I wasn't serious about your degree, as I'd hoped you could tell. My point was how ridiculous it is to make personal attacks about someone you don't know just because you disagree. I was a horticulture major, how worthless is that? But if you need to know how far apart to plant carrots, I'm the man.
I still don't see how leaning very close to the monitor is going to help me understand better. It just makes my hair stand up and the words get blurry.
You seemed to say some sensible things about earthquakes not being weather events, so maybe there is still hope for you.
You survived the storm? Where were you? Or did you already tell this story?
rhino, Raf survived the part of Katrina that went through Florida the week before...
you boys need to get together for those beers... I have met Raf and he is a reporter... he reported on that waitress and that waitress over there... oh... and that one over there...
See, this is why I have a *very* skeptical point of view regarding all the song-and-dance about "The Big, Bad Media" or "The Leftist Socialist (or Right Wing Corporate for that matter) Media", or yadayadayada. All that claptrap basically shows that, while it might, *might*, make some valid points about various faults various individuals in the media might have (including the ones where those individuals pay more attention to the ratings than to their integrity), all those valid points are drowned (pardon the phrase) in the overdone hype and bull..... :P-->
Basically all that aforementioned claptrap is usually (altho' not always) made by folks who get mad when *The Media* says something that skewers their sacred cows of their own beliefs. Shame on them!
Ohmigosh. I live in Houston. Our city is getting busloads of people who have virtually no place to go. The Astrodome filled up alot quicker than expected, there is no more room. And people are still arriving by the busload.
Most of those arriving are in dire need of medical, including psychiatric care. Please pray for us. Our churches are opening up and giving as much as they can, but the need is overwhelming.
Please pray for us. That we can offer the care and shelter that these people need.
I know what you mean mysisterEx10... we've already got 10,000 here with more on the way... Reunion is full, although in the end I think they'll be able to put more in there... they're putting them in the convention centers (downtown and in the suburbs). Both cities and the connecting suburbs are opening all their shelters and buildings of size... I understand that San Antonio is going to get a sizable amount of refugees as well...
I will say that the response of the community here has been heartwarming... finally a ray of hope for these folks... I can't begin to imagine what it's like to lose everything as these folks have... but maybe it can be a new beginning for them, maybe it can be a catalyst to start a new life...
Hi, I thought I'd stop in since this is an emergency and these people need all of our help.
No matter where you are, and no matter how much you can spare, please make a donation to the red cross at http://www.redcross.org/. I know some are skeptical about what percentage goes to the actual people and blah blah blah, but there's no time for that B.S. right now. The Red Cross is in the best position to help people right now, and money is the best way to do it. Sending food and water is nice, but it's better to let the Red Cross do it (plus they get it cheaper and can avoid taxes, so the money goes a lot further and can buy more. Donate however much you can. You can even donate airline miles.
Secondly, if you can house someone and feel comfortable doing it, please go to either http://hurricanehousing.org/ or http://neworleans.craigslist.com/ and offer your extra space. Not everyone can do this, which is understandable, but if you can I am sure they would appreciate it.
Finally, if you are in Texas, get your butt somewhere to volunteer to help people. If you are in Dallas call the Red Cross at one of the following numbers:
(214) 678-4800
(972) 241-4483
(214) 877-1551
If you are in Houston, go to the Main Street/Yellow Lot at Reliant Park. If you just show up, they will be glad to take you. You can also go to the George R Brown Convention Center at the Polk Street parking lot. Also check out http://volunteerhouston.org/ to see if there is anything there, and The Houston Food Bank. If you care about pets, please find some way to either donate to or house pets for The Houston SPCA. Also, if you go to a church, you should contact them to see what they are doing. Don't wait for Sunday, the sooner the better.
If you are in Austin, San Antonio, or any of the smaller cities, be sure to contact or show up at your local Red Cross to volunteer as well. I don't really have much information on those so you'll have to find it yourself.
I have a lot of thoughts about this whole thing, but right now is not the time to look at who is to blame for what, complain about the rescue operation, and whether or not or how New Orleans should be rebuilt. This isn't the time for politics and finger pointing. People are still dying from this, and we need to get to work as Americans to help who we can. Please do something.
