You would think there would be much outrage from a group supposedly started to protect our liberties. The American Civil Liberties Union has weighted in quite heavily on this issue of molesting our children, and found very much wanting.
They represent in court a group of perverts known as the North American Man Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. These sickos advocate changing our laws to allow men to sexually abuse and molest boys. Men and boys having sexually relations is normal in their eyes.
And the ACLU has chosen to represent them in court. So I would not expect much indignation from them.
The problem is that many believe homosexuality is a sexual perverson, and wrong.
Then they lump all sexual preversons together.
I do not believe homosexuality is neccesarily child molestation.
In our society youth is glorified as a prize so to have a mate that is young is prized by some. Men do it with young "arm candy" and get glory for it. An older man with a young girl not a child is considered oh lala lucky him , by many here , same with women but not as common. It is the same with homo's as it is a society acceptance of such . This does not mean all Hetro's have young girl friends or wifes or want them nor do all Homo's.
A homosexual relationship does not mean to me a VICTIM is involved. In other words a crime victim.
but because they can the perverts or criminals involved sexualy with minors ride this "freedom" train. In other words the politcal scream of being unjust and not understanding of minority sexual attractions wins bigger than the screams of the innocent, so they mix.
I think it is as unfair to call all homosexuals child molesters or that they agree with abuse. it is also unfair to claim all men hetro want a child as a sexual partner. I see no difference.
A person sexualy attracted to children should be in a class by themself but because our culture will not allow it and still rate homosexuality as a perversion and not accepted as "norm" they get rated amoung them and at times endorsed. sheer numbers count in the politcal game and the number of Child molesters are high but even less visable than homosexuality so it turns into a win situation for both .
laws are in place to state such, so they need to hook on to a more accepted and gaining practice such as homosexuality to have the power without the face.
creepy I think.
I think some would accept homosexuality more IF this was not the case but to remove the links is nearly impossible without those whose number are high and increasing claiming discrimination, they stay silent on who they are in both groups for the most part only reveal to their own, child molestersmuch more than homosexual because it is vastly Illegal on top of immoral but it is still common for homosexual to be"in the closet" so an acceptance is granted.
I do not know the facts for the number of hetro vs. homo child molesters. I suppose it may be LESS in the homosexual population as they are a minority .
YET I know of zero hetro's that allow child molesters in the political base line agenda, it would be suicide.
Personly I would NEVER trust somone who has admited or been caught sexualy attracted to a child.
I do not believe it is normal I think it is criminal and a perversion and I believe they will do just about anything to get those who will to trust they are not sick pieces of crap.
they spend their life firguring out how NOT to get caught.
no way would I ever consider one capable of not lusting again.
maybe not getting caught but not lusting no not ever.
What does this have to do with homosexuality? We are talking about pedophiles. Who said anything about homosexuality?
Mj - you know from other discussions, that my daughter is gay. Why would you bring this up in this thread? I am going to take a wild guess that most pedophiles are heterosexual.
This thread is about contacting your congressmen and being as outraged as people were when we watched the Terri Schaivo thing. Where are all the protestors? Where is the religious right on this. Oh that's right, the UNIVERSAL church just moves the pedophiles from parish to parish.
This has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is stereotypes such as that, that harms this society.
Some things I've learned about this since working at a school.
#1 Listen to what is said-listen for key words like kill and related words coming out of their mouths.
#2 Consider any past experiences a person has gone through such as hallucinations, hearing voices that tell them to do things. And thoughts of people being after them.
#3 Tell someone about it! Either the parents or the Principal or the police or all three.
We are very overprotective of our kids. Which is a good thing I think. Our kids know it too and we've told them that this is just the way it is-you have "overprotective" parents. And they accept it.
It's not fear - it's just doing everything possible to stop a bad thing happening.
You would think there would be much outrage from a group supposedly started to protect our liberties. The American Civil Liberties Union has weighted in quite heavily on this issue of molesting our children, and found very much wanting.
