quote: The causes of these bizarre manifestations, including that of “false confession” are related By Robert Conquest, in his comprehensive book “The Great Terror”, to be common to men who have a desperate "will to believe" in the purpose of the movement they have given so much of their hopes to.
They cant bear the thought of admitting that they might have installed much faith and hard work into an organization that has actually turned into a monster.
I think this is why so many people stay in cults after realizing that it’s not what it initially appeared to be. Pride gets in the way and it hurts to realize that we were duped, so much so that some people refuse to face the facts and simply ignore parts of their knowledge of the group so they can pretend it didn’t/doesn’t happen.
quote: Such rationalization as this, over time, can lead to the searing of a mans conscience to such a degree that he no longer recognizes evil for what it is and he can become convinced that any vile thing, so long as it serves the higher Ideal of the ultimate aim, is justifiable. Practisers of such thinking after a while, find practises that would have horrified them previously, suddenly acceptable.
For example, resorting to smear tactics to discredit an opponent.
Especially if the opponent is fostering “Disunity”.
We’ve seen this all too well with people, especially the leadership in TWI. It’s pretty pathetic really how quick people were to jump on the bandwagon of “it’s grace” and people who are “spiritual enough” can “handle” the choices they would have them to make, such as not standing up against the sexual perversions and abuse they were aware was going on. They allowed these men and women to take advantage of na? and vulnerable CHILDREN in the name of God! In their minds they had so rationalized the behavior that they not only seared their conscience, they led others to the same fate.
“Disunity” in wayspeak is “not being like-minded”. Someone who was “not like minded” with the leaders in TWI was publicly branded as stubborn and we all know that stubbornness is like witchcraft. If someone was stubborn the leaders needed to let everyone know so that they would not be contaminated by this horrible individual. It was a good lesson for the faithful to learn and especially good for the wavering ones to see so that they would know what was going to happen to them if they decided to leave. -->
quote: He is a man of soothing words and late night phone calls aimed at generating harmony.
Can’t says as I had any experience with this. Any late night phone calls I got involved screaming and yelling and condemnation because you reprove those you love. -->
GDay belle, I didnt type all this up last night, its something I wrote a year ago which I just transferred here.
I think the lesson of history is that, if you are involved in a revolutionary movement,and you have any talent, you had better make sure you wind up the leader of the movement, or else you are going to wind up dead.
It appears that it is not wise to be in the forefront during the years of 'struggle'.
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Wow, Refiner. Thanks for typing all this up.
Here's a few comments from my pea brain:
I think this is why so many people stay in cults after realizing that it’s not what it initially appeared to be. Pride gets in the way and it hurts to realize that we were duped, so much so that some people refuse to face the facts and simply ignore parts of their knowledge of the group so they can pretend it didn’t/doesn’t happen.
We’ve seen this all too well with people, especially the leadership in TWI. It’s pretty pathetic really how quick people were to jump on the bandwagon of “it’s grace” and people who are “spiritual enough” can “handle” the choices they would have them to make, such as not standing up against the sexual perversions and abuse they were aware was going on. They allowed these men and women to take advantage of na? and vulnerable CHILDREN in the name of God! In their minds they had so rationalized the behavior that they not only seared their conscience, they led others to the same fate.
“Disunity” in wayspeak is “not being like-minded”. Someone who was “not like minded” with the leaders in TWI was publicly branded as stubborn and we all know that stubbornness is like witchcraft. If someone was stubborn the leaders needed to let everyone know so that they would not be contaminated by this horrible individual. It was a good lesson for the faithful to learn and especially good for the wavering ones to see so that they would know what was going to happen to them if they decided to leave. -->
Can’t says as I had any experience with this. Any late night phone calls I got involved screaming and yelling and condemnation because you reprove those you love. -->
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GDay belle, I didnt type all this up last night, its something I wrote a year ago which I just transferred here.
I think the lesson of history is that, if you are involved in a revolutionary movement,and you have any talent, you had better make sure you wind up the leader of the movement, or else you are going to wind up dead.
It appears that it is not wise to be in the forefront during the years of 'struggle'.
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It has been reported that Alexander the Great was asked, on his deathbed,
who he willed his empire to.
The reported reply: "To the strongest."
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If I was taught right, Trotsky had the quote wrong.
He said it was
"my country, right or wrong",
meaning, I support my country even if it's completely wrong.
The quote was originally,
"My country, right or wrong-
IF RIGHT, TO DEFEND IT, IF WRONG, TO CORRECT IT."
That's how I heard it in history class back when.
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