Heres an excerpt from a chapter entitled: “Reaching Out”
..... Those ‘reaching out’ to 'serve' comprised, so far as I could see, two distinct types of men.
There were those who were meek and mild.
The compassionate ones, the caring ones, the quietly spoken ones who appeared innocent of any taint of worldly experience. These were often almost holy men whose eyes swam with the milk of human compassion.
Then there were the natural commanders.
These were the strong men, men who lead from force of personality. Leaders in a crisis. Often they were men of vast worldly experience, they had done the ‘worldly’ scene in the past, or experienced sin personally.
My father fell into this latter category.
Because the church was a sealed system, often those within it had scant experience of such things as say, adultery, or alcoholism, or running a business and dealing with corruption. My father had, and he must have seemed a most desirable option to assume a position of authority and direction within the local congregation.
Such a mans experience would be useful sitting on a judicial committee hearing, and he would scarcely have been shocked to see what pulsed, beneath the veneer of the perfect society, within the dark hearts of members of the congregation.....
…………….
.....The congregation heads, in discussing his appointment would have picked over the scripture passage in 1 Timothy. 3 verse 1 thru 7.
There it espouses that a man reaching out for overseership must be: “moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, reasonable. Not a newly converted man” , lest he become blown up with feelings of self importance.
Verses 4 and 5 say:
“ a man presiding over his own house in a fine manner. Having children in subjection with all seriousness. If indeed a man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of Gods congregation”?
In effect this meant that not only the prospective ‘older man’, but also his children must at least ‘appear’ to meet certain standards as well.
Not only must my father appear to meet the mark set, but his wife must appear to reach the mark set for what a ‘spiritually advancing’ wife should look like.
In my own case, those two verses in 1 Timothy chapter 3 were about to change everything forever.
The first inkling of the impending days of doom came one evening when he took me into the back room for a one on one “man to man” chat.
He even offered me a cup of tea.
He opened with: “Now Jim, youre a good lad, a hard working lad, and your mother and I , well…we are aware of your contribution to things, what with John pioneering, your financial contributions are invaluable.”
Further gushy praise followed and I got all hot in the face with a warm glow.
Then he shifted position after a brief smile.
“Moving on to other things….Now son, you’ve heard the talk that Ive been considered for a position within the congregation”
I had, and I thought that was fine, if he wanted it.
He DID want it.
His eyeballs rolled toward the ceiling, “ Not exactly WANT it” he said “its more like…well, we have to sacrifice for others.”
“The congregation has NEEDS….follow”?
I followed.
“Yes Jim….the church needs men who are WILLING” He clasped his hands in front of himself.
“Men, Jim, who are willing to…put themselves out for others, put themselves under hardship to serve”.
Did I see?
I saw.
However…there was just a slight hitch.
The local leadership couldn’t appoint him. At least not just yet.
“Whys that”? I asked.
He steepled his fingers and stared into them a moment before speaking.
“Well son, it appears that someone has ‘spoken out against me’ and accuses me of unfitness for the position”
This stopped the conversation a moment, then he became very animated.
“See, a leader has to be free from taint and accusation, even unfair accusation sometimes.”
It was a terrible offence to ‘stumble’ a weak one, even someone who bore a personal grudge, as he suspected in this case.
Though “strictly speaking, their accusation does have some foundation”.
The air thickened.
“What foundation”? I asked.
“Well, Jim,’ he sighed ‘ the complaint is in connection with you”.
He then went into a long spiel about my brother Johnny being such a fine pioneer at only 17, and here I was 18, and..well, I wasn’t even baptized.
He said “See son….it just doesn’t LOOK”
There was a long silence.
I sure wasn’t eager to step into baptism. Baptized ones were responsible for their own salvation. Not only that, I was in a state of sin.
Visions of Armaggedon death swam in my head.
He asked, “Jim, what holds you back from the step”?
