GreaseSpot Gems

[Raf]

From ROR in the JAL thread (hey, seeing as the VP is such a VIP, shouldn't we put the PC on the QT? 'Cause if it leaks to the VC, he could end up MIA and then we'd all be put on KP).

Anyway, the quote is...

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It is vital for exwayfers to realize that we all did not have the same EXACT experience, and not to dismiss every experience that was not similar to our own.

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[CoolWaters]

By Steve Lortz in the "About The Way" forum on the thread about only one thought in your mind at a time:

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I think TWI's use of "you can't hold two thoughts in your mind at the same time" exhibited a grotesque degree of oversimplification, and was used to encourage group-think.

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[CoolWaters]

TempleLady in the TWI Worships and Idol thread:

"The Only thing TWI taught was Mogolatry"

[Kit Sober]

Oxygenated Water / Hyperbaric Chamber discussion began by Dave Anderson 12/04.

Oxygen Saturated Water - to your health

[Linda Z]

From our beloved curmudgeon, Geo:

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Washington,

Putting the "goober" in gubernatorial.

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That one got my "spew Diet Coke on the screen" award for the week.

[Belle]

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They decided to support this guy over a woman and her children that needed protections. How's the discerning of spirits doing in that situation??

I guess we can lay to rest "All nine all the time" from Way speak.

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Tumbleweed Kid on the gross negligence and ignorance of TWI regarding the Mark N child molestation lawsuits and TWI's continuing support for him.

Your spiritual elite at work for you, innies!

[Raf]

WordWolf strikes again...

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) lcm doesn't have anything to offer people. His understanding

of Scripture is sub-standard among average Christians,

and his manner is abrasive. He can't get converts from people who

just want him to shut up.

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[Belle]

Shaz did a masterful job of handling yet another poster wearing his rose-colored glasses and blinders. :)-->

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Dear HCW,

I would like to take on a few of your questions.

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#1. Why is that that when we, who were there, who, for the most part, were NOT damaged by the experience, post positives about our experiences, SOME of you who were NOT there, or were hurt there, consistently speculate about how BLIND, DUPED or MISGUIDED we were????

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I was there, at least for a little while. Like you, I was fired from Staff. I don't know about you, but I was fired simply for being married to the wrong man, and I was fired in 1980 by Wierwille. Don't get me wrong, though. I was still willing to stand with TWI in spite of what I felt was a great and hurtful misunderstanding. I later gave Wierwille an opportunity to right the wrong, but he compounded it instead, and then I left. Most of what I now know about Wierwille (the plagiarism, the adulteries, the drunkennness, the rages) I learned long after the fact, but they helped string together the things I knew first-hand about the guy. We were duped, by one of the best -- a man who duped himself.

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#2. Why is is SOOOOOOOOOOOOO hard for some to accept the CONCEPT that TWI was once good then changed to bad????

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Because, in my opinion, the facts don't support the premise that TWI the organization was once good. There were good times and lots of good people, absolutely. Good Bible, at times. Miracles? Maybe. Thank God. But as a corporation, it was founded on plagiarism and continued on the whims of one man's own self-interest.

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#3. If I & others like me were seeing things in such a delusional, rose colored way WHY did they FIRE us? Why did they tell the new faithful to stay AWAY from those that they kicked out????

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I don't think you were delusional. But perhaps you chose to overlook many signs that things were not right in Camelot. I overlooked many red flags, thinking at the time that "nobody is perfect, we all fall short, etc." But the adulteries (along with the lies and the trashed lives) are not about being human -- they are about being evil.

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#4. IF they changed from VPW to LCM and LCM's regime is so obviously bad, is it SO impossible that the direction they turned from was good?

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It is also possible that LCM was "more the child of hell" than his father in the Word.

Regards,

Shazdancer

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[Raf]

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You tell me what you think of Victor Paul Wierwille, and I'll tell you how far you have come in your cult recovery.

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Uncle Hairy

[Belle]

HCW on RFR. Every innie should know about this woman they are supporting!

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Do you really think I DIDN'T KNOW who was specifically behind my getting canned from HQ staff? I was THE SECOND person "purged" from staff. Another good friend of mine, Sal Scheccitano (sp?) was the FIRST. Sal is an EXTREMELY talented New Yorker. He had won the contest, beat out everybody, every pianist in TWI, to be the first official pianist for the WOW Auditorium.

He has those New Yawk chops. When most were talking about all that was wrong @ HQ. Sal DID something about it. He went to his BIBLE. He specifically "worked the Word" about a specific list of things acknowledged as being "off the Word" at HQ.

I was over at his house in St. Marys where we were talking about things & stuff. He told me he was going to Rosalie (she was our Trustee Cabinet member) utilizing "the way tree" and gonna "confront her lovingly, but firmly, with the WORD.... and see what she said about it.

