I only knew of her in the 80's as the woman who oversaw the blessed workers in way publications.At one point, I believe, she had them signing in and out when they went to the bathroom. She brought 'micro managing' to a new level.
I know, after being in for many years, and then hearing she was the new PREZ, I hadn't even heard of her.
There has to be some reason that she was "exalted" to this "position of importance" (and I use the words "important position" with much humor). She knows something and probably had the BOT over a barrel with this information. I heard her own son won't fellowship with TWI - I thought there was something in the Word about having your own house in order before you run around telling other people to clean their houses (literally and figuratively).
If I recall, it was pfal 77 (the live class)...that was her springboard into twi importance. Correct me if I'm wrong...but twi rented out a major portion of Ball state University and housed a few thousand people for about a week...I was there. It was billed as Wierwille's last time to teach pfal live...Rozilla coordinated the entire thing...and Wierwille paraded her around as being "sumthin speeeeeeeecial". She certainly didn't fit the mold of the average twi recruit...her syrupy southern belle accent was enough to gag a maggott...
She was an opprotunist...her specialty has always been to plot behind the scenes and decide who to stab in the back. She got "the chair" by default...martindumb had run off all the people who were qualified to do the job...there was nobody left...
except bob moneyhands...I often wonder why he didn't get the job when loy boy was tossed...I suspect that loy figured he could get his job back, after things "cooled down"...EASIER, if he left a dislikable, non-charismatic, lesbian bureaucrat in charge?...unless it was just one more example of martindale's extremely poor judgement...
As I recall, she was pretty much in charge of Way Productions for a long time. With the possible exception of the Corps, WP was TWI's biggest operation. When Don W. stepped down, it probably made sense to someone to replace him with another bureaucrat. --> I can't speculate on the possibility of her having "the goods" on other BOT members; but I can't rule it out, either.
RFR was a VP foot (and God knows what else) kisser to his face and in public.. Behind his back, she lied to him (e.g., "Tell him I'm not in" orders when he phoned her office).
VP was a master at overlooking people's personality and character flaws if they could do something to promote twi. She was organized, authoritarian, and educated, so he put her in charge of Way Prod and Univ. of Life. So what if she treated people, at best, like children and, at worst, like slaves? Observing this pattern of VPW's was my first hint that his judgment was clouded by ambition.
I find it interesting that as soon as VPW was on his way out as a real power player of twi, around the time LCM was named as VP's successor, RFR suddenly got very cozy with DM. Maybe she was privately cozy with her before, but around that time, they suddenly started being seen together constantly. RFR knew where the power base of twi was, starting with VP and then slithering her way into the LCM regime.
I've said this before: It was my sense that RFR neither liked nor respected LCM. I base this on snide comments I heard her make about him in private, when she wasn't up on a stage with that insipid PR grin on her face saying how damn wonderful he was.
RFR and DM's "special friendship" was obvious to everyone...maybe even LCM noticed it and as a result disliked her as much as she disliked him. Don W. was onto her two-faced approach to "leadership," as well.
So how did RFR get to the top? I can only surmise, based on what I know. I think she knew too much about LCM's shenanigans, and VP's before him. For all I know, she played on LCM's weakness and set him up for the fall. I wouldn't put it past her.
This is the only logical explanation I can come up with. It sure as heck wasn't for her teaching or public speaking ability. It wasn't because she was a hot babe. :P--> It wasn't because she was widely loved and respected by wayfers in general. As can be seen in this thread, most wayfers didn't know her, and many didn't even know who she was.
Doesn't she have two sons? One was in jail? We never hear about her sons. She's divorced and got tons of prime real estate when she divorced. Didn't want her picture on the internet.
Went on private vacations with just her and Donna. Spent week-end getaways with Donna at Indiana's campus.
Never teaches, just reads....and mostly just lists of verses at that.
Moneyhands doesn't like her but kisses her butt.
Has been caught in numerous lies.
Got to keep cats when everyone else was forced to give up their pets.
Has a swimming pool while most people rent with much lesser amenities, if any.
ABS has paid for a boat and lessons for her while most people are convinced to skip most little league and other things for their kids.
Does she like onions? Are they still contraband at hq?
She hearkens from New Bern, NC (hence the syruppy accent), where her family are big fish in a small pond. But I think if a P.I. went digging around and turning over stones there, no telling what scum he might find on the bottom side...
RFR taught at a nearby Limb meeting around Easter. This was perhaps 77 or 78. I had never heard of her nor had many of the people there though we were assured that she was a "great woman of God" by the local leaders many of whom seemed ambivolent about the arrangement. It was as if her presence represented a last minute change and she was thrust upon the Limb and she had to be accomodated. I don't know this to be true but that is the impression I got. We were all expecting someone else to teach. Some of the area people didn't look happy about the change.
