Cynic - The MM people include all the basic creeds, not because they believe them, but in order to not get kicked out of ANY potential recruiting ground on the basis of doctrinal differences. I don't consider MM a splinter of TWI. Its a rogue LGAT (large group awareness training) with a Christian veneer. There is at least one TWI splinter that has rationalized using trinitarian terminology (redefined to fit TWI doctrine where necessary) to sell their "parachurch" ministry in mainstream markets.
MM put up with CES' "stand" on the trinity because their acceptance of CES was bringing in the dollars. CES put up with MM' "stand" on the trinity, because Momentus was the GREATEST THING SINCE THE NEW BIRTH, doncha know. Besides, if CES hung around with MM long enough, CES would be able to convert MM with CES' sheer brilliance.
John Lynn lovingly made himself available to anyone here who would like to speak to him with a view towards repair and restoration and moving forward with the things of God. Perhaps, just perhaps, that is more motion than some here have made in years...**as Jesus said to his apostles while shaking his head in utter disbelief...how long must I be with you**
John Lynn lovingly made himself available to anyone here who would like to speak to him with a view towards repair and restoration and moving forward with the things of God. Perhaps, just perhaps, that is more motion than some here have made in years...**as Jesus said to his apostles while shaking his head in utter disbelief...how long must I be with you**
So you know his terms then I gather? And I love God and His Word, but something about using it this way is just way too smug!
It may well be that Lynn has been watching us all along! Isn't that him in the picture that appears at the top of some pages? You know the one. The one that says, "No gum to be stuck under tables! By order of management" :-D
John, I agree with Satori that you do exhibit an elitist attitude, but I do not believe that is THE REAL YOU. So, I forgive you for acting that way towards me and as Jesus said, "Go and sin no more" or in my venacular, if you wanted to, you could always seek the Lord's face on this and ask him to help you CHANGE!
JAL made himself COMPLETELY available to anyone that wants to stand accountable for their words and thoughts and deeds via a PERSONAL communication (HE supplied 2 phone numbers and an email address and exhorted any and all to call him). He also stated that he wanted it to be known that if he had offended anyone in any way he desired to know of it and desired forgiveness.("In the past 17+ years, I have asked forgiveness from plenty of ex-Way folks who said I hurt them, even if I didn't remember the incident, so I have no problem with you expressing personal offenses with me. I will not engage those who I sense want only to bitch about the past, but will do all I can for those who really want some help moving on and fulfilling their personal ministries.")
If anyone wants to stand make themselves known and speak it's available...if anyone desires to hide and post cutting posts without a heart of walking in God's grace and mercy... that's available also. God is a God of liberty. What are you afraid of Rascal?
Afraid of??? lol, I am *afraid* of nothing that you or John Lynn have to say....I am just uninterested in more bible schpeal from one who still desires the aproval of a proven evil man. I don`t trust that persons judgement or discernment abilities....
Listen carefully please....what I AM ...is disgusted by his pseudo love and pretended concern....PERIOD! NOT fear...disgust!
If John seriously cared about me or anyone else....he wouldn`t categorise and dismiss us as whiners and complainers....
See...if he honestly cared, he would minister to people WHERE they were at .... IN a method that they could understand and accept...whether it was a medium he himself is comfortable with or not.....thats how the REAL love of God ....(AND Jesus I will add) operated.
I have no problem with John Lynn and what he does....but don`t pretend you care when you are unwilling to bestir yourself to even converse with folks........don`t break your arm patting yourself on the back thinking that you have done anything for God or anyone else.......it`s the same old infomercial as we heard in twi....I can`t help you but I have the materials/class that can.....bah....that is the cowards way out....that is the pseudo love...and is greatly lacking in any true benefit....it simply looks and sounds good.....and you can asuage your guilty conscience.
Hey Dartanian, wake up. If he was here to answer questions, he could do so publicly. If he wanted to hear from more people personally (privately), he would let himself become better known publicly.
John Lynn is NOT afraid of meanies, and their flames and rude accusations. He would make short work of them, without even blinking, and the site is moderated besides. He's afraid (uh, yes - afraid) of being asked (never mind answering) REAL and HONEST and LEGITIMATE and REASONBLE questions in his virtual "presence," where he might then be ACCOUNTABLE for whatever those questions may raise (never mind the answers). In the great TWI tradition of leadership covering their own sorry @sses, the "personal communication" limitation is how the his holiness, Reverend Lynn may cover his own.