They represent in court a group of perverts known as the North American Man Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. These sickos advocate changing our laws to allow men to sexually abuse and molest boys. Men and boys having sexually relations is normal in their eyes.
And the ACLU has chosen to represent them in court. So I would not expect much indignation from them.
this is the connection I made.
child molestation is illegal, so the base line is the homosexual liberty that needs defending.
trust me I do not keep track of who is or who is not homosexual on Greasespot the only one I "remember" is homosexual is Trefor who speaks of it often .
They weren't at all defensive, mj. They were pointing out that what you said was unrelated to the topic and wrongly associated homosexuality with MEN kidnapping, raping, and killing GIRLS.
IF IF IF a child molester get out of prison and not executed {witch is what i think should happen to the low life bastards} they should have a micro chip installed in their body and be castrated!! i hope this is not to strong but i hate the bastards
I was not attempting to link homosexuality and child molestation. The question was brought forth of where is the outrage and indignation when this heinous crime is committed against our children?
I was making the point you would not find the ACLU outraged because of their defense of the North American Man Boy Love Association. NAMBLA supports men sexually abusing and molesting young boys.
What is the deal with this latest spat of child molestors, kidnapping and killing OUR children? Yes, we as a society need to step up and speak out to our law-makers regarding this heinous crime against "our" children.
One child raped and/or murdered is one too many. Here in Houston, a baby was murdered recently when some @$$hole apparently shot up the vehicle he was in with his dad and sister right after they went for ice cream.
However, I'm not sure that these things are happening any more than usual. The media like to latch onto "themes" that they can present as an epidemic, which then generates more talk about that theme and makes more news. I would guess that these types of tragedies happen just as often now as they have every year for the past years indefinitely. It's just that right now the media want to put it in our faces to get us to watch their shows, and patronize their advertisers.
As far as what to do with these guys, I wish there was a punishment fitting for them, but even death is too good for them.
They represent in court a group of perverts known as the North American Man Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. These sickos advocate changing our laws to allow men to sexually abuse and molest boys. Men and boys having sexually relations is normal in their eyes.
And the ACLU has chosen to represent them in court. So I would not expect much indignation from them.
Actually, you have a wrong understanding of what the ACLU is doing. Rather than try to defend them myself, I'll just post their explanation from their own site:
quote:
NEW YORK--In the United States Supreme Court over the past few years, the American Civil Liberties Union has taken the side of a fundamentalist Christian church, a Santerian church, and the International Society for Krishna Consciousness. In celebrated cases, the ACLU has stood up for everyone from Oliver North to the National Socialist Party. In spite of all that, the ACLU has never advocated Christianity, ritual animal sacrifice, trading arms for hostages or genocide. In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech. The case is based on a shocking murder. But the lawsuit says the crime is the responsibility not of those who committed the murder, but of someone who posted vile material on the Internet. The principle is as simple as it is central to true freedom of speech: those who do wrong are responsible for what they do; those who speak about it are not.
It is easy to defend freedom of speech when the message is something many people find at least reasonable. But the defense of freedom of speech is most critical when the message is one most people find repulsive. That was true when the Nazis marched in Skokie. It remains true today.
I think that the specific of what they are defending is similar in some ways to how people are suing gun manufacturers when a murder is committed with a handgun. They are not advocating NAMBLA in any way, just trying to avoid a precedent being set that could be used against the free speech of anyone. Imagine if your church were sued if they were to have an internet site that said atheists are bad. Free speech is free speech, and criminals are criminals. You can't punish the first, and you should punish the latter.
Actually, prison doesn't help them at all for the most part. Also unfortunately, child molesters have a really huge chance of doing it again if they are released back into the public.
If there were a pill that someone could take and it would prevent them from ever being attracted to a child again, then that would be great and we could cure them. Unfortunately, we don't really have a reliable way of curing them right now, and because they have such a high chance of doing it again we can't trust them in public.
