I don't know.. but just a thought of seeing rosie wearing one of those red or black hooded robes, prancing around the cauldron and throwing a little salt peter in the fire might be pretty convincing.
Seriously, you may have a real valid point there. with the code of silence, and the real strange doctrines that were embraced only (or mostly) by "the inner circle", anything is possible.
I think Rozilla has Harve, Jean-Yves, and the rest of the upper echelon (Prez Cab and Reg Coord) fooled as to what her (and Donna's) real motives and intents for twi actually are. Obviously the woman is an ice queen who has no real heart. She tries to keep up with the charade that her heart is to continue VPW's wishes, but it's all a corporation for her. The rest of the pawns just follow along because they don't think there's anywhere else to go.
For VPW, it was HIS show. He hoodwinked a lot of people in the hippy days which would serve him in more way than one. Mass people which would bring in money, and mass young girls which would serve his lusts. He got his brother to back him up so that he could get the young chicks too. And he got Howard to back him up. Howard is a pervert with a simple mind. (He once told me that he kept his boots shiny so that he could use them to look up the girls' dresses. -->) He got his share of the girls, so he backed up the MOG because it served his purposed too. He was VPs stooge who did the dirty work.
Didn't some Roman Emporer (Constantine?) do that already?
Even with Jonny's explanation, it sounds more theory than conspiracy to me. :D-->
You are thinking of the Council of Nicea(sp?) in 325 which TWI talks about a lot when discussing the date that Jesus was voted on being a god rather than a person. Some other things they did were removing parts of the bible that didn't suit their new standards, set Christmas as December 25 (I think this happened then), and a few other things. It was essentially the bringing about of modern Christianity, which is still practiced today and is nothing like what the original Christians practiced as far as I can tell.
If you want signs of paganism, I'd bet that at least 99% of Christian beliefs are ripped off from other religions. It's pretty shocking.
It also wouldn't be the first time that TWI ripped off someone else's doctrine w/o recognition of the source, while claiming to teach something as it hasn't been taught since the first 100 years, or somethin' like that.
quote:Why, they laughed and laughed over this one, because, as they slugged down more Drambui, Vic said that not only does the "O" shaped lips indicate a secret desire to request or offer oral sex
FWIW, TWI taught a vastly over-simplified and somewhat inaccurate account of the First Council of Nicea. The council was called as a result of the heresy of Arius. It re-affirmed the already-existing doctrine of the Trinity and formulated the Nicene Creed. (Of course, we all know that conceptually, the Trinity has been in existence since the writing of the Gospel of Matthew and Pauls letters to the Romans and to the Galatians, and it is alluded to from the earliest writings of the Church Fathers -- Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Igantius of Antioch and Polycarp. However, the first documented explicit use of the word itself comes from Tertullian and Origen at around the beginning of the second century). The point is not to provide and exigesis on the Trinity but to point out that the thought that the concept originated with the First Nicene Council is completely false.
The council also set the formula for setting the date for Easter (the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox). This council did not set the date for Christmas. That date floated around quite a bit. The origins of the 25 December date may have originated with Tertullian back in the second century AD, but there was not one council that went and set the date.
The other issue dealt with by the First Nicene Council was the schism of Meletius of Lycopolis, which had its origins earlier in the century, from somewhere around 303 to 306 AD.
Oh, btw, P-Mosh, if you are interested in learning how the first century Christians lived, I would refer you to a document called The Didache. It has been dated to between AD 80 and AD 90.
quote:One of the most secret of hand signs was the extended index, middle, and "next to the pinky finger" fingers-palm forward-, which is actually the ancient Norse and Celtic symbol for "let's have sex with young women!" "Let's rape, pillage, and plunder!" When held up, these three fingers look like a "W", or, a "dubyw". Hmmm...
okay jonny here's another quote of yours.... let's rape, pillage and plunder !!!!!!!! you're so funny !!!!! guess what ? i have a great sense of humor..... i can even have one when it comes to weewillie
but not when it comes to YOUR idea of what's funny because it's not funny. you did not experience it. let me know how funny you think it is that he shoved young girls' faces down and told them it was the will god
i'm sorry you're ....ing me off
you're like a 14 year old brother who is yuck yuck funny, but guess what, you're not 14 anymore
jonny, your apologies seem to have a backhanded way of doing it. By apologizing but yet putting the other person down first...it must make you feel real good, huh?
OK...I read what Lingo posted...I understand why some were offended but I really don't think it was Lingo's INTENTION to offend anyone. His "story" was loaded with tongue in cheek sarcasm ans such...and I took his apologies to be sincere. Cut him slack why dontcha...
Thank you Hairy. And Hairy, and the rest of youz, I realize that you and I many times are on the other side of the fence, but I thank you. I know that I initially started out my apology almost as a "rebuttal", but, I changed in mid stream as I realized that an apology was warrented. I really do wish Excathedra deliverance from the past that still has a hold on her. And so, again, with no strings attached, I apologize...
deliverance?????? guffaw...who are you to think that someone needs it?????? Gosh, jonny, that is such a put down of someone...makes ya feel real good, don't it?
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I don't know.. but just a thought of seeing rosie wearing one of those red or black hooded robes, prancing around the cauldron and throwing a little salt peter in the fire might be pretty convincing.
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I dunno.. it would probably go more like this: "donna, have harv throw some more saltpeter in the fire."