Dartanian, I'm sure CES lawyers (in other words, his "handlers"), sharing his own fears, have forbidden (FORBIDDEN) him to communicate here any further. Imagine the potential loss of revenue should he go on record (truthfully or not), and his in-CES'd-uous followers get passing wind of it. Much better to keep it "personal" (private), where he can control or deny what transpires.
Hey Dart-man, nice tune you quoted. I can almost hear the violins.
quote: Bzzzzzz.....I am a mosquito....a mosquito is what I am....
Of course, like any mosquito you're only out looking for blood. So what else is new? -->
What-the-Hay:
Please, by all means, wear your bug spray.
I have no wish draw John Lynn's blood, - merely to engage in a public discourse.
A public discourse? Nahhhh.... I doubt that is what you or anybody else is looking for with Mr Lynn. But put out the stagnant water and the decaying fruit and the mosquitos will come around. They also prefer it. [Which reveals much of what I think of the work of CES.]
Jesus Christ never rolled in the quicksand with those who were struggling to get out ...he rather extended his hand (not grabbing hands) for those who desired deliverance..those who believed in him saw their opportunity to escape and took his hand.
As to the medium of communication,
You honestly examine the posts here and determine what specific questions have been posed here for JAL to answer.
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
Nope... I assume nothing Dartanion...John Lynn himself labeled those who participate on ex way sites as whiners.. complainers...perpetual victims etc....I suggest you aquaint yoursel with his opinion of usin his interview that was on probergs site.
You see, if he catagorizes us as such...he can safely dismiss our value or his responsibility....it`s all in the mind games you play with yourself.
I am glad that God does not dismiss us or consider us whines.. complainers and perpetual victims....on the contrary...I see great things happening for many....it is a darn shame that John perception does not allow him to see the valid good being accomplished.....and dismiss us as unworthey of his attention.....sure glad God doesn`t treat us that way..
Look around dart, this ISN`T quick sand....nor are we struggeling...lol it is simply a site full of good folks at various stages of their journey.....
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
I think that is unfair of you Dart. Peoples experiences have widely varied from The Way and Ex Way types. Some folks are genuinely wounded. It does not good to dismiss such folks complaints as excessive, it only serves the purpose of poisioning there hurting faith in God.
People need genuine love for healing, not bullets.
I see it differently. These are not Rascals whining or complaints but hurts. She needs the ability to express them. Anything else IMO, is intimidation.
These people here have no book to write, no audience that hears them. JAL has that. Why shouldnt they have simple expression without it being labeled as complaints or whining?
You wrote: “Jesus Christ never rolled in the quicksand with those who were struggling to get out …”
I think you’re only looking at a few aspects of Jesus’ pre-Calvary ministry. On the cross he “hung out” with 3 antagonistic criminals who “cast the same in his teeth.” Hours later Jesus not only rolled in the quicksand, he rolled in the grave with those who couldn’t even struggle any more.
I’d like to see John Lynn answer Oakspear’s question.
Then I’d like to see him tell us (if VPW should be so approving of his work) how he snubbed (and continues to snub) Dr’s last teaching and his final instructions to master PFAL, both in 1985 and then again in 1998 when I brought it to his attention. I’d like to see him answer why he snubbed (and continues to snub) Dr’s 1979 instruction to all Advanced Class grads to master RHST which I’ve posted on numerous occasions here. I’d like to ask him how many other instructions he ignored from Dr back in the good old days when he was supposed to be an assistant of Dr’s in Dr’s ministry to us. Did he use Dr’s extreme popularity among many grads back then to develop his own following, just as he appealed to the very few mild admirer’s of vpw left here on this board?
I don’t think he (JAL) nor any of the other derelict top leadership have ever developed the spiritual balls to really face a single adversary who was amply equipped with word skills, let alone a whole community of them like here. Most top leadership left the debate-rich witnessing field to us lower peons in the early 70’s, and either lost or never developed the ability to sustain a friendly debate. For decades all their disagreements with grad underlings ended very early with psychological word-trickery or body language like grimacing, growling, or clenched fists.