Anyway, I'm out of here again, but if you're in the Houston area you might see me Sunday or Monday if you volunteer down at Reliant Stadium or the Astrodome. My wife and I are wanting to go both days, but we'll see how much we can take after Sunday. A friend of mine already volunteered and said that it's really heartbreaking to see how much those people have suffered.
I have a lot of thoughts about this whole thing, but right now is not the time to look at who is to blame for what, complain about the rescue operation, and whether or not or how New Orleans should be rebuilt. This isn't the time for politics and finger pointing. People are still dying from this, and we need to get to work as Americans to help who we can. Please do something.
Mr. P-mosh --- Thanks for this. I'm glad you see beyond the political crap, and can see the humanitarian side of it.
God bless, and God speed in your effort to help. :)-->
You survived the storm? Where were you? Or did you already tell this story?
First off, bygones. The whole argument got out of hand and I'm sorry. My only point was supposed to be that this storm is going to be a lot uglier than we even know at the moment. I've heard some people say some pretty uninformed things, which may turn out to be true in the future, but don't need to be said until we have more information (like the U.S. Senator who said the bodycount will be more than 10,000, then said he wasn't basing this on any information. Dude, if it's not based on information, shut up, Senator)!
Anyway, as my posts indicate, I live in Fort Lauderdale, where Katrina came on land as a cat 1 on Aug. 25. And yes, I did already tell this story. Every time you see a thread title with the word "Cone" in it, it's about a Tropical Storm or Hurricane, and I started it. The Cone of Katrina thread is now called "Prayers for the Gulf Coast (Katrina)." No question, I consider myself lucky to have escaped as unscathed as I did, even for South Florida.
rhino, Raf survived the part of Katrina that went through Florida the week before...
you boys need to get together for those beers... I have met Raf and he is a reporter... he reported on that waitress and that waitress over there... oh... and that one over there...
Although I often get on here to post a bit of levity, this time I'd like to post a serious message. At this moment, Im pulling 12 hr night duty on Maxwell Air Force Base, AL, running a communications van as hundreds of semis are rolling onto an airfield full of ice, water, meals, tarps, and other emergency supplies, getting ready to roll into the damage zones as they become accessible.
The media has portrayed this event as a monumental screwup on the part of the President, or even racially motivated, but in my eyes, I see hundreds of federal employees working 24 hours a day, getting things ready. We began to mobilize before the hurricane even hit, but the general public doesn't understand the time it takes to fully mobilize supplies and personnel for this emormous mission.
I take offense with anyone saying that the efforts were affected by matters of race or class. I didn't ask the skin color of the victims before departing for this location. The sheer fact that the people of New Orleans didn't or couldn't evacuate is a shame, but any community in the country would have had the same ratio of the poor, elderly and homeless which would have been effected by a major disaster.
America IS responding, millions of dollars are being donated, and millions of supplies are now arriving. I am proud of the response of our country in this terrible time of need!
I'm proud of everyone who's working so tirelessly, from the military to the citizen volunteers to the neighbors helping neighbors. And I know more help is pouring in now, which is very heartening.
In addition to the Red Cross,USA Freedom Corps, Catholic Charities and many, many other international and national charities involved in the relief effort, here's one in Baton Rouge that may be of interest to Greasespotters:
The Baton Rouge Area Foundation has established two funds designated to benefit those impacted by Hurricane Katrina:
The Hurricane Katrina Displaced Residents Fund will benefit those individuals evacuated to Baton Rouge from the hurricane impacted areas in Greater New Orleans, who are now unable to return for what maybe an extended period.
The Hurricane Katrina New Orleans Recovery Fund will focus on the rebuilding of infrastructure to provide basic human services to residents of these devastated areas.
If you would like to make a secure financial donation to one or both of these funds using your credit card, simply click here.
Health and Human Services Secretary Michael Leavitt said Sunday the death toll from Hurricane Katrina and its aftermath is in the thousands, the first time a federal official has acknowledged what many had feared.
Leavitt said he couldn't provide a precise number on the impact of the devastation, but when asked if it was in the thousands, he told CNN's "Late Edition," "I think it's evident it's in the thousands."
"It's clear to me that this has been sickeningly difficult, and profoundly tragic circumstance," Leavitt said.