Anyway her teaching was unremarkable. She talked down Easter as a counterfeit and spoke of Penetecost as the day we should be celebrating. Nothing new really - just a regurgitation of standard Way teaching on Easter. Her teaching style was very dry and she made no attempt at humor (even standard, corny Way jokes). It was a rainy day and I found myself drifting off frequently. I don't think RFR's rise to power had anything to do with her public speaking skills or her mastery of "the word".
Over the years (in and out of TWI) I've encountered individuals who are excellent manipulators of people and they have an acumen for positioning themselves correctly such that when the time is right they can step into positions of influence and power. Non-coincidentally they tend to be accomplished at schmoozing the right people which typically involves the development of a close relationship with a "target". The purpose of this is to get information that will later become useful. Of course while its happening the "target" feels lucky to have such a "close friend" in whom they can confide. ("No one understands me like you do. I can always count on your support"). These manipulators are loyal to no one except themselves. They usually are successful to the extent that they "move up" but it comes at a cost. Eventually people do recognize them as the manipulators they are.
I sat with the grads when RFR took PFAL in 1973 at the ECU Way Home in Greenville, NC.
It is my understanding that she taught high school English in New Bern, NC and was introduced to twi and pfal by her students.
She rose to prominence in the NC Limb very quickly. Most of us in NC were pretty young during that time. We were mostly either college or high school students. Even the Limb Leader during that time was only 27. Since she was in her either late thirties or early forties, a high school teacher and most of all very loyal to the Limb leadership, she was deemed especially valuable in reaching out to parents. She found herself speaking in front of Limb gatherings relatively soon.
RR was always around on stage (it seems) giving out the announcements for some big event twi was promoting -- (Live class, weekends in the word, heartbeat festivals, soundout 84, etc.) I figured her to be the *official spokesperson* for these things, and not much more. Like Trefor says -- you always heard her on the sns tapes plugging some new ministry function.
I remember she was big in the U. of L. (coordinating and such), but never knew much about her other "duties". Thanks for filling in some of the gaps there Linda and Oeno. :)-->
Since she was in her either late thirties or early forties, a high school teacher and most of all very loyal to the Limb leadership, she was deemed especially valuable in reaching out to parents.
And this was in 1973???
Cripes -- how old does that make her now??? --> --> -->
When I did the WONC (Word Over North Carolina) program in the summer of 1974, I was assigned to a group in Charlotte with Rosie as the group leader. Three girls, one other guy and me. The other guy bolted before we even got started (smart guy) leaving me the odd man out and I was traded to another group for a player to be named later.
So then I was with another guy, a married couple and their one-year old son until that guy bolted too. Maybe it was me. :D-->
In the short time I was in Rosie's group, she never struck me as being anybody special in the way. She did strike me as being unbelievably uptight and we never would have gotten along at all. I would have bolted before the summer was over. I didn't think she was over 30 at that time but I really had no idea.
We were in the northern part of the city and she was in the southern and I don't think we saw them all summer. Of course, we didn't exactly follow the program the way it was written down.
When you seriously think about it folks...would any of you really want the job of prez of TWI? It's like being the warden of a prison which has 4000-5000 inmates..to me its almost an embarrassing "accomplishment" of sorts & it sounds like she's "copped" the prize...yuk what a prize???JJ
Well, she may be a self-serving, coniving, riches seeking, ultra-controlling rugmuncher with delusions of godhood, with serious need of attention from the "reflections" department, but at least she, well, um... good grief. Can't think of anything positive to say, heh heh.
She's had a broken marriage. Broken family. Little is known about her sons, if anything. She hasn't brought a ****load of people to the Word. She isn't getting major revelation on exciting new ways to lead the ministry. She isn't doing anything to help it grow. Review of STS and Way Rags show there isn't any hot Bible coming outta HQ. She's a facade, window dressing, a talking head, if you will, for a dead. DEAD. Dead. Very dead ministry. And if you look up the qualification for a minister in Timothy, her picture isn't exactly in the book, if you know what I mean.
Hell, there's more excitement and action in my cat's litterbox than there is in TWI - not to mention the litterbox smells better!
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I met her at new knoxville farm in the late seventies. She didn't seem anyone special to me. I think I had a conversation with her a time or two.
I think she is from North Carolina and was a school teacher.
I have wondered how in the world did she rise up to what she is doing now? She seemed like everyone else that worked on grounds to me. No one special.
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I only knew of her in the 80's as the woman who oversaw the blessed workers in way publications.At one point, I believe, she had them signing in and out when they went to the bathroom. She brought 'micro managing' to a new level.
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I know, after being in for many years, and then hearing she was the new PREZ, I hadn't even heard of her.