Leader types like him are too afraid to publicly debate lest this great weakness of theirs be exposed, leaving them with potentially less gainful employment.
I’ve watched this whole JAL single-event, drive-by-posting with his emissary advance man careful testing the water temperature and tasting the food for him weeks ahead of time. I’ve seen how he is simply culling (via his ground rules) through all the moaners and groaners for few potential back-slappers who might still dig his style or Bible tid-bits. He can slap their backs and they can slap his, and simply ignore those with no such predisposition.
No, Dart, Jesus went down into the valley of human need and dared his adversaries to their faces so well, handled their debate challenges so well, that their only recourse was violence, and even that had to be under the cover of darkness. He went to the people who were hurting and put up with a lot of their bs, as well as their moaning and groaning and unbelief because he loved them. His mission was the impossible, and he made it possible for those with the REAL Christ in them to do it too.
quote:Jesus Christ never rolled in the quicksand with those who were struggling to get out ...he rather extended his hand (not grabbing hands) for those who desired deliverance..those who believed in him saw their opportunity to escape and took his hand
Please help me get this straight. If this is not what you meant, please correct me but this is what I heard you say:
*JAL represents Jesus Christ, the healthy one
*We are in the quicksand
*If we want to get out, we need to look to JAL for deliverance
That's what it sounded like you were saying. Are you SERIOUS???
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
Hey Dart-board, if anyone has assumed this role, it's you. Along with your complaints about GSC failing to bend at the knee before your favorite cult leaders, you have made yourself an accuser here.
As accuser, you are pretty much saying that anyone who doesn't see fit to meet John Lynn only on his own terms is, by definition, a "complainer and whiner." Get yourself a clue, Dartanian. Cow-towing to that kind of self-serving, pseudo-spiritual, elitest rubbish went out with the trash.
CES is hawking Jesus like he was a get-rich-quick real estate seminar. I find your own attitude every bit as mercenary as CES, and therefore TWI.
A public discourse? Nahhhh.... I doubt that is what you or anybody else is looking for with Mr Lynn. But put out the stagnant water and the decaying fruit and the mosquitos will come around. They also prefer it. [Which reveals much of what I think of the work of CES.]
Because it makes perfect sense and you're not looking deep enough - why it doesn't make sense to you. What do you think a metaphor is for? The last time I came in contact with Mr. Lynn was in a live chat room a couple years ago. I don't recall which board it was from - maybe Waydale? And he's gonna stick his foot out one more time - perhaps here on GS Cafe? You don't think so? Here is his remark right from the opening of this thread.
Now it could have been anyone masquerading as Mr. Lynn back then for all that matter (who knows for sure) but I do know nobody got very far with him about anything. He was content (stuck) with what he had and he only wanted to toss out the stagnant water and decaying fruit of CES - not any different now. I quickly got tired of the buzzzzzzzz going on (and apparently still going on).......
Hey Dart-board,(thanks for the name calling satori..real mature stance to take...attack the person with derogatory remarks...set the tone... if anyone has assumed this role, it's you. Along with your complaints(quote my complaint satori) about GSC failing to bend at the knee before your favorite(I didn't know I had favorites...thanks for pointing that out) cult leaders, you have made yourself an accuser here(oh really and what accusations have I made satori).
As accuser, you are pretty much saying that anyone who doesn't see fit to meet John Lynn only on his own terms is, by definition, a "complainer and whiner."(have no clue as to what you are saying satori...I never said the above...YOU did...would you like to know what I meant?? then kindly ask) Get yourself a clue,(sure satori you are so kind and aptient I will look to you for a clue)Dartanian. Cow-towing (the only cow-towing I see here satori is your prideful self attacking anyone who disagrees with you FOR YEARS NOW) to kind of self-serving, pseudo-spiritual, elitest rubbish went out with the trash.
CES is hawking Jesus like he was a get-rich-quick real estate seminar(oh really you have checked them out have you....when and where may I ask). I find your own attitude(ATTITUDE ATTITUDE LMAO was that a joke...of course it was coming from your mouth) every bit as mercenary (I understand now satori from your gentle and understanding ways how mercenary I am...thank you.)as CES, and therefore TWI.