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Seriously, you may have a real valid point there. with the code of silence, and the real strange doctrines that were embraced only (or mostly) by "the inner circle", anything is possible.
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I don't know about conspiracy theories.
I think Rozilla has Harve, Jean-Yves, and the rest of the upper echelon (Prez Cab and Reg Coord) fooled as to what her (and Donna's) real motives and intents for twi actually are. Obviously the woman is an ice queen who has no real heart. She tries to keep up with the charade that her heart is to continue VPW's wishes, but it's all a corporation for her. The rest of the pawns just follow along because they don't think there's anywhere else to go.
For VPW, it was HIS show. He hoodwinked a lot of people in the hippy days which would serve him in more way than one. Mass people which would bring in money, and mass young girls which would serve his lusts. He got his brother to back him up so that he could get the young chicks too. And he got Howard to back him up. Howard is a pervert with a simple mind. (He once told me that he kept his boots shiny so that he could use them to look up the girls' dresses. -->) He got his share of the girls, so he backed up the MOG because it served his purposed too. He was VPs stooge who did the dirty work.
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I don't think there was any "conspiracy."
None of them were that smart...ya know?
They became corrupted by power.
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Ha ha ha.. Johnny, in other circles I think it is called "red herring".
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:)--> :D--> :)--> LMAO Johnny!!!
Very imaginative!!! :D-->:D-->:D-->
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Interesting twist Mr P-Mosh. TWI (allegedly) trying to paganize Christianity?
Didn't some Roman Emporer (Constantine?) do that already?
Even with Jonny's explanation, it sounds more theory than conspiracy to me. :D-->
My 2 cents...
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And I wonder what our favorite political dynasty was doing at the time, you know... Bush?
There's a connection there. I just know it.
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You are thinking of the Council of Nicea(sp?) in 325 which TWI talks about a lot when discussing the date that Jesus was voted on being a god rather than a person. Some other things they did were removing parts of the bible that didn't suit their new standards, set Christmas as December 25 (I think this happened then), and a few other things. It was essentially the bringing about of modern Christianity, which is still practiced today and is nothing like what the original Christians practiced as far as I can tell.
If you want signs of paganism, I'd bet that at least 99% of Christian beliefs are ripped off from other religions. It's pretty shocking.
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It also wouldn't be the first time that TWI ripped off someone else's doctrine w/o recognition of the source, while claiming to teach something as it hasn't been taught since the first 100 years, or somethin' like that.
My 2 cents...
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well i didn't read your whole bit jonny because it's just too long, and i get the feeling it's supposed to be funny
but since it mentions vic and booze and sex, it's about as funny as nothing
it degrades people like me, in my humble opinion
just can't take things lightly that destroyed my friggin life for a while there, bubba
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yeah i'll bet
did you happen to catch anything else i said
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excathedra
oh shut up
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FWIW, TWI taught a vastly over-simplified and somewhat inaccurate account of the First Council of Nicea. The council was called as a result of the heresy of Arius. It re-affirmed the already-existing doctrine of the Trinity and formulated the Nicene Creed. (Of course, we all know that conceptually, the Trinity has been in existence since the writing of the Gospel of Matthew and Pauls letters to the Romans and to the Galatians, and it is alluded to from the earliest writings of the Church Fathers -- Clement of Rome, Justin Martyr, Igantius of Antioch and Polycarp. However, the first documented explicit use of the word itself comes from Tertullian and Origen at around the beginning of the second century). The point is not to provide and exigesis on the Trinity but to point out that the thought that the concept originated with the First Nicene Council is completely false.
The council also set the formula for setting the date for Easter (the first Sunday after the first full moon after the spring equinox). This council did not set the date for Christmas. That date floated around quite a bit. The origins of the 25 December date may have originated with Tertullian back in the second century AD, but there was not one council that went and set the date.
The other issue dealt with by the First Nicene Council was the schism of Meletius of Lycopolis, which had its origins earlier in the century, from somewhere around 303 to 306 AD.
Oh, btw, P-Mosh, if you are interested in learning how the first century Christians lived, I would refer you to a document called The Didache. It has been dated to between AD 80 and AD 90.
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but not when it comes to YOUR idea of what's funny because it's not funny. you did not experience it. let me know how funny you think it is that he shoved young girls' faces down and told them it was the will god
i'm sorry you're ....ing me off
you're like a 14 year old brother who is yuck yuck funny, but guess what, you're not 14 anymore
sorry i am not lightening up for you
'scuse me
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excathedra
maybe you're an .... hole
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vickles
Jonny, some people come here for different reasons. I don't think you or anyone else has a right to tell someone not to come in here.
That is very offensive in itself!!!
I too found your story to be rather offensive.
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excathedra
grow up, jonny
try anyway
maybe put yourself in other people's shoes
okay ?
thanks
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vickles
jonny, your apologies seem to have a backhanded way of doing it. By apologizing but yet putting the other person down first...it must make you feel real good, huh?
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OK...I read what Lingo posted...I understand why some were offended but I really don't think it was Lingo's INTENTION to offend anyone. His "story" was loaded with tongue in cheek sarcasm ans such...and I took his apologies to be sincere. Cut him slack why dontcha...
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vickles
jonny, I really don't know where you get off calling us bitches....not nice!!!!!
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deliverance?????? guffaw...who are you to think that someone needs it?????? Gosh, jonny, that is such a put down of someone...makes ya feel real good, don't it?
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