“Nothing…nothing really ‘ I blurted, ‘I just aren’t ready yet”
His eyes narrowed.
“Son, the sin, are you still in practise of it”?
“Of course not! God no”. I laughed.
He drummed on his Bible a moment.
Well, think on it eh?. Pray on it to Jehovah, see what answer you get”.
Of course, I noticed he didn’t offer to pray WITH me, but then he never did....
A couple of weeks later I was called into meeting with him and my mother.
She sat there with that simpery smile on her face, her eyes swimming with concern.
He was in an abrupt mood.
Had I thought upon the matter of baptism? Had I prayed for guidance?
I had I lied.
“I just feel im not ready”.
“Why not”?
“Well, I think it’s a matter between me and God, don’t you”?
He blinked three times.
“Its not just a matter of our own well being, it’s a question of how we affect others in the congregation”.
That was the IMPORTANT thing.
There came a time when a man had to stand up and make the big jump.
She chipped in, “If the boys not ready”….
He sighed, rolling his eyes heavenward.
”What about our responsibilities to others Joyce”?
“Well”… She shrugged.
Then she had a flash of inspiration.
“Jesus wasn’t baptized till he was 29” She offered.
He became very testy.
“We are NOT living in the year 29 Joyce! Times are short now, there isn’t the luxury of time to dawdle about”.
Abruptly my father ended the conversation and walked out.
Next day, she was out shopping.
He collared me in the down stairs laundry.
“Why wont you get baptized”? He demanded.
I tried to move away from his foul breathe but he forced me into the corner.
“Are you sinning”?
“No! of course not!”
“Why then”?
He pushed me into the wall and I screwed my face away from him.
“This is for youre own good. Do you see that”?
He shouted “God requires it of us!”
I couldnt breathe as he screwed my face into the wall
“Will you baptize or not”?
He laid out the scenario, as arranged by himself. Head of the house.
“I will arrange it , do you hear me”?
I heard.
“Im telling you…you WILL get baptized, and you will understand that it has to be done”
the crisis thing is most likely typical. my whole 18 yr life had been somewhat of a crisis and then lo and behold a couple of wayfers knocked at my door
Geeze refiner....I am sorry ... it is amazing how similar the abuse is from one cult to the next.......same lies...same scriptures used to ensnare .... same scriptures to justify abusive conduct....man, I am sorry.
Tell us more! How did you begin to see past the lies...what helped free your mind from the dogma....
I suppose I wasnt free of the dogma until I obtained and read all their old material. The writings of the founder arent readily available and had to be obtained via splinter church, the Berean Bible Institute.
Once I read those, which referred to early Adventist links, I then started in reading up on Adventism. After about 5 years of reading Id covered every Magazine article written by the Watchtower between 1879AD and 1930AD. Reading what they had written bacjk then as opposed to what they SAID theyd written back then, It was clear there was a coverup going on. After that I became interested in the mechanics of the coverup, the reasons for the coverup, and the justifications they used to explain the coverup.
It was very educational.
The main reason for the coverup is their desire to look infallible. They cannot admit error, or that they have changed doctrine.
Adolf Hitler explains why this is necessary within a Totalistic movement in "Mein Kampf"
A researching of the history of Soviet Russia between the years 1917 and 1928 will also reveal very many parallels between that movements shifting of doctrine and direction, and many religious Totalisms.
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Heres an excerpt from a chapter entitled: “Reaching Out”
..... Those ‘reaching out’ to 'serve' comprised, so far as I could see, two distinct types of men.
There were those who were meek and mild.
The compassionate ones, the caring ones, the quietly spoken ones who appeared innocent of any taint of worldly experience. These were often almost holy men whose eyes swam with the milk of human compassion.
Then there were the natural commanders.
These were the strong men, men who lead from force of personality. Leaders in a crisis. Often they were men of vast worldly experience, they had done the ‘worldly’ scene in the past, or experienced sin personally.
My father fell into this latter category.