Afraid of??? lol, I am *afraid* of nothing that you or John Lynn have to say....I am just uninterested in more bible schpeal from one who still desires the aproval of a proven evil man(are we referring to VPW...he has been dead rascal for about 20 years..Are the dead alive...does JAL seek the approval of a deadman?....if you are born again racal you will spend eternity with this EVIL man...does that bother you...if so take it up with the MAN upstairs). I don`t trust that persons judgement or discernment abilities....
Listen carefully please....what I AM ...is disgusted by his pseudo love and pretended concern....PERIOD! NOT fear...disgust!(no Racal you are very hurt and wounded and hide your affliction behind a guise of anger and sarcasm)
If John seriously cared about me or anyone else....he wouldn`t categorise and dismiss us as whiners and complainers....(where do you see that in his opening post....quote it to me please I dare you to find it)
See...if he honestly cared, he would minister to people WHERE they were at .... IN a method that they could understand and accept...whether it was a medium he himself is comfortable with or not.....thats how the REAL love of God ....,AND Jesus I will add, operated.(did not JAL come here to meet you and others at "your" medium...why are you so uncomfortable then??)
I have no problem with John Lynn and what he does....but don`t pretend you care when you are unwilling to bestir yourself to even converse with folks(he started a conversation have you responded rascal....I started a conversation and you misquoted me and made all types of erroneous assumptions and came to conclusions that are not so...have you showed you care about ME rascal...am I suppose to "FEEL THE LOVE SOMEWHERE HERE FROM YOU")........don`t break your arm patting yourself on the back thinking that you have done anything for God or anyone else.......it`s the same old infomercial as we heard in twi....I can`t help you but I have the materials/class that can.....bah....that is the cowards way out....that is the pseudo love...and is greatly lacking in any true benefit....it simply looks and sounds good.....and you can asuage your guilty conscience.(JAL has no conscious according to you and others so how could be concerned with asuaging (what does that mean anyway...lol)his so called guilty conscious)
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*looks over link*
Hm.
I wonder if the Pat R. on that site is the
same one who used to live in Texas...
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Cynic - The MM people include all the basic creeds, not because they believe them, but in order to not get kicked out of ANY potential recruiting ground on the basis of doctrinal differences. I don't consider MM a splinter of TWI. Its a rogue LGAT (large group awareness training) with a Christian veneer. There is at least one TWI splinter that has rationalized using trinitarian terminology (redefined to fit TWI doctrine where necessary) to sell their "parachurch" ministry in mainstream markets.
MM put up with CES' "stand" on the trinity because their acceptance of CES was bringing in the dollars. CES put up with MM' "stand" on the trinity, because Momentus was the GREATEST THING SINCE THE NEW BIRTH, doncha know. Besides, if CES hung around with MM long enough, CES would be able to convert MM with CES' sheer brilliance.
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Steve
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John Lynn lovingly made himself available to anyone here who would like to speak to him with a view towards repair and restoration and moving forward with the things of God. Perhaps, just perhaps, that is more motion than some here have made in years...**as Jesus said to his apostles while shaking his head in utter disbelief...how long must I be with you**
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How long? Ummm apparently just long enough to write one post ... that was all HE is willing to *be* with us ...
If thats love..no thanks, you can KEEP it!
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So you know his terms then I gather? And I love God and His Word, but something about using it this way is just way too smug!
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It may well be that Lynn has been watching us all along! Isn't that him in the picture that appears at the top of some pages? You know the one. The one that says, "No gum to be stuck under tables! By order of management" :-D
Love,
Steve
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Geo said:
LOL Geo!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
John, I agree with Satori that you do exhibit an elitist attitude, but I do not believe that is THE REAL YOU. So, I forgive you for acting that way towards me and as Jesus said, "Go and sin no more" or in my venacular, if you wanted to, you could always seek the Lord's face on this and ask him to help you CHANGE!
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Hi its me the real sky4it.
Lame joke.
But really John if your reading you can come visit , talk, perhaps we should all lay aside doctinal and other things.
Welcome to GS
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rascal and others:
JAL made himself COMPLETELY available to anyone that wants to stand accountable for their words and thoughts and deeds via a PERSONAL communication (HE supplied 2 phone numbers and an email address and exhorted any and all to call him). He also stated that he wanted it to be known that if he had offended anyone in any way he desired to know of it and desired forgiveness.("In the past 17+ years, I have asked forgiveness from plenty of ex-Way folks who said I hurt them, even if I didn't remember the incident, so I have no problem with you expressing personal offenses with me. I will not engage those who I sense want only to bitch about the past, but will do all I can for those who really want some help moving on and fulfilling their personal ministries.")
