really believe gays can't be saved?
Now that's a switch from the good 'ol days of salvation a la Romans 10:9.
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But that is so much of The Way's problem; they really do believe they are the sole arbiter and interpreter of God's word and will. And they inculcate this belief in their "disciples".
That's why I'm not surprised at the responses Georgio got from the Way teens - because it's a heady thing to be plugged into the source for "all truth", to have a ready pat answer for all of life's ills and gray areas, to have access to the inner sanctum secrets.
I simply hope they won't get hurt too badly before they decide God and the world are
bigger than the Way International.
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WordWolf
It's not that big a jump from lcm's comments about how he'd "gladly kill" them
if it wasn't illegal.
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It actually is.
Killing them doesn't mean they aren't saved.
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WordWolf
I agree, Kevlar.
The one thing I'm surprised about is that he found enough teenagers in twi
currently to have a conversation with several.
Perhaps it was just the presidential cabinet, online pretending to be
teenagers. After all, we know some criminals pretend to be teenagers online...
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Thinking someone is worthy of being actively murdered is one thing.
Thinking someone is unworthy of being saved is a question of degree.
It's a much less extreme version of the same thing.
Thinking someone is unworthy of being saved, then going to
"I don't see why God WOULD save you" is a tiny hop,
and from thence to
"therefore, God CAN'T save you" is another tiny hop.
Stop and consider for a moment.
twi never wakes up one morning and says
"If you owe a credit card company $20, we're kicking you out."
They move in little steps until they reach something truly absurd.
The old "Romans 10:9" position wasn't wrong,
but they moved from there in little (and not-little) steps until they can't
see it because it's over the horizon.
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That one caught my attention too Georgio, I cannot believe that doesn`t just scare the he11 out of them.
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All of this was horrible, but this one REALLY caught my eye:
I can't believe that the kids believe this AND IT DOESN'T SCARE THE HELL OUT OF THEM!
We weeded out others so we can scrutinize YOU even more closely!
To quote Asok (from "Dilbert"), HOLY MOTHER OF TOMATOES!!
George
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Interesting! I just deleted my first post becuse it got sent before I completed my thought, and Rascal came up almost verbatim with what I was going to say!
It IS scary!
George
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Right-
teenagers who are FINE with being SCRUTINIZED????
What the HECK happened to THEM in childhood that this is acceptable?
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Huh?????
With that kind of logic, they should be "glad" that others have split from twi and run their own pfal-versionized classes. Then others too can hear scriptures, receive salvation and walk with power from on high.
Or, are they simply talking out of boths sides of their mouth.....falling head-first into idolatry of man? Long live the lordship of wierwille?
These teenagers NEED to expose themselves to more life....outside the confines of waybrained propaganda.
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Gee......just off the top of my head, I can think of 7 people (innies) who DIED while claiming God's protection within the walls of twi.
And......on a scale of 1 to 10, I would consider DYING a 10 rating in "bad luck."
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QUOTE]
Right-
teenagers who are FINE with being SCRUTINIZED????
What the HECK happened to THEM in childhood that this is acceptable?/QUOTE
I know what happened to these kids. They have had to perform for their parents approval and love all their lives. They have been instilled since they learned how to crawl with fear of disobedience because of the pain involved.
As teens, if they disobey their parents they are worthy of death and could be kicked to the curb. They have had few friends, many friends left abruptly because their parents were possessed.
The world out side TWI has been painted as being even more black and more painful than what they have already seen of life.
Their lives and view points have been carefully boxed by their parents, who are terrified of having their child outside the household.
At the same time they are filled with relief and self righteousness because They are of the only true household of God with the truth in the world--and don't you dare ever leave it!
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Yup, sky, I could add to your list.
Then TRASHED by leadership for doing what the same leadership told them to do.
What kind of lesson was taught to my late husband's neices and nephews when their wonderful uncle died while following TWI's instruction of "believing God" instead of seeking medical help.
What lesson did they learn when leadership trashed his name, his family, his wife, his children? Did they get it that they were a part of that family they trashed?
