As I recall, the Way Woods and the burial plots do not abut a public thoroughfare, so access to them requires passage through TWI property. Even when "everyone was welcome at The Way," they had the right to protect the property from trespassers. And it's not unreasonable to surmise that there are, in fact, people who would deface the property or interfere with TWI operations if there were no restrictions to access.
Sorry, I have never heard of a grave yard being off limits unless it was a family plot. As far as twi claiming it is there property. Sure it is but there are loved ones there. Yeah it may have been a verble agreement. Now take twi for its word They will trash this country and its laws until it bennifits them then they take full advantage of it.
It is a buisness folks. Make no mistake about it. They could give a crap about you or the people that are dead or alive there. My guess there are more dead people there than alive.
From what I can understand from the article is that she and her husband do have access to her still born child's final resting place. But nobody else does.
What about family (grand parents, cousins, brothers or sisters if they have any, aunts, uncles the list goes on. Yeah maybe a victory but a very shallow one. I am so glad they can visit please do not mistake me on that point.
While sustaining the right of Dennis and Shannon Bottoms to access to The Way Woods site, and to the burial plot, he also noted depositions showed neither parent had sought access between 1979 and 2003. He also noted that they disaffiliated themselves with the Way International in the mid-1980's.
the judge doesn't understand waking up from cults, do you think i'm right ?
This is the same judge (Schmitt) that recently was arrested in an adjoining county for drunk driving. This is the second judge in Shelby County who has been arrested for a DUI.
The other is the civil court judge (I better be careful because I have an eviction hearing in front of him on July 20. I manage a 110 unit apartment complex and at times have to appear before him for an eviction). He was sitting on the bench for several months wearing an ankle bracelet and passing judgement on other drunk drivers. DUH
And it's not unreasonable to surmise that there are, in fact, people who would deface the property or interfere with TWI operations if there were no restrictions to access.
Now THAT is a REALLY good point George. Probably the only valid reason they have to keep folks out. Any other reason they may offer is just twi being mean-hearted to the folks they hold grudges against, regardless what they say to the press.
1. Verbal agreements are made between two or more honorable parties and they seldom extend past the death of one of the parties that made the agreement. twi and vpw had no honor. vpw is dead.
2. When courts are involved, you need a "paper trail". Verbal agreements/contracts are very seldom enforceable in courts.
Out of curiosity, have they considered looking into the possibility of having their son's remains removed and re-located to a different burial spot,- to a public cemetary of their choice ?
I don't know about anyone else here, but I sure the hell wouldn't want the unholy grounds of twi (along with its hard-hearted "caretakers")as a final resting place, for either myself or a loved one.
The ruling is not a victory for Bottoms or a loss for TWI. It is an affirmation of what TWI's policy has been for several years. They're on solid legal ground.
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mstar1
Im not a lawyer but that sounds ridiculous to me. Reasonable?
Necessary? for what?
They are a pretty sad outfit, to deny people access to a cemetary and even more so to pay a lawyer to keep people away.
Pathetic.
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As I recall, the Way Woods and the burial plots do not abut a public thoroughfare, so access to them requires passage through TWI property. Even when "everyone was welcome at The Way," they had the right to protect the property from trespassers. And it's not unreasonable to surmise that there are, in fact, people who would deface the property or interfere with TWI operations if there were no restrictions to access.
George
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Sorry, I have never heard of a grave yard being off limits unless it was a family plot. As far as twi claiming it is there property. Sure it is but there are loved ones there. Yeah it may have been a verble agreement. Now take twi for its word They will trash this country and its laws until it bennifits them then they take full advantage of it.
It is a buisness folks. Make no mistake about it. They could give a crap about you or the people that are dead or alive there. My guess there are more dead people there than alive.
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vickles
It looks like she won, right? Or am I misreading it.
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outofdafog
From what I can understand from the article is that she and her husband do have access to her still born child's final resting place. But nobody else does.
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vickles
Its a good thing then. One lawsuit for one family is not going to change things. But they did win for them.
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justloafing
What about family (grand parents, cousins, brothers or sisters if they have any, aunts, uncles the list goes on. Yeah maybe a victory but a very shallow one. I am so glad they can visit please do not mistake me on that point.
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vickles
A shallow victory yes but a victory going in the right direction, yes?
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justloafing
vickles, Yes it is ;)-->
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excathedra
the judge doesn't understand waking up from cults, do you think i'm right ?
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mstar1
very good point ex--no he doesn't
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outofdafog
This is the same judge (Schmitt) that recently was arrested in an adjoining county for drunk driving. This is the second judge in Shelby County who has been arrested for a DUI.
The other is the civil court judge (I better be careful because I have an eviction hearing in front of him on July 20. I manage a 110 unit apartment complex and at times have to appear before him for an eviction). He was sitting on the bench for several months wearing an ankle bracelet and passing judgement on other drunk drivers. DUH
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dmiller
No he doesn't understand waking up from the dead.
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johniam
Must not be a lot to do in Shelby county now that Adolph's is gone. Wait! Yeah, they can go to twig! Oops.
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Now THAT is a REALLY good point George. Probably the only valid reason they have to keep folks out. Any other reason they may offer is just twi being mean-hearted to the folks they hold grudges against, regardless what they say to the press.
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There are two things that must be understood...
1. Verbal agreements are made between two or more honorable parties and they seldom extend past the death of one of the parties that made the agreement. twi and vpw had no honor. vpw is dead.
2. When courts are involved, you need a "paper trail". Verbal agreements/contracts are very seldom enforceable in courts.
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Out of curiosity, have they considered looking into the possibility of having their son's remains removed and re-located to a different burial spot,- to a public cemetary of their choice ?
I don't know about anyone else here, but I sure the hell wouldn't want the unholy grounds of twi (along with its hard-hearted "caretakers")as a final resting place, for either myself or a loved one.
Danny
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rascal
That would be a good idea if there were specific graves, but I think that most of the dead were cremated and the ashes scattered.
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LG
The ruling is not a victory for Bottoms or a loss for TWI. It is an affirmation of what TWI's policy has been for several years. They're on solid legal ground.
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justloafing
Well any place that I know of has insurance against desercration of graves or property. No big deal.
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justloafing
They only went to court to keep people off of the property. If they had the choice they would not let anybody on.
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GeorgeStGeorge
Banks have insurance against robbery. They ALSO have guards, locks, and lots of rules.
George
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Ham
Well, one thing.. in all this, Der Vey has affirmed their rights to run- a cemetary.
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GarthP2000
Oh NOW they make it official!
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