Jesus (whose last name is Christ) is born, says a bunch of things we'll skip because they are now irrelevant, and then is crucified....in the middle of...here comes the important part...FOUR GUYS!
Then Paul & all them wrote down the real gospel, the meaning of which was utterly lost during their lifetime.
And so it remained for all time...
UNTIL...
An Ohio preacher with a fake doctorate took a break from boffing his secretary and saw snow on gas pumps.
Perhaps it is worthy to note the impact of the sycophant Martindale.
After the cornfield preacher had worked his con to the point of, "blink, blink, nod, nod,we got all the money"...Martindale took the helm and steered the ship directly into the nearest rocks. Because of the mental illness he had developed while receiving the adulations of his stooges, he became delusional and self destructed, taking the heart and guts of Wierwille's life's work down the commode in a New York minute. Today, an old dyke is running the shell game for what's left of this pathetic little cornfield cult that barely makes an asterisk in the history of "Christian abberations".
Yes, it has - I can't say too much, because I don't want to betray a confidence, but rozilla and donna were seen coming out of a bedroom together right "after".
I think what you're trying to do can be a worthwhile,noble endeavor...Although my interest in the history of the way comes and goes,at times I find the general thought progression of the way and it's leaders,from whence it came to what it had become to what it now is rather intriguing..
Perhaps you could get with Pawtucket and start a new category called 'way history'...The category can then be divided into years,or decades or maybe 'eras'...Then if a poster's memory is jogged about something of historical significance about the way,they can post it in the particular time period it occured...
You might want to limit the discussion to clarifying the time and accuracy of the events rather than "such and such leader was a jerkoff" etc. ...
I think what you're trying to do can be a worthwhile,noble endeavor...Although my interest in the history of the way comes and goes,at times I find the general thought progression of the way and it's leaders,from whence it came to what it had become to what it now is rather intriguing..
[I'm thinking of the new arrivals and so on. As it currently stands, a relatively-concise guide to twi's history is not available, and someone would need to spend days all over the site and the posts trying to reconstruct what happened, when. We all missed a LOT of behind-the-scenes, and a brief intro would serve as a foundation for filling in the blanks.]
Perhaps you could get with Pawtucket and start a new category called 'way history'...The category can then be divided into years,or decades or maybe 'eras'...Then if a poster's memory is jogged about something of historical significance about the way,they can post it in the particular time period it occured...
[We'll see. I think Paw would say it belongs here, and it doesn't need its own forum. Besides, we've discussed the entire history here at one point or another. I just want to try to condense it into a sensible form.]
You might want to limit the discussion to clarifying the time and accuracy of the events rather than "such and such leader was a jerkoff" etc. ...
Right you are, Mike. I added that into the list. Thanks.
Tom, you're probably right, and this list may be redundant. But I noticed a couple of things just from looking at the dates:
1.) Wierwille was only 24 years old when he started as a pastor. Then after only one year, he is disillusioned about not being able to help people (according to the pamphlet). He spends one whole summer :rolleyes studying the Bible after Rosalind Rinker's challenge, then sees snow on the gas pumps. Hmm... sounds more like lazy than revelation!
2.) Mrs. Wierwille had given birth just two months before VPW took her and the older children to India and elsewhere for a year. She should barely have recovered from the birth. They left JP with relatives for the baby's crucial first year of life. Not exactly a sterling example of Christian parenting.
3.) The 40th Anniversary celebration was not for the 40th year of The Way, nor of PFAL. It was 40 years since the snow on the gas pumps story supposedly happened. (Clarification by Catcup -- TWI counts its anniversary from the first Vesper Chimes Hour radio broadcast, also in 1942, also 11 years before the first PFAL Class. Thanks, Catcup!) Sure makes it sound like TWI was well-established to say it that way, though, huh?
Now ya got me thinking about it. I was WOW in '78-'79, and the price then was $100.00 (I think). I remember it going for higher, but that was when I didn't have to go door to door, asking folks to give hard earned money to an outfit in Ohio, for a dubious class on power for aberant living.
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The Thumbnail view, according to the CoachHoser:
Jesus (whose last name is Christ) is born, says a bunch of things we'll skip because they are now irrelevant, and then is crucified....in the middle of...here comes the important part...FOUR GUYS!
Then Paul & all them wrote down the real gospel, the meaning of which was utterly lost during their lifetime.
And so it remained for all time...
UNTIL...
An Ohio preacher with a fake doctorate took a break from boffing his secretary and saw snow on gas pumps.
AND THUS...
we now have the truth™ as it's not been known since way back when©, all yours for a mere $85 ($20 charge for returned checks)
Now, pleeeeze enter mah coach, sweeeetie.
That should cover the truly relevant points.