Because the church was a sealed system, often those within it had scant experience of such things as say, adultery, or alcoholism, or running a business and dealing with corruption. My father had, and he must have seemed a most desirable option to assume a position of authority and direction within the local congregation.
Such a mans experience would be useful sitting on a judicial committee hearing, and he would scarcely have been shocked to see what pulsed, beneath the veneer of the perfect society, within the dark hearts of members of the congregation.....
…………….
.....The congregation heads, in discussing his appointment would have picked over the scripture passage in 1 Timothy. 3 verse 1 thru 7.
There it espouses that a man reaching out for overseership must be: “moderate in habits, sound in mind, orderly, reasonable. Not a newly converted man” , lest he become blown up with feelings of self importance.
Verses 4 and 5 say:
“ a man presiding over his own house in a fine manner. Having children in subjection with all seriousness. If indeed a man does not know how to preside over his own household, how will he take care of Gods congregation”?
In effect this meant that not only the prospective ‘older man’, but also his children must at least ‘appear’ to meet certain standards as well.
Not only must my father appear to meet the mark set, but his wife must appear to reach the mark set for what a ‘spiritually advancing’ wife should look like.
In my own case, those two verses in 1 Timothy chapter 3 were about to change everything forever.
The first inkling of the impending days of doom came one evening when he took me into the back room for a one on one “man to man” chat.
He even offered me a cup of tea.
He opened with: “Now Jim, youre a good lad, a hard working lad, and your mother and I , well…we are aware of your contribution to things, what with John pioneering, your financial contributions are invaluable.”
Further gushy praise followed and I got all hot in the face with a warm glow.
Then he shifted position after a brief smile.
“Moving on to other things….Now son, you’ve heard the talk that Ive been considered for a position within the congregation”
I had, and I thought that was fine, if he wanted it.
He DID want it.
His eyeballs rolled toward the ceiling, “ Not exactly WANT it” he said “its more like…well, we have to sacrifice for others.”
“The congregation has NEEDS….follow”?
I followed.
“Yes Jim….the church needs men who are WILLING” He clasped his hands in front of himself.
“Men, Jim, who are willing to…put themselves out for others, put themselves under hardship to serve”.
Did I see?
I saw.
However…there was just a slight hitch.
The local leadership couldn’t appoint him. At least not just yet.
“Whys that”? I asked.
He steepled his fingers and stared into them a moment before speaking.
“Well son, it appears that someone has ‘spoken out against me’ and accuses me of unfitness for the position”
This stopped the conversation a moment, then he became very animated.
“See, a leader has to be free from taint and accusation, even unfair accusation sometimes.”
It was a terrible offence to ‘stumble’ a weak one, even someone who bore a personal grudge, as he suspected in this case.
Though “strictly speaking, their accusation does have some foundation”.
The air thickened.
“What foundation”? I asked.
“Well, Jim,’ he sighed ‘ the complaint is in connection with you”.
He then went into a long spiel about my brother Johnny being such a fine pioneer at only 17, and here I was 18, and..well, I wasn’t even baptized.
He said “See son….it just doesn’t LOOK”
There was a long silence.
I sure wasn’t eager to step into baptism. Baptized ones were responsible for their own salvation. Not only that, I was in a state of sin.
Visions of Armaggedon death swam in my head.
He asked, “Jim, what holds you back from the step”?
“Nothing…nothing really ‘ I blurted, ‘I just aren’t ready yet”
His eyes narrowed.
“Son, the sin, are you still in practise of it”?
“Of course not! God no”. I laughed.
He drummed on his Bible a moment.
Well, think on it eh?. Pray on it to Jehovah, see what answer you get”.
Of course, I noticed he didn’t offer to pray WITH me, but then he never did....
A couple of weeks later I was called into meeting with him and my mother.
She sat there with that simpery smile on her face, her eyes swimming with concern.
He was in an abrupt mood.
Had I thought upon the matter of baptism? Had I prayed for guidance?