But of course they'd not admit to hearing any of that.
Ya know, I'm dam ned sick and tired of keeping this quiet.
I'm sick and tired of their whispers, their stares, their accusations based on lies. I'm sick and tired of them trying to convince my children now that I'm less than putrid filth because I protected those same children.
Considering the truth would force them to face things so ugly as to sicken them.
Denial is a comfortable place. Noone bothers them and they don't have to deal with any kind of real life. And they certainly don't then have to look me in the eye and make attempts at something they can't possibly understand; the truth.
What of the days if they finally find an escape and then have to deal with his loss again and must meet grief fresh?
I'm not sure I care anymore.
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That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in thine heart that God has raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved UNLESS YOU ARE GAY.
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They rebuked you in the name of Jesus Christ???
Ha ha ha. You should have rebuked them for rebuking you.
Actually, though, I feel sorry for them.
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That's a far cry from what we once were taught, isn't it outandabout?
Goodness gracious if that's what they really believe its bad over there.
They need PFAL.
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Yep, OM, vee pee made craig "twofold more the child of h3ll than" he was and rosie is now fourfold the child of h3ll. (see Matt 23:15) When we say TWI II and III were like living in h3ll we weren't lying.
;)-->
Bramble said:
Sadly, this is so true. For as bad as they have it in TWI, they are afraid of leaving because their whole lives they've been told it's a thousand times worse outside the walls of TWI. Tell a lie long enough and people believe it....especially if they've heard said lie since they were babies.
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Eventually,
some of them will roll the dice,
and get sick and tired of being sick and tired,
and maybe conclude that things outside twi can't be WORSE than inside twi,
then give it a try.
Now, THERE'S something we should all be praying for-
the deliverance of the poor children and teens sacrificed to twi
who were taken captive at twi's will.
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Here is thw quote about the gay thing:
:"For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did not change the natural use into that which is against nature:And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient" Romans 1:26-28**
reprobate-Rejected by God and without hope of salvation. homosexuality is not a genetic, its a decision"
Here's a quote about plagerism
"About the plagiarism:
I guess you better make him forfeit his academic degree and fire him now. :P Maybe he did, maybe he did not. All I know is, if he did plagiarize, I am glad he did it. Because all of the works that he took thoughts and ideas from would have never been brought up for people to see. I would have never read Bullinger's writings or the works of EW Kenyon. Riiighht, that stuff is way beyond me.
Maybe he should have cited his sources or what not, but even if he is guilty of plagiarism, it's too late now because he is dead and buried. Hey, if one thing wrong is done, don't dwell on it, move on and look at the bright side. Look at all these great things that he has written for us, taken from other sources or not! Imitation is the highest form of flattery, as they say.
Anybody can write a negative article about someone, expressing bad and unclean things about somebody. But where does it get us? Digging up the dirt on someone doesn't fix anything. We are all, after all, only human. Even as it may be, just a cliche, it's so true. We all make mistakes. Trying to say that someone was a horrible human being that was a drunk and plagiarized doesn't make the roots of the Way International wrong and cultish.
Again, don't dwell on the past, live life on what is happening NOW!"
I closed by saying "Alright guys, I said my piece. I just want you guys to feel like you can look into these allegations without writing everyone off as posessed. Youth is precious, savour it and good luck"
The reply"Technically, there isn't such a thing as luck, since it's all planned out and stuff. But saying good luck and knowing that it's just mainly a closing positive phrase is okay."
Like they can't
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Georgio - I cannot believe that they were told TWI reduced size for a good reason. As if the R&E book exists but we don't believe it but will still sell it.
GAYS cannot be saved? Notice that they changed from using the LCM phrase F*G to that? wowzers. that must have taken like 10 years to change. I suppose the rest might take 50? WHO ARE THESE KIDS? Where did you talk to them? (ahem.no im not WAYGB)
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Georgio, I'm sure you're making waves that will reverberate for a long time with these kids. You've been gentle with them, too, so they will feel comfortable coming to you one on one and especially when they are hurt and realize the truth about TWI.
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You have my utmost respect.
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