Chef. You are right. Which is why loyboy redefined it. We were told in later days that "reaching into daddy's cookie jar" would lead to opening up our minds to debil spurts
So Martindale taught that reaching into "daddy's cookie jar" could open your mind to demons huh?...Funny stuff...That was one of the staples of Veepee's teaching on gettin' revelation...lcm really went off the "deep end" didn't he? He felt that he had to discredit a lot of Veepee's doctrines, which meant that old craigers must have thought that he "arrived" at a far superior spiritual position than Vic had attained...lcm, as he danced around in his leotards, figured that he knew more spiritual truth than any man EVER!...In other words, the man was a raving lunatic! Spitting all over people as he demanded the loyalty oath...At that point, he should have been taken away in a straight jacket and they should have let Walter run the show...
...and this guy was the "expert" on the spirit realm huh? and today, he's working at Bali's, picking up other men...
From 1989 thru his "de-thronement" LCM, et al, totally distanced themselves from ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING VPW. We were not allowed to listen to old vpw tapes, the pfal foundational materials were off limits as "old wineskins," and GOD FORBID anyone ever utterered that all time classic line..."Dr. Wierwille said........"
ALL THINGS VPW were completely outlawed and if someone slipped even one time...they would be reported to the next higher level in the twi hierarchy. Only , Geerites and some other early off shoots quoted, used, or reprinted anything from VPW.
I am not passing judgement on this......just explaining the facts as they were at the time. The "reach up into daddy's cookie jar" was hit extremely hard by LCM who taught that we should know EVERYTHING we could by the 5 senses....so revelation was hardly ever necessary.
Was he right or wrong? Who knows.....but that is how he taught it.
With Martindale's amazing disrespect towards his former master, I'm surprised he didn't refer to Wierwille's teachings as "old wineskins from the Old Foreskin".
He couldn't hold a candle to Wierwille. In anything. And that's not saying much.
This thread is most disturbing to me...which is good. I hadn't thought about DWA in over a decade but boy did it play a role in how I viewed life and people. Today I still have residual effects of its influence. Good vs. evil, 5 sences vs. spiritual insite. Any kind of epiphanies that I might recieve today are minimally influenced by all this garbage. I'm glad to say that the hold has become less and less with the more exposure to different belief systems and allowing for what resinates with me ...I allow experiance. Thank for the mental berometer.
of course the Infernal revenue service would be the first one knockin on his door
guess who'd be right behind them?
Funny you should mention that. We were taught (and I'm not making this up) that if we DID win something, it wasn't from God so would be excess. Translation: "It's abundance and therefore give it to us." God doesn't need the lottery, after all.
You'd think this would apply to ol' "can't keep his fly zipped" Martindale, but then again I distinctly remember them teaching us that our freedom in Christ discussed in (Romans?) means that there is no sin in bed-hopping if you are spiritual enough to handle it. Clearly, they didn't and don't think it was a sin. But they knew it was a "stumbling block" for those who were "less spiritual" so they wouldn't come right out and say that to non-corps folks, and somehow that made everything okay...
Geez... I'm so very glad I don't have to try to wrap my brain around this crap anymore.
I understand now. It was a one-time thingy- each time it happened. Now I see the mathmatical accuracy and scientific precision of the whole thing. Besides, he didn't CONTINUE to do so between said events.
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coolchef1248 @adelphia.net
please correct me if i am wrong BUT
doesn't "a little birdie told me" equate to
"reach into daddy's cookie jar"?
they were damn fools and i was a fool to believe them
but believe i did
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Chef. You are right. Which is why loyboy redefined it. We were told in later days that "reaching into daddy's cookie jar" would lead to opening up our minds to debil spurts
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Yep.. ole loy himself must've known, first hand.
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I attended a two-week Advanced Class on Devil Spirits at hq in '92. Craig ran it, as I recall. Oh, I felt so very spiritually mature.
Ah, but I was so much older then, I'm younger than that now. Bob Dylan
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they are huh?
if some lucky stiff in TWI ever hit powerball
of course the Infernal revenue service would be the first one knockin on his door
guess who'd be right behind them?