I had I lied.
“I just feel im not ready”.
“Why not”?
“Well, I think it’s a matter between me and God, don’t you”?
He blinked three times.
“Its not just a matter of our own well being, it’s a question of how we affect others in the congregation”.
That was the IMPORTANT thing.
There came a time when a man had to stand up and make the big jump.
She chipped in, “If the boys not ready”….
He sighed, rolling his eyes heavenward.
”What about our responsibilities to others Joyce”?
“Well”… She shrugged.
Then she had a flash of inspiration.
“Jesus wasn’t baptized till he was 29” She offered.
He became very testy.
“We are NOT living in the year 29 Joyce! Times are short now, there isn’t the luxury of time to dawdle about”.
Abruptly my father ended the conversation and walked out.
Next day, she was out shopping.
He collared me in the down stairs laundry.
“Why wont you get baptized”? He demanded.
I tried to move away from his foul breathe but he forced me into the corner.
“Are you sinning”?
“No! of course not!”
“Why then”?
He pushed me into the wall and I screwed my face away from him.
“This is for youre own good. Do you see that”?
He shouted “God requires it of us!”
I couldnt breathe as he screwed my face into the wall
“Will you baptize or not”?
He laid out the scenario, as arranged by himself. Head of the house.
“I will arrange it , do you hear me”?
I heard.
“Im telling you…you WILL get baptized, and you will understand that it has to be done”
“Do you understand me”?
I understood.
“Good then”.
He released me.
“So then…youre getting baptized”
“Apparently” I mumbled.
He hit me upside the head with a fist.
“Yes?”
“Yes” I said.
"Good decision”.
He walked away........
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excathedra
you poor thing
post some more, i want to know what happened
and i'd love a happy ending
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excathedra
the crisis thing is most likely typical. my whole 18 yr life had been somewhat of a crisis and then lo and behold a couple of wayfers knocked at my door
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And then, exy, after your conversion the REAL stress and crisis started.
But seriously, I dont plan on posting any more of my saga.As to the ending, well I havent even written it in final draft.
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Refiner,
Keep writing...if you please.
Very good stuff. Very good stuff.
The similarities to TWI are amazing!
Refiner... you are British correct?
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WaywardWayfer
Very good, Refiner! Thanks for sharing and please do keep writing.
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Tom Strange
Ala... close... he's Awe-Strayl-Yun... vegemite sandwiches and such... I guess he's "a loyal subject of the empire" as are you!
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Geeze refiner....I am sorry ... it is amazing how similar the abuse is from one cult to the next.......same lies...same scriptures used to ensnare .... same scriptures to justify abusive conduct....man, I am sorry.
Tell us more! How did you begin to see past the lies...what helped free your mind from the dogma....
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Rascal, thanks for asking.
I suppose I wasnt free of the dogma until I obtained and read all their old material. The writings of the founder arent readily available and had to be obtained via splinter church, the Berean Bible Institute.
Once I read those, which referred to early Adventist links, I then started in reading up on Adventism. After about 5 years of reading Id covered every Magazine article written by the Watchtower between 1879AD and 1930AD. Reading what they had written bacjk then as opposed to what they SAID theyd written back then, It was clear there was a coverup going on. After that I became interested in the mechanics of the coverup, the reasons for the coverup, and the justifications they used to explain the coverup.
It was very educational.
The main reason for the coverup is their desire to look infallible. They cannot admit error, or that they have changed doctrine.
Adolf Hitler explains why this is necessary within a Totalistic movement in "Mein Kampf"
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A researching of the history of Soviet Russia between the years 1917 and 1928 will also reveal very many parallels between that movements shifting of doctrine and direction, and many religious Totalisms.
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Brother Strange,
Thank you! Ahhh another loyal subject...!
OK.. refiner..
Great research.. have enjoyed every word.. and how similar.. especially the coverup thing.
wow.
NO new thing under the sun!
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