There has to be some reason that she was "exalted" to this "position of importance" (and I use the words "important position" with much humor). She knows something and probably had the BOT over a barrel with this information. I heard her own son won't fellowship with TWI - I thought there was something in the Word about having your own house in order before you run around telling other people to clean their houses (literally and figuratively).
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A photo of her younger days caught in the act of choosing which face to wear.
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If I recall, it was pfal 77 (the live class)...that was her springboard into twi importance. Correct me if I'm wrong...but twi rented out a major portion of Ball state University and housed a few thousand people for about a week...I was there. It was billed as Wierwille's last time to teach pfal live...Rozilla coordinated the entire thing...and Wierwille paraded her around as being "sumthin speeeeeeeecial". She certainly didn't fit the mold of the average twi recruit...her syrupy southern belle accent was enough to gag a maggott...
She was an opprotunist...her specialty has always been to plot behind the scenes and decide who to stab in the back. She got "the chair" by default...martindumb had run off all the people who were qualified to do the job...there was nobody left...
except bob moneyhands...I often wonder why he didn't get the job when loy boy was tossed...I suspect that loy figured he could get his job back, after things "cooled down"...EASIER, if he left a dislikable, non-charismatic, lesbian bureaucrat in charge?...unless it was just one more example of martindale's extremely poor judgement...
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As I recall, she was pretty much in charge of Way Productions for a long time. With the possible exception of the Corps, WP was TWI's biggest operation. When Don W. stepped down, it probably made sense to someone to replace him with another bureaucrat.
--> I can't speculate on the possibility of her having "the goods" on other BOT members; but I can't rule it out, either.
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RFR was a VP foot (and God knows what else) kisser to his face and in public.. Behind his back, she lied to him (e.g., "Tell him I'm not in" orders when he phoned her office).
VP was a master at overlooking people's personality and character flaws if they could do something to promote twi. She was organized, authoritarian, and educated, so he put her in charge of Way Prod and Univ. of Life. So what if she treated people, at best, like children and, at worst, like slaves? Observing this pattern of VPW's was my first hint that his judgment was clouded by ambition.
I find it interesting that as soon as VPW was on his way out as a real power player of twi, around the time LCM was named as VP's successor, RFR suddenly got very cozy with DM. Maybe she was privately cozy with her before, but around that time, they suddenly started being seen together constantly. RFR knew where the power base of twi was, starting with VP and then slithering her way into the LCM regime.
I've said this before: It was my sense that RFR neither liked nor respected LCM. I base this on snide comments I heard her make about him in private, when she wasn't up on a stage with that insipid PR grin on her face saying how damn wonderful he was.
RFR and DM's "special friendship" was obvious to everyone...maybe even LCM noticed it and as a result disliked her as much as she disliked him. Don W. was onto her two-faced approach to "leadership," as well.
So how did RFR get to the top? I can only surmise, based on what I know. I think she knew too much about LCM's shenanigans, and VP's before him. For all I know, she played on LCM's weakness and set him up for the fall. I wouldn't put it past her.
This is the only logical explanation I can come up with. It sure as heck wasn't for her teaching or public speaking ability. It wasn't because she was a hot babe.
:P--> It wasn't because she was widely loved and respected by wayfers in general. As can be seen in this thread, most wayfers didn't know her, and many didn't even know who she was.
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Doesn't she have two sons? One was in jail? We never hear about her sons. She's divorced and got tons of prime real estate when she divorced. Didn't want her picture on the internet.
Went on private vacations with just her and Donna. Spent week-end getaways with Donna at Indiana's campus.
Never teaches, just reads....and mostly just lists of verses at that.
Moneyhands doesn't like her but kisses her butt.
Has been caught in numerous lies.
Got to keep cats when everyone else was forced to give up their pets.
Has a swimming pool while most people rent with much lesser amenities, if any.
ABS has paid for a boat and lessons for her while most people are convinced to skip most little league and other things for their kids.
Does she like onions? Are they still contraband at hq?
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I only knew her from her annoying simpering voice on sunday night teaching tapes:
"Dyah Doctah Weah Will..."
I don't recall her ever coming to any TWI gatherings in the UK.
No talent at all apart from what we would call "brown nosing."
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She hearkens from New Bern, NC (hence the syruppy accent), where her family are big fish in a small pond. But I think if a P.I. went digging around and turning over stones there, no telling what scum he might find on the bottom side...
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RFR taught at a nearby Limb meeting around Easter. This was perhaps 77 or 78. I had never heard of her nor had many of the people there though we were assured that she was a "great woman of God" by the local leaders many of whom seemed ambivolent about the arrangement. It was as if her presence represented a last minute change and she was thrust upon the Limb and she had to be accomodated. I don't know this to be true but that is the impression I got. We were all expecting someone else to teach. Some of the area people didn't look happy about the change.