Earlier in the day, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff had declined to estimate the death toll, but conceded that an untold number of people could have perished in swamped homes and temporary shelters where many went for days without food or water.
"I think we need to prepare the country for what's coming," Chertoff said. "What's going to happen when we de-water and remove the water from New Orleans is we're going to uncover people who died, maybe hiding in houses, got caught by the flood, people whose remains are going to be found in the streets. ... It is going to be about as ugly of a scene as I think you can imagine."
60 Minutes just did an interview with the Mayor of N.O.
He was very crtical of president Bush but has since apolgized and said in the show He was not himself and didntmean it and is now happy to have 80 % of the refugee's out of the city.
When asked about the # of deaths this is how he explained it.
they counted the ones who left before the storm.
he counted the refugee's left IN N. O. and the ones who have leftin the buses they accounted for many who decided to stay the ones they have spoken to . most have been contacted.
IT leaves 50 thousand missing souls.
The number was 50 THOUSAND missing. He then said pick a number 5% 10 % he asked the interviewer to take a guess.
he didnt.
Im shocked. I do believe it will in the thousands .
I guess we'll really know how many before it's all over. Though it will never be all over. As I heard today, we need to realize we will have a NEW NORMAL. Things will never be normal again here in Baton Rouge or surrounding areas. Although New Orleans is getting most of the coverage, many other Louisiana communities are shut down. No hope for power for 2 to 2-1/2 months. Kids need to go to school. People need jobs, people need housing. Baton Rouge alone has probably doubled in population this past week. I seriously wonder if we can hold that many people. I am sickened by the news updates and the racial overtones that have popped up. The clear fact of the matter is New Orleans had a huge poverty population. The people who didn't evacuate were mostly the poor, the sick, the helpless, the homeless. And, of course, the thick-headed. Overwhelming? Absolutely!! But someone "in charge" better realize that putting these refugees in a chair is no more than a band-aid. Has anyone addressed the issue of how many people are de-toxing right now? How desperate people are and will become? People are not only homeless, they are jobless, too. What of people who have no knowing of God and His Word?
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Aside from the part I lived through, no. We'll be covering the refugees when they arrive here in South Florida.
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raf,
I wasn't serious about your degree, as I'd hoped you could tell. My point was how ridiculous it is to make personal attacks about someone you don't know just because you disagree. I was a horticulture major, how worthless is that? But if you need to know how far apart to plant carrots, I'm the man.
I still don't see how leaning very close to the monitor is going to help me understand better. It just makes my hair stand up and the words get blurry.
You seemed to say some sensible things about earthquakes not being weather events, so maybe there is still hope for you.
You survived the storm? Where were you? Or did you already tell this story?
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Ha! That wasn't a personal attack, that was friendly advice.
:)-->
Advice that a parent might give a wayward child;
Advice that a teacher might give to a student;
Advice to check out what was said a little closer, in case you missed something.
Things like that.
But a *personal attack*??
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Not in my book.
David
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rhino, Raf survived the part of Katrina that went through Florida the week before...
you boys need to get together for those beers... I have met Raf and he is a reporter... he reported on that waitress and that waitress over there... oh... and that one over there...
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well he did...
OK... back to the topic...
have any of you looked in on the blog that jim provided a link to on the "chaos" thread? pretty wild stuff...
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Tom!!!
You're pushing beers now instead of sno-cones!?!?!
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See, this is why I have a *very* skeptical point of view regarding all the song-and-dance about "The Big, Bad Media" or "The Leftist Socialist (or Right Wing Corporate for that matter) Media", or yadayadayada. All that claptrap basically shows that, while it might, *might*, make some valid points about various faults various individuals in the media might have (including the ones where those individuals pay more attention to the ratings than to their integrity), all those valid points are drowned (pardon the phrase) in the overdone hype and bull.....
:P-->
Basically all that aforementioned claptrap is usually (altho' not always) made by folks who get mad when *The Media* says something that skewers their sacred cows of their own beliefs.
Shame on them!
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Ohmigosh. I live in Houston. Our city is getting busloads of people who have virtually no place to go. The Astrodome filled up alot quicker than expected, there is no more room. And people are still arriving by the busload.