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Ham
Maybe Der Vey should offer a new class. Really- the "advanced class special on DISTILLING of spirits"
At least they might have a little fun..
might get in trouble with the ATF people though.
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Ole rose herself could show the crowd how to work up the mash- give her something better to do with the old cauldron.
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So Martindale taught that reaching into "daddy's cookie jar" could open your mind to demons huh?...Funny stuff...That was one of the staples of Veepee's teaching on gettin' revelation...lcm really went off the "deep end" didn't he? He felt that he had to discredit a lot of Veepee's doctrines, which meant that old craigers must have thought that he "arrived" at a far superior spiritual position than Vic had attained...lcm, as he danced around in his leotards, figured that he knew more spiritual truth than any man EVER!...In other words, the man was a raving lunatic! Spitting all over people as he demanded the loyalty oath...At that point, he should have been taken away in a straight jacket and they should have let Walter run the show...
...and this guy was the "expert" on the spirit realm huh? and today, he's working at Bali's, picking up other men...
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From 1989 thru his "de-thronement" LCM, et al, totally distanced themselves from ANYTHING AND EVERYTHING VPW. We were not allowed to listen to old vpw tapes, the pfal foundational materials were off limits as "old wineskins," and GOD FORBID anyone ever utterered that all time classic line..."Dr. Wierwille said........"
ALL THINGS VPW were completely outlawed and if someone slipped even one time...they would be reported to the next higher level in the twi hierarchy. Only , Geerites and some other early off shoots quoted, used, or reprinted anything from VPW.
I am not passing judgement on this......just explaining the facts as they were at the time. The "reach up into daddy's cookie jar" was hit extremely hard by LCM who taught that we should know EVERYTHING we could by the 5 senses....so revelation was hardly ever necessary.
Was he right or wrong? Who knows.....but that is how he taught it.
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With Martindale's amazing disrespect towards his former master, I'm surprised he didn't refer to Wierwille's teachings as "old wineskins from the Old Foreskin".
He couldn't hold a candle to Wierwille. In anything. And that's not saying much.
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This thread is most disturbing to me...which is good. I hadn't thought about DWA in over a decade but boy did it play a role in how I viewed life and people. Today I still have residual effects of its influence. Good vs. evil, 5 sences vs. spiritual insite. Any kind of epiphanies that I might recieve today are minimally influenced by all this garbage. I'm glad to say that the hold has become less and less with the more exposure to different belief systems and allowing for what resinates with me ...I allow experiance. Thank for the mental berometer.
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He may have come short of saying it, but I bet he THOUGHT it.
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Funny you should mention that. We were taught (and I'm not making this up) that if we DID win something, it wasn't from God so would be excess. Translation: "It's abundance and therefore give it to us." God doesn't need the lottery, after all.
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You'd think this would apply to ol' "can't keep his fly zipped" Martindale, but then again I distinctly remember them teaching us that our freedom in Christ discussed in (Romans?) means that there is no sin in bed-hopping if you are spiritual enough to handle it. Clearly, they didn't and don't think it was a sin. But they knew it was a "stumbling block" for those who were "less spiritual" so they wouldn't come right out and say that to non-corps folks, and somehow that made everything okay...
Geez... I'm so very glad I don't have to try to wrap my brain around this crap anymore.
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But he DIDN'T continue to sin! It was a one time affair....okay, two time affair, but that's it!
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I understand now. It was a one-time thingy- each time it happened. Now I see the mathmatical accuracy and scientific precision of the whole thing. Besides, he didn't CONTINUE to do so between said events.
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and...they were all "consensual" !!!
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Ham
I don't think Loy could exercise any options in this regard..
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There's yet more fun to be had, y'all! I just haven't had time to sit down and add more of this fun stuff to the board.
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coolchef1248 @adelphia.net
methinks this all fits "like a penis in a condom"
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Ham
Ah. That was the phrase, I wasn't exactly gonna put my finger on..
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