Anyway her teaching was unremarkable. She talked down Easter as a counterfeit and spoke of Penetecost as the day we should be celebrating. Nothing new really - just a regurgitation of standard Way teaching on Easter. Her teaching style was very dry and she made no attempt at humor (even standard, corny Way jokes). It was a rainy day and I found myself drifting off frequently. I don't think RFR's rise to power had anything to do with her public speaking skills or her mastery of "the word".
Over the years (in and out of TWI) I've encountered individuals who are excellent manipulators of people and they have an acumen for positioning themselves correctly such that when the time is right they can step into positions of influence and power. Non-coincidentally they tend to be accomplished at schmoozing the right people which typically involves the development of a close relationship with a "target". The purpose of this is to get information that will later become useful. Of course while its happening the "target" feels lucky to have such a "close friend" in whom they can confide. ("No one understands me like you do. I can always count on your support"). These manipulators are loyal to no one except themselves. They usually are successful to the extent that they "move up" but it comes at a cost. Eventually people do recognize them as the manipulators they are.
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I sat with the grads when RFR took PFAL in 1973 at the ECU Way Home in Greenville, NC.
It is my understanding that she taught high school English in New Bern, NC and was introduced to twi and pfal by her students.
She rose to prominence in the NC Limb very quickly. Most of us in NC were pretty young during that time. We were mostly either college or high school students. Even the Limb Leader during that time was only 27. Since she was in her either late thirties or early forties, a high school teacher and most of all very loyal to the Limb leadership, she was deemed especially valuable in reaching out to parents. She found herself speaking in front of Limb gatherings relatively soon.
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RR was always around on stage (it seems) giving out the announcements for some big event twi was promoting -- (Live class, weekends in the word, heartbeat festivals, soundout 84, etc.) I figured her to be the *official spokesperson* for these things, and not much more. Like Trefor says -- you always heard her on the sns tapes plugging some new ministry function.
I remember she was big in the U. of L. (coordinating and such), but never knew much about her other "duties". Thanks for filling in some of the gaps there Linda and Oeno.
:)-->
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And this was in 1973???
Cripes -- how old does that make her now???
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David, I'd say she's in her 60s, so I think she was more likely in her 30s than her 40s when Oeno met her.
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When I did the WONC (Word Over North Carolina) program in the summer of 1974, I was assigned to a group in Charlotte with Rosie as the group leader. Three girls, one other guy and me. The other guy bolted before we even got started (smart guy) leaving me the odd man out and I was traded to another group for a player to be named later.
So then I was with another guy, a married couple and their one-year old son until that guy bolted too. Maybe it was me.
:D-->
In the short time I was in Rosie's group, she never struck me as being anybody special in the way. She did strike me as being unbelievably uptight and we never would have gotten along at all. I would have bolted before the summer was over. I didn't think she was over 30 at that time but I really had no idea.
We were in the northern part of the city and she was in the southern and I don't think we saw them all summer. Of course, we didn't exactly follow the program the way it was written down.
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She's 64 or 65 years old.......information was posted several months ago.
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Intelius.com has her at 65.
How old are Pirate and Oenophile????
George
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When you seriously think about it folks...would any of you really want the job of prez of TWI? It's like being the warden of a prison which has 4000-5000 inmates..to me its almost an embarrassing "accomplishment" of sorts & it sounds like she's "copped" the prize...yuk what a prize???JJ
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Well, she may be a self-serving, coniving, riches seeking, ultra-controlling rugmuncher with delusions of godhood, with serious need of attention from the "reflections" department, but at least she, well, um... good grief. Can't think of anything positive to say, heh heh.
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oenophile
A very virile 52.
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Well, she must have been older than I thought she was at the time.
I'm also a viral 52.
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You probably made her day with that statement, Pirate.
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She may print this thread out, highlight that and post it in her office.
Her five years are up, aren't they? How is she going to spin this so that she can continue living off the backs of the kool-aid drinkers?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again...
What the heck qualifies her to lead?
She's had a broken marriage. Broken family. Little is known about her sons, if anything. She hasn't brought a ****load of people to the Word. She isn't getting major revelation on exciting new ways to lead the ministry. She isn't doing anything to help it grow. Review of STS and Way Rags show there isn't any hot Bible coming outta HQ. She's a facade, window dressing, a talking head, if you will, for a dead. DEAD. Dead. Very dead ministry. And if you look up the qualification for a minister in Timothy, her picture isn't exactly in the book, if you know what I mean.
Hell, there's more excitement and action in my cat's litterbox than there is in TWI - not to mention the litterbox smells better!
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