If anyone wants to stand make themselves known and speak it's available...if anyone desires to hide and post cutting posts without a heart of walking in God's grace and mercy... that's available also. God is a God of liberty. What are you afraid of Rascal?
What have you got to lose?
Some say love, it is a river
that drowns the tender reed.
Some say love, it is a razor
that leaves your soul to bleed.
Some say love, it is a hunger,
an endless aching need.
I say love, it is a flower,
and you its only seed.
It's the heart afraid of breaking
that never learns to dance.
It's the dream afraid of waking
that never takes the chance.
It's the one who won't be taken,
who cannot seem to give,
and the soul afraid of dyin'
that never learns to live.
When the night has been too lonely
and the road has been to long,
and you think that love is only
for the lucky and the strong,
just remember in the winter
far beneath the bitter snows
lies the seed that with the sun's love
in the spring becomes the rose.
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Afraid of??? lol, I am *afraid* of nothing that you or John Lynn have to say....I am just uninterested in more bible schpeal from one who still desires the aproval of a proven evil man. I don`t trust that persons judgement or discernment abilities....
Listen carefully please....what I AM ...is disgusted by his pseudo love and pretended concern....PERIOD! NOT fear...disgust!
If John seriously cared about me or anyone else....he wouldn`t categorise and dismiss us as whiners and complainers....
See...if he honestly cared, he would minister to people WHERE they were at .... IN a method that they could understand and accept...whether it was a medium he himself is comfortable with or not.....thats how the REAL love of God ....(AND Jesus I will add) operated.
I have no problem with John Lynn and what he does....but don`t pretend you care when you are unwilling to bestir yourself to even converse with folks........don`t break your arm patting yourself on the back thinking that you have done anything for God or anyone else.......it`s the same old infomercial as we heard in twi....I can`t help you but I have the materials/class that can.....bah....that is the cowards way out....that is the pseudo love...and is greatly lacking in any true benefit....it simply looks and sounds good.....and you can asuage your guilty conscience.
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Hey Dartanian, wake up. If he was here to answer questions, he could do so publicly. If he wanted to hear from more people personally (privately), he would let himself become better known publicly.
John Lynn is NOT afraid of meanies, and their flames and rude accusations. He would make short work of them, without even blinking, and the site is moderated besides. He's afraid (uh, yes - afraid) of being asked (never mind answering) REAL and HONEST and LEGITIMATE and REASONBLE questions in his virtual "presence," where he might then be ACCOUNTABLE for whatever those questions may raise (never mind the answers). In the great TWI tradition of leadership covering their own sorry @sses, the "personal communication" limitation is how the his holiness, Reverend Lynn may cover his own.
Dartanian, I'm sure CES lawyers (in other words, his "handlers"), sharing his own fears, have forbidden (FORBIDDEN) him to communicate here any further. Imagine the potential loss of revenue should he go on record (truthfully or not), and his in-CES'd-uous followers get passing wind of it. Much better to keep it "personal" (private), where he can control or deny what transpires.
Hey Dart-man, nice tune you quoted. I can almost hear the violins.
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A public discourse? Nahhhh.... I doubt that is what you or anybody else is looking for with Mr Lynn. But put out the stagnant water and the decaying fruit and the mosquitos will come around. They also prefer it. [Which reveals much of what I think of the work of CES.]
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Wtf Wth, I'm sorry you apparently find this such an unpleasant place to post...
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Rascal
Jesus Christ never rolled in the quicksand with those who were struggling to get out ...he rather extended his hand (not grabbing hands) for those who desired deliverance..those who believed in him saw their opportunity to escape and took his hand.
As to the medium of communication,
You honestly examine the posts here and determine what specific questions have been posed here for JAL to answer.
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
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Nope... I assume nothing Dartanion...John Lynn himself labeled those who participate on ex way sites as whiners.. complainers...perpetual victims etc....I suggest you aquaint yoursel with his opinion of usin his interview that was on probergs site.