Most of those arriving are in dire need of medical, including psychiatric care. Please pray for us. Our churches are opening up and giving as much as they can, but the need is overwhelming.
Please pray for us. That we can offer the care and shelter that these people need.
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Big Thanks to all you people in Houston who are opening up your city, your churches , your homes , and your lives....
will do
but know that Its not ALL up to you guys
Have you seen This?
Craigslist has over 70,000 rooms and all sorts of services available
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I know what you mean mysisterEx10... we've already got 10,000 here with more on the way... Reunion is full, although in the end I think they'll be able to put more in there... they're putting them in the convention centers (downtown and in the suburbs). Both cities and the connecting suburbs are opening all their shelters and buildings of size... I understand that San Antonio is going to get a sizable amount of refugees as well...
I will say that the response of the community here has been heartwarming... finally a ray of hope for these folks... I can't begin to imagine what it's like to lose everything as these folks have... but maybe it can be a new beginning for them, maybe it can be a catalyst to start a new life...
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Ex10 --- Will do. It's about all I can do. Thank you to you and the other people of your community who are trying to help, in this time of need.
David
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Hi, I thought I'd stop in since this is an emergency and these people need all of our help.
No matter where you are, and no matter how much you can spare, please make a donation to the red cross at http://www.redcross.org/. I know some are skeptical about what percentage goes to the actual people and blah blah blah, but there's no time for that B.S. right now. The Red Cross is in the best position to help people right now, and money is the best way to do it. Sending food and water is nice, but it's better to let the Red Cross do it (plus they get it cheaper and can avoid taxes, so the money goes a lot further and can buy more. Donate however much you can. You can even donate airline miles.
Secondly, if you can house someone and feel comfortable doing it, please go to either http://hurricanehousing.org/ or http://neworleans.craigslist.com/ and offer your extra space. Not everyone can do this, which is understandable, but if you can I am sure they would appreciate it.
Finally, if you are in Texas, get your butt somewhere to volunteer to help people. If you are in Dallas call the Red Cross at one of the following numbers:
(214) 678-4800
(972) 241-4483
(214) 877-1551
If you are in Houston, go to the Main Street/Yellow Lot at Reliant Park. If you just show up, they will be glad to take you. You can also go to the George R Brown Convention Center at the Polk Street parking lot. Also check out http://volunteerhouston.org/ to see if there is anything there, and The Houston Food Bank. If you care about pets, please find some way to either donate to or house pets for The Houston SPCA. Also, if you go to a church, you should contact them to see what they are doing. Don't wait for Sunday, the sooner the better.
If you are in Austin, San Antonio, or any of the smaller cities, be sure to contact or show up at your local Red Cross to volunteer as well. I don't really have much information on those so you'll have to find it yourself.
I have a lot of thoughts about this whole thing, but right now is not the time to look at who is to blame for what, complain about the rescue operation, and whether or not or how New Orleans should be rebuilt. This isn't the time for politics and finger pointing. People are still dying from this, and we need to get to work as Americans to help who we can. Please do something.
Anyway, I'm out of here again, but if you're in the Houston area you might see me Sunday or Monday if you volunteer down at Reliant Stadium or the Astrodome. My wife and I are wanting to go both days, but we'll see how much we can take after Sunday. A friend of mine already volunteered and said that it's really heartbreaking to see how much those people have suffered.
Ciao.
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Mr. P-mosh --- Thanks for this. I'm glad you see beyond the political crap, and can see the humanitarian side of it.
God bless, and God speed in your effort to help.
:)-->
David
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my home town ran a telethon. in just one evening of calls we have raised One million two hundred thousand dollars.
Im proud.
not to make it polical but FEMA has even said they will take this as a bite in the foot because of their inability to get the help in time.
we all think of the attacks of terror lead by hate groups this speak volumes on how we could handle a grand scale attack on America.
scary indeed.
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Yes, the question is, What would Al Gore do?
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First off, bygones. The whole argument got out of hand and I'm sorry. My only point was supposed to be that this storm is going to be a lot uglier than we even know at the moment. I've heard some people say some pretty uninformed things, which may turn out to be true in the future, but don't need to be said until we have more information (like the U.S. Senator who said the bodycount will be more than 10,000, then said he wasn't basing this on any information. Dude, if it's not based on information, shut up, Senator)!