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Steve!
Wolfman -
That "1952" should read "1942".
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Perhaps it is worthy to note the impact of the sycophant Martindale.
After the cornfield preacher had worked his con to the point of, "blink, blink, nod, nod,we got all the money"...Martindale took the helm and steered the ship directly into the nearest rocks. Because of the mental illness he had developed while receiving the adulations of his stooges, he became delusional and self destructed, taking the heart and guts of Wierwille's life's work down the commode in a New York minute. Today, an old dyke is running the shell game for what's left of this pathetic little cornfield cult that barely makes an asterisk in the history of "Christian abberations".
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oldiesman
Imagine if she really is a lesbian?
Craig's worst nightmares manifest itself?
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Steve!
Um, om, it HAS been confirmed, by several posters.
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oldiesman
Steve, has it really been confirmed? I haven't heard that one yet. Only opinions and suppositions and jokes about it.
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Yes, it has - I can't say too much, because I don't want to betray a confidence, but rozilla and donna were seen coming out of a bedroom together right "after".
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Jim
Yeah but I suppose, spiritually, they could handle it....
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WordWolf,
I think what you're trying to do can be a worthwhile,noble endeavor...Although my interest in the history of the way comes and goes,at times I find the general thought progression of the way and it's leaders,from whence it came to what it had become to what it now is rather intriguing..
Perhaps you could get with Pawtucket and start a new category called 'way history'...The category can then be divided into years,or decades or maybe 'eras'...Then if a poster's memory is jogged about something of historical significance about the way,they can post it in the particular time period it occured...
You might want to limit the discussion to clarifying the time and accuracy of the events rather than "such and such leader was a jerkoff" etc. ...
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WordWolf
Thanks. I keep making that mistake, and I keep trying not to.
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shazdancer
From TWI's own memorial brochure, made available at the Rock of Ages, 1985:
Hope that gets you started on the early years. The rest later,
Shaz
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Okay, now the REST of the story...
Hope that helps,
Shaz
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Mike
shaz,
An addendum to the above list: the item that reads "WOW ambassador program begins; the PFAL book and Vols 1-3 are published" occured in 1971.
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...there are some threads around here somewhere that speak in pretty much detail about the chronologies of TWI-1 and TWI-2...
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Right you are, Mike. I added that into the list. Thanks.
Tom, you're probably right, and this list may be redundant. But I noticed a couple of things just from looking at the dates:
1.) Wierwille was only 24 years old when he started as a pastor. Then after only one year, he is disillusioned about not being able to help people (according to the pamphlet). He spends one whole summer :rolleyes studying the Bible after Rosalind Rinker's challenge, then sees snow on the gas pumps. Hmm... sounds more like lazy than revelation!
2.) Mrs. Wierwille had given birth just two months before VPW took her and the older children to India and elsewhere for a year. She should barely have recovered from the birth. They left JP with relatives for the baby's crucial first year of life. Not exactly a sterling example of Christian parenting.
3.) The 40th Anniversary celebration was not for the 40th year of The Way, nor of PFAL. It was 40 years since the snow on the gas pumps story supposedly happened. (Clarification by Catcup -- TWI counts its anniversary from the first Vesper Chimes Hour radio broadcast, also in 1942, also 11 years before the first PFAL Class. Thanks, Catcup!) Sure makes it sound like TWI was well-established to say it that way, though, huh?
Regards,
Shaz
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WordWolf
Right.
If you know where one is or (better yet) can post a link,
I'd appreciate it.
I know they're around here somewhere.
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Sites with some history of twi...
http://www.empirenet.com/~messiah7/cultsthe.htm
http://www.watchman.org/profile/waypro.htm
http://www.excultworld.com/twi.htm
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WordWolf
I'm missing a lot of critical information to fill in some
blanks.
I know that the East and West Coasts were spearheaded by
Heefner and Doop,
and then vpw swooped in and choked the spiritual life out of
them to centralize control,
but I could use some accounts, but especially a TIMEFRAME.
Also, when was pfal $100, $200, and other
prices?
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dmiller
pfal was $85.00 when I took it in '75. It moved to $100.00 shortly thereafter, but can't say for sure when the century mark was realized.
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TheSongRemainsTheSame
PFAL went as high as 200 smackers!
Sold to the bidder for truth~~~~
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Now ya got me thinking about it. I was WOW in '78-'79, and the price then was $100.00 (I think). I remember it going for higher, but that was when I didn't have to go door to door, asking folks to give hard earned money to an outfit in Ohio, for a dubious class on power for aberant living.
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TheSongRemainsTheSame
Do your followers know you post here?
Got a tape I should listen to?
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TheSongRemainsTheSame
Does anyone have info my recollection selling Way books door to door???
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