You see, if he catagorizes us as such...he can safely dismiss our value or his responsibility....it`s all in the mind games you play with yourself.
I am glad that God does not dismiss us or consider us whines.. complainers and perpetual victims....on the contrary...I see great things happening for many....it is a darn shame that John perception does not allow him to see the valid good being accomplished.....and dismiss us as unworthey of his attention.....sure glad God doesn`t treat us that way..
Look around dart, this ISN`T quick sand....nor are we struggeling...lol it is simply a site full of good folks at various stages of their journey.....
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Dart: Your comment about Rascal:
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
I think that is unfair of you Dart. Peoples experiences have widely varied from The Way and Ex Way types. Some folks are genuinely wounded. It does not good to dismiss such folks complaints as excessive, it only serves the purpose of poisioning there hurting faith in God.
People need genuine love for healing, not bullets.
I see it differently. These are not Rascals whining or complaints but hurts. She needs the ability to express them. Anything else IMO, is intimidation.
These people here have no book to write, no audience that hears them. JAL has that. Why shouldnt they have simple expression without it being labeled as complaints or whining?
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Dart,
You wrote: “Jesus Christ never rolled in the quicksand with those who were struggling to get out …”
I think you’re only looking at a few aspects of Jesus’ pre-Calvary ministry. On the cross he “hung out” with 3 antagonistic criminals who “cast the same in his teeth.” Hours later Jesus not only rolled in the quicksand, he rolled in the grave with those who couldn’t even struggle any more.
I’d like to see John Lynn answer Oakspear’s question.
Then I’d like to see him tell us (if VPW should be so approving of his work) how he snubbed (and continues to snub) Dr’s last teaching and his final instructions to master PFAL, both in 1985 and then again in 1998 when I brought it to his attention. I’d like to see him answer why he snubbed (and continues to snub) Dr’s 1979 instruction to all Advanced Class grads to master RHST which I’ve posted on numerous occasions here. I’d like to ask him how many other instructions he ignored from Dr back in the good old days when he was supposed to be an assistant of Dr’s in Dr’s ministry to us. Did he use Dr’s extreme popularity among many grads back then to develop his own following, just as he appealed to the very few mild admirer’s of vpw left here on this board?
I don’t think he (JAL) nor any of the other derelict top leadership have ever developed the spiritual balls to really face a single adversary who was amply equipped with word skills, let alone a whole community of them like here. Most top leadership left the debate-rich witnessing field to us lower peons in the early 70’s, and either lost or never developed the ability to sustain a friendly debate. For decades all their disagreements with grad underlings ended very early with psychological word-trickery or body language like grimacing, growling, or clenched fists.
Leader types like him are too afraid to publicly debate lest this great weakness of theirs be exposed, leaving them with potentially less gainful employment.
I’ve watched this whole JAL single-event, drive-by-posting with his emissary advance man careful testing the water temperature and tasting the food for him weeks ahead of time. I’ve seen how he is simply culling (via his ground rules) through all the moaners and groaners for few potential back-slappers who might still dig his style or Bible tid-bits. He can slap their backs and they can slap his, and simply ignore those with no such predisposition.
No, Dart, Jesus went down into the valley of human need and dared his adversaries to their faces so well, handled their debate challenges so well, that their only recourse was violence, and even that had to be under the cover of darkness. He went to the people who were hurting and put up with a lot of their bs, as well as their moaning and groaning and unbelief because he loved them. His mission was the impossible, and he made it possible for those with the REAL Christ in them to do it too.
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Dartanian3m said to Rascal:
Please help me get this straight. If this is not what you meant, please correct me but this is what I heard you say:
*JAL represents Jesus Christ, the healthy one
*We are in the quicksand
*If we want to get out, we need to look to JAL for deliverance
That's what it sounded like you were saying. Are you SERIOUS???
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As accuser, you are pretty much saying that anyone who doesn't see fit to meet John Lynn only on his own terms is, by definition, a "complainer and whiner." Get yourself a clue, Dartanian. Cow-towing to that kind of self-serving, pseudo-spiritual, elitest rubbish went out with the trash.
CES is hawking Jesus like he was a get-rich-quick real estate seminar. I find your own attitude every bit as mercenary as CES, and therefore TWI.
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I've already got a savior, thank you very much!