I do not support NAMBLA nor do I want to derail this thread. If someone wants to start one go right ahead.
but to be clear...
from HAMBLA's home page:
quote:
We condemn sexual abuse and all forms of coercion. Freely-chosen relationships differ from unwanted sex.
and from the ACLU's website:
quote:
In representing NAMBLA today, our Massachusetts affiliate does not advocate sexual relationships between adults and children.
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech.
If there is evidence to the contrary, we can discuss it on another thread.
Concerning the topic at hand, I think that murder deserves death, child molestation deserves death, I can't say that kidnapping deserves death outright, depends on the circumstances I guess.
I don't agree with paying taxes to feed, house, clothe, bathe, educate, and supply recreation for any sick, wacked out, freak of a human.
Having said that, I know that pedophelia is not about sex for the criminal. It is a mental problem. Problems with power and control. I have a hard time, though, deciding whether these people deserve treatment. Untill then, I say, fry thier asses.
This is a question I have been trying to understand for a while now. This past winter a young girl was taken from her gandmother's home, about three blocks from my house, and murdered.
The deal is, for some reason, which I cannot even begin to understand, we allow violent offenders back out on the streets in a relatively short amount of time. When someone gets 10 years in prison, they are usually out in 5.
Do you have a "courts" section in your local paper? Read it sometime, you will be appalled. Over and over again I see people getting 10, 15 years for drug related crimes and breaking and entering. But someone who is charged with domestic assault or assault and battery is out in a few months.
Please, do send letters to your congressmen.
And for you overprotective parents (of which I one too) you should know that statistically speaking, most kidnapping and sexual molestation cases do not occur between a stranger and your child. Your child is FAR more likely to be molested by someone you know than a stranger.
There are some great books out there on how to protect your children from the "stranger" you trust. One of them, which I am reading now (thank you again ExC) is called "Protecting the Gift" and is written by an FBI agent named Gavin DeBecker.
I manage an apartment complex and the other morning the police came to my door at 6:30 am needing to get into a unit. They told me the mother had left her 2 year old all night and someone had called after hearing the child cry at length. I had to call the maintenance guy to go over to the complex and let the police in. She went to jail when she came home.
My child is 15 and I would not leave her alone all night, maybe up to midnight or one or so, but not the entire night. I can't even imagine leaving a 2 year old. I am very over-protective too I guess, but gosh in today's world, they are being snatched right out of their bedrooms. You have to be. As Abagail stated: most are known to the family in one way or the other. Nowadays, you probably need to do a back ground check on someone you might want to date (if you are a single parent).
What the ACLU does advocate is robust freedom of speech for everyone. The lawsuit involved here, were it to succeed, would strike at the heart of freedom of speech.
Keyword = "robust". :(-->
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As an added thought....
Where is the righteous indignation that we saw with Terri Schaivo?
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You would think there would be much outrage from a group supposedly started to protect our liberties. The American Civil Liberties Union has weighted in quite heavily on this issue of molesting our children, and found very much wanting.
They represent in court a group of perverts known as the North American Man Boy Love Association, or NAMBLA. These sickos advocate changing our laws to allow men to sexually abuse and molest boys. Men and boys having sexually relations is normal in their eyes.
And the ACLU has chosen to represent them in court. So I would not expect much indignation from them.
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The problem is that many believe homosexuality is a sexual perverson, and wrong.
Then they lump all sexual preversons together.
I do not believe homosexuality is neccesarily child molestation.
In our society youth is glorified as a prize so to have a mate that is young is prized by some. Men do it with young "arm candy" and get glory for it. An older man with a young girl not a child is considered oh lala lucky him , by many here , same with women but not as common. It is the same with homo's as it is a society acceptance of such . This does not mean all Hetro's have young girl friends or wifes or want them nor do all Homo's.
A homosexual relationship does not mean to me a VICTIM is involved. In other words a crime victim.
but because they can the perverts or criminals involved sexualy with minors ride this "freedom" train. In other words the politcal scream of being unjust and not understanding of minority sexual attractions wins bigger than the screams of the innocent, so they mix.