She ARGUED with Sal. She said she knew what "the Word said about those things, BUT. Those were Dr. Wierwille's ways and we just don't operate like that around here anymore."

(Supply the accent, see if it doesn't sould EXACTLY like her. )

She also called John Linder, who armed with a 9mm FIREARM, and another equally armed "safety officer," immediately escorted Sal back to his office to clean out his desk, immediately, while they stood over him, allowed him no phone calls, even to his WIFE, and then kicked him off the property (which BTWAY belongs to EVERY believer, right?) and told him to NEVER come back.

Innt she SWEET? Ms. Rivenbark, that is.

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[Linda Z]

From Krysillis:

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There are times when posting on these forums is like being pecked to death by a duck.

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Amen to that!

[Belle]

OutandAbout's definition on a thread asking for a definition of "spiritual pressure"

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"Spiritual Pressure" is what the rest of the human race calls "life."

If you're in TWI, it's all from the ADVERSARY and it's all happening to YOU because of your STAND for GOD.

If you become a regular human being it's sh1t that happens.

Pretty darn accurate definition.

[Belle]

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If they want to be accurate, they would stick with the *sword of the spirit*, and forget the athletic thing. You throw a javelin, and lose control once it has left your hand. When using a sword -- one can inflict intended damage on the *target*, repeatedly -- since you retain control of the weapon.

I've said it here before, and I'll say it again:

THE -- ADVERSARY -- DID -- NOT -- COME -- TO -- COMPETE!!

He came to Steal, Kill, and Destroy (John 10:10)

WGB, BOT, BOD -- and all that are still "in" -- your's is a sinking ship (on the sea of life), as you continue with all this ludicrous verbal posturing, that's forcing others to believe it as (cough!) doctine.

Thanks, dmiller! All I can say is AMEN!!!

[Stayed Too Long]

We could name this tread:

Rife Lines

Opines

Greased Vines

Healing Times

VeePee's Beehind

[Raf]

WordWolf, who's making a friendly takeover bid on this thread, responds to the charge that gscafe goes over the same old same old all the time...

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Compare a year of twi with a year of the GSC.

Which one gets more repetitive?

[Belle]

Rascal says:

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We were the *front men* what people saw.....People bought OUR honesty and OUR integrety. People assumed that because WE genuinely loved God, that twi was a legitimate healthy christian organization....(I think being used this way is one of the reasons that I am so angry)

That Wascally Wabbit talking about how we were conned into thinking TWI was a love and light and helped facilitate that illusion thereby luring others into the dark belly of the beast.

[WordWolf]

Outandabout:

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How can you be "prevailing" when you can't even own a pet, put your kids in

lessons, watch cable or buy a new car?

How could they drive people into poverty and at the same time talk about

"prevailing?"

[Raf]

As much as WordWolf attempts to point out what others say, I still believe he's making a bid for the most profound GreaseSpot Gems...

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I'll tell you the difference between the deaths of Victor Paul Wierwille and

Karol Wojtyla, Pope John Paul II.

Pope John Paul II was the man he knew himself to be.

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[Linda Z]

In the "Personal Prophecy" thread, Evan said:

"I think when we start wilfully opening our mouth and presuming to speak for God, that's when trouble begins."

Amen to that.

[WordWolf]

HCW make the Gems list!

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IF, I repeat IF, we, now that we are 'out',

"we manage to judge the entirety of our lives (afterwards) by what we learned while we were *in*."....

are we REALLY out???

NO.

We only THINK we are out, because being IN a cult is not a location, it has

nothing to do with what fellowship you do or don't attend, not about a job

one works; it's a state of mind.

[WordWolf]

HCW's previous quote was responding to Dmiller, who said

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It is a crying shame that we still look at the valid, through the eyeshade of the

ludicrous, and try to make a competent evaluation, based on what we have learned

from the ludicrous, about the valid.

[Stayed Too Long]

How about this from Trefor Heywood:

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If you leave Grease Spot won't you be in danger of returning to TWI by midnight?

[dmiller]

And then there is this quote from GrouchoMarxjr:

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Interesting enough, is that the early Christians didn't even have the new testament to study. Oh sure, Paul sent letters to certain cities, but were they all put together in book form and called "God's word"?

I believe that it was more about personal relationship with the lord than it was "working the word", as wierwille liked to call it. Twi was totally clueless...

It's sorta like the early Christians were driving the car while twi only studied the owners manual.

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[WordWolf]

Bob said this about twi's revenue policies (bloodsucking):

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Unfortunately, your money is paying for tomorrow's abuses.

Hope R. added the following:

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And your ABS is also paying for past abuses.

[Raf]

Credit Belle with this one:

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Because the only ones left in TWI (besides those stuck for various reasons) are the ones who are already so pliable to the whims of TWI that they no longer need manipulation.

Ouch!