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What The Hay
Because it makes perfect sense and you're not looking deep enough - why it doesn't make sense to you. What do you think a metaphor is for? The last time I came in contact with Mr. Lynn was in a live chat room a couple years ago. I don't recall which board it was from - maybe Waydale? And he's gonna stick his foot out one more time - perhaps here on GS Cafe? You don't think so? Here is his remark right from the opening of this thread.
Now it could have been anyone masquerading as Mr. Lynn back then for all that matter (who knows for sure) but I do know nobody got very far with him about anything. He was content (stuck) with what he had and he only wanted to toss out the stagnant water and decaying fruit of CES - not any different now. I quickly got tired of the buzzzzzzzz going on (and apparently still going on).......
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RESPONSE TO SATORI's POST (reposted with responses in parenthesis)
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Originally posted by Dartanian3m:
JAL addressed potential complainers and whiners but NEVER stated you were one nor did he dismiss all as such. YOU assumed that role for yourself.
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Hey Dart-board,(thanks for the name calling satori..real mature stance to take...attack the person with derogatory remarks...set the tone... if anyone has assumed this role, it's you. Along with your complaints(quote my complaint satori) about GSC failing to bend at the knee before your favorite(I didn't know I had favorites...thanks for pointing that out) cult leaders, you have made yourself an accuser here(oh really and what accusations have I made satori).
As accuser, you are pretty much saying that anyone who doesn't see fit to meet John Lynn only on his own terms is, by definition, a "complainer and whiner."(have no clue as to what you are saying satori...I never said the above...YOU did...would you like to know what I meant?? then kindly ask) Get yourself a clue,(sure satori you are so kind and aptient I will look to you for a clue)Dartanian. Cow-towing (the only cow-towing I see here satori is your prideful self attacking anyone who disagrees with you FOR YEARS NOW) to kind of self-serving, pseudo-spiritual, elitest rubbish went out with the trash.
CES is hawking Jesus like he was a get-rich-quick real estate seminar(oh really you have checked them out have you....when and where may I ask). I find your own attitude(ATTITUDE ATTITUDE LMAO was that a joke...of course it was coming from your mouth) every bit as mercenary (I understand now satori from your gentle and understanding ways how mercenary I am...thank you.)as CES, and therefore TWI.
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rascal's post with replies in parenthesis
Afraid of??? lol, I am *afraid* of nothing that you or John Lynn have to say....I am just uninterested in more bible schpeal from one who still desires the aproval of a proven evil man(are we referring to VPW...he has been dead rascal for about 20 years..Are the dead alive...does JAL seek the approval of a deadman?....if you are born again racal you will spend eternity with this EVIL man...does that bother you...if so take it up with the MAN upstairs). I don`t trust that persons judgement or discernment abilities....
Listen carefully please....what I AM ...is disgusted by his pseudo love and pretended concern....PERIOD! NOT fear...disgust!(no Racal you are very hurt and wounded and hide your affliction behind a guise of anger and sarcasm)
If John seriously cared about me or anyone else....he wouldn`t categorise and dismiss us as whiners and complainers....(where do you see that in his opening post....quote it to me please I dare you to find it)
See...if he honestly cared, he would minister to people WHERE they were at .... IN a method that they could understand and accept...whether it was a medium he himself is comfortable with or not.....thats how the REAL love of God ....,AND Jesus I will add, operated.(did not JAL come here to meet you and others at "your" medium...why are you so uncomfortable then??)
I have no problem with John Lynn and what he does....but don`t pretend you care when you are unwilling to bestir yourself to even converse with folks(he started a conversation have you responded rascal....I started a conversation and you misquoted me and made all types of erroneous assumptions and came to conclusions that are not so...have you showed you care about ME rascal...am I suppose to "FEEL THE LOVE SOMEWHERE HERE FROM YOU")........don`t break your arm patting yourself on the back thinking that you have done anything for God or anyone else.......it`s the same old infomercial as we heard in twi....I can`t help you but I have the materials/class that can.....bah....that is the cowards way out....that is the pseudo love...and is greatly lacking in any true benefit....it simply looks and sounds good.....and you can asuage your guilty conscience.(JAL has no conscious according to you and others so how could be concerned with asuaging (what does that mean anyway...lol)his so called guilty conscious)
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