I think it is as unfair to call all homosexuals child molesters or that they agree with abuse. it is also unfair to claim all men hetro want a child as a sexual partner. I see no difference.
A person sexualy attracted to children should be in a class by themself but because our culture will not allow it and still rate homosexuality as a perversion and not accepted as "norm" they get rated amoung them and at times endorsed. sheer numbers count in the politcal game and the number of Child molesters are high but even less visable than homosexuality so it turns into a win situation for both .
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a prison class preferably...
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Some can beat that lust without prison though.
I've seen it happen.
It's a crime to mess with kids like that.
And should always be.
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I think most not involved in such , would agree.
laws are in place to state such, so they need to hook on to a more accepted and gaining practice such as homosexuality to have the power without the face.
creepy I think.
I think some would accept homosexuality more IF this was not the case but to remove the links is nearly impossible without those whose number are high and increasing claiming discrimination, they stay silent on who they are in both groups for the most part only reveal to their own, child molestersmuch more than homosexual because it is vastly Illegal on top of immoral but it is still common for homosexual to be"in the closet" so an acceptance is granted.
I do not know the facts for the number of hetro vs. homo child molesters. I suppose it may be LESS in the homosexual population as they are a minority .
YET I know of zero hetro's that allow child molesters in the political base line agenda, it would be suicide.
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see it happen?
few see a victim till it is to late.
Personly I would NEVER trust somone who has admited or been caught sexualy attracted to a child.
I do not believe it is normal I think it is criminal and a perversion and I believe they will do just about anything to get those who will to trust they are not sick pieces of crap.
they spend their life firguring out how NOT to get caught.
no way would I ever consider one capable of not lusting again.
maybe not getting caught but not lusting no not ever.
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What does this have to do with homosexuality? We are talking about pedophiles. Who said anything about homosexuality?
Mj - you know from other discussions, that my daughter is gay. Why would you bring this up in this thread? I am going to take a wild guess that most pedophiles are heterosexual.
This thread is about contacting your congressmen and being as outraged as people were when we watched the Terri Schaivo thing. Where are all the protestors? Where is the religious right on this. Oh that's right, the UNIVERSAL church just moves the pedophiles from parish to parish.
This has nothing to do with homosexuality. It is stereotypes such as that, that harms this society.
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Some things I've learned about this since working at a school.
#1 Listen to what is said-listen for key words like kill and related words coming out of their mouths.
#2 Consider any past experiences a person has gone through such as hallucinations, hearing voices that tell them to do things. And thoughts of people being after them.
#3 Tell someone about it! Either the parents or the Principal or the police or all three.
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not ready to read this yet, too sad
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We are very overprotective of our kids. Which is a good thing I think. Our kids know it too and we've told them that this is just the way it is-you have "overprotective" parents. And they accept it.
It's not fear - it's just doing everything possible to stop a bad thing happening.
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this is the connection I made.
child molestation is illegal, so the base line is the homosexual liberty that needs defending.
trust me I do not keep track of who is or who is not homosexual on Greasespot the only one I "remember" is homosexual is Trefor who speaks of it often .
a little defensive ?
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They weren't at all defensive, mj. They were pointing out that what you said was unrelated to the topic and wrongly associated homosexuality with MEN kidnapping, raping, and killing GIRLS.
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IF IF IF a child molester get out of prison and not executed {witch is what i think should happen to the low life bastards} they should have a micro chip installed in their body and be castrated!! i hope this is not to strong but i hate the bastards
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I was not attempting to link homosexuality and child molestation. The question was brought forth of where is the outrage and indignation when this heinous crime is committed against our children?
I was making the point you would not find the ACLU outraged because of their defense of the North American Man Boy Love Association. NAMBLA supports men sexually abusing and molesting young boys.