Anyway, as my posts indicate, I live in Fort Lauderdale, where Katrina came on land as a cat 1 on Aug. 25. And yes, I did already tell this story. Every time you see a thread title with the word "Cone" in it, it's about a Tropical Storm or Hurricane, and I started it. The Cone of Katrina thread is now called "Prayers for the Gulf Coast (Katrina)." No question, I consider myself lucky to have escaped as unscathed as I did, even for South Florida.
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God Bless Texas.
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Although I often get on here to post a bit of levity, this time I'd like to post a serious message. At this moment, Im pulling 12 hr night duty on Maxwell Air Force Base, AL, running a communications van as hundreds of semis are rolling onto an airfield full of ice, water, meals, tarps, and other emergency supplies, getting ready to roll into the damage zones as they become accessible.
The media has portrayed this event as a monumental screwup on the part of the President, or even racially motivated, but in my eyes, I see hundreds of federal employees working 24 hours a day, getting things ready. We began to mobilize before the hurricane even hit, but the general public doesn't understand the time it takes to fully mobilize supplies and personnel for this emormous mission.
I take offense with anyone saying that the efforts were affected by matters of race or class. I didn't ask the skin color of the victims before departing for this location. The sheer fact that the people of New Orleans didn't or couldn't evacuate is a shame, but any community in the country would have had the same ratio of the poor, elderly and homeless which would have been effected by a major disaster.
America IS responding, millions of dollars are being donated, and millions of supplies are now arriving. I am proud of the response of our country in this terrible time of need!
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Thanks, Digger, for firsthand info.
I'm proud of everyone who's working so tirelessly, from the military to the citizen volunteers to the neighbors helping neighbors. And I know more help is pouring in now, which is very heartening.
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In addition to the Red Cross,USA Freedom Corps, Catholic Charities and many, many other international and national charities involved in the relief effort, here's one in Baton Rouge that may be of interest to Greasespotters:
Baton Rouge Area Foundation Hurricane Relief Fund
J.
The Baton Rouge Area Foundation has established two funds designated to benefit those impacted by Hurricane Katrina:
The Hurricane Katrina Displaced Residents Fund will benefit those individuals evacuated to Baton Rouge from the hurricane impacted areas in Greater New Orleans, who are now unable to return for what maybe an extended period.
The Hurricane Katrina New Orleans Recovery Fund will focus on the rebuilding of infrastructure to provide basic human services to residents of these devastated areas.
If you would like to make a secure financial donation to one or both of these funds using your credit card, simply click here.
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From the Associated Press:
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60 Minutes just did an interview with the Mayor of N.O.
He was very crtical of president Bush but has since apolgized and said in the show He was not himself and didntmean it and is now happy to have 80 % of the refugee's out of the city.
When asked about the # of deaths this is how he explained it.
they counted the ones who left before the storm.
he counted the refugee's left IN N. O. and the ones who have leftin the buses they accounted for many who decided to stay the ones they have spoken to . most have been contacted.
IT leaves 50 thousand missing souls.
The number was 50 THOUSAND missing. He then said pick a number 5% 10 % he asked the interviewer to take a guess.
he didnt.
Im shocked. I do believe it will in the thousands .
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I guess we'll really know how many before it's all over. Though it will never be all over. As I heard today, we need to realize we will have a NEW NORMAL. Things will never be normal again here in Baton Rouge or surrounding areas. Although New Orleans is getting most of the coverage, many other Louisiana communities are shut down. No hope for power for 2 to 2-1/2 months. Kids need to go to school. People need jobs, people need housing. Baton Rouge alone has probably doubled in population this past week. I seriously wonder if we can hold that many people. I am sickened by the news updates and the racial overtones that have popped up. The clear fact of the matter is New Orleans had a huge poverty population. The people who didn't evacuate were mostly the poor, the sick, the helpless, the homeless. And, of course, the thick-headed. Overwhelming? Absolutely!! But someone "in charge" better realize that putting these refugees in a chair is no more than a band-aid. Has anyone addressed the issue of how many people are de-toxing right now? How desperate people are and will become? People are not only homeless, they are jobless, too. What of people who have no knowing of God and His Word?
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