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One child raped and/or murdered is one too many. Here in Houston, a baby was murdered recently when some @$$hole apparently shot up the vehicle he was in with his dad and sister right after they went for ice cream.
However, I'm not sure that these things are happening any more than usual. The media like to latch onto "themes" that they can present as an epidemic, which then generates more talk about that theme and makes more news. I would guess that these types of tragedies happen just as often now as they have every year for the past years indefinitely. It's just that right now the media want to put it in our faces to get us to watch their shows, and patronize their advertisers.
As far as what to do with these guys, I wish there was a punishment fitting for them, but even death is too good for them.
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Actually, you have a wrong understanding of what the ACLU is doing. Rather than try to defend them myself, I'll just post their explanation from their own site:
I think that the specific of what they are defending is similar in some ways to how people are suing gun manufacturers when a murder is committed with a handgun. They are not advocating NAMBLA in any way, just trying to avoid a precedent being set that could be used against the free speech of anyone. Imagine if your church were sued if they were to have an internet site that said atheists are bad. Free speech is free speech, and criminals are criminals. You can't punish the first, and you should punish the latter.
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Actually, prison doesn't help them at all for the most part. Also unfortunately, child molesters have a really huge chance of doing it again if they are released back into the public.
If there were a pill that someone could take and it would prevent them from ever being attracted to a child again, then that would be great and we could cure them. Unfortunately, we don't really have a reliable way of curing them right now, and because they have such a high chance of doing it again we can't trust them in public.
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I do not support NAMBLA nor do I want to derail this thread. If someone wants to start one go right ahead.
but to be clear...
from HAMBLA's home page:
and from the ACLU's website:
If there is evidence to the contrary, we can discuss it on another thread.
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I guess we were posting at the same time, P Mosh.
yeah, what he said.
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Concerning the topic at hand, I think that murder deserves death, child molestation deserves death, I can't say that kidnapping deserves death outright, depends on the circumstances I guess.
I don't agree with paying taxes to feed, house, clothe, bathe, educate, and supply recreation for any sick, wacked out, freak of a human.
Having said that, I know that pedophelia is not about sex for the criminal. It is a mental problem. Problems with power and control. I have a hard time, though, deciding whether these people deserve treatment. Untill then, I say, fry thier asses.
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This is a question I have been trying to understand for a while now. This past winter a young girl was taken from her gandmother's home, about three blocks from my house, and murdered.
The deal is, for some reason, which I cannot even begin to understand, we allow violent offenders back out on the streets in a relatively short amount of time. When someone gets 10 years in prison, they are usually out in 5.
Do you have a "courts" section in your local paper? Read it sometime, you will be appalled. Over and over again I see people getting 10, 15 years for drug related crimes and breaking and entering. But someone who is charged with domestic assault or assault and battery is out in a few months.
Please, do send letters to your congressmen.
And for you overprotective parents (of which I one too) you should know that statistically speaking, most kidnapping and sexual molestation cases do not occur between a stranger and your child. Your child is FAR more likely to be molested by someone you know than a stranger.
There are some great books out there on how to protect your children from the "stranger" you trust. One of them, which I am reading now (thank you again ExC) is called "Protecting the Gift" and is written by an FBI agent named Gavin DeBecker.
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I manage an apartment complex and the other morning the police came to my door at 6:30 am needing to get into a unit. They told me the mother had left her 2 year old all night and someone had called after hearing the child cry at length. I had to call the maintenance guy to go over to the complex and let the police in. She went to jail when she came home.
My child is 15 and I would not leave her alone all night, maybe up to midnight or one or so, but not the entire night. I can't even imagine leaving a 2 year old. I am very over-protective too I guess, but gosh in today's world, they are being snatched right out of their bedrooms. You have to be. As Abagail stated: most are known to the family in one way or the other. Nowadays, you probably need to do a back ground check on someone you might want to date (if you are a single parent).
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Keyword = "robust".
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For sure we need to, cause the ACLU never will.
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