I read the TWI official site (twice) first thing I noticed was that they dont really say what they expect a person to actually do when they have joined, much like the JW official site. You have to join to learn.
Can someone let me know where I can by way books please?
Yeah, I think you've got the basic flavor figured out.
It's sort of Amway for Jesus. A little 60s pop-psychology, a little Billy Sunday-style preaching, and maybe a dash of Masonic Order-type "We have truths the world knows not of".
Mix well, add in a generous dose of San Francisco style philosophy of free love and free thinking (at least during the early 70s)
and an upbeat message that God not only loves you but will give you ANYTHING you want, money, power, job, joy, peace, and ETERNAL SECURITY, and you've got your basic PFAL mindset.
WordWolf, sorry about the wrong forum thing, noted.
Can the thread be moved to the correct forum to preserve the contiuity? I am admin on one of the forums I frequent and moving threads is possible there.
Example, a JW is taught to be meek and mild, never to show loss of temper, do the presentation and walk away if the other person shows no interest or gets abusive,(basically).
During the 90s, losing one's temper was almost a prerequisite as the then-president lost his regularly. IMO, the short answer is imitate the person in charge. In fact, imitate them as much as possible in lifestyle, mannerisms,etc. and you will be viewed as very spiritual. No substance necessary. Oh, yes, look busy too.
If you're chuckling, know that I am too. However, it is true. I saw many climb the ladder in The Way by doing this.
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It was the scam, too
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Be fair!
At least Amway products have a demonstrable use!
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Ha! True! Used to sell Shaklee stuff (Amway's competiton). Maybe being in the "muti level marketing" got me prepped for "multi-level preaching".
Wonder if I should sue Shaklee?
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PJ? Anyone?
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I read the TWI official site (twice) first thing I noticed was that they dont really say what they expect a person to actually do when they have joined, much like the JW official site. You have to join to learn.
Can someone let me know where I can by way books please?
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Here's a link to the "About the Way" forum.
http://gscafe.com/groupee/forums?a=tpc&s=9...01504#708101504
High price of the docvic books on e-bay.
About the only place you can get them these days.
They gave away a lot at the "bookstore" there in Ohio back whenever.
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scroll up to Oldiesman's live link, about 8 Wierwille books.
Unless you are really serious, save your money.
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Searcher.
Ive ordered mine thru Amazon. They werent cheap, and Excathedra has generously sent me some also.
If you are interested in their doctrine you are in for a treat. It is most passing STRANGE doctrine to a pair of dub eyes.
Ive only read one book so far- "Power for Abundant living". Ive done a couple threads reviewing it in 'doctrinal'.
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Oh My!
WAY too expensive!
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It would have been nice to read what they actually offer/expect. I guess I will have to miss out on that, no worries.
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Search-
Rafael Olmeda did an excellent thread reviewing the "Blue" book. I'll find it when I get home and send you a link.
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A review of the "About the Way" forum threads
and the twi Doctrine archives should give you all the content you need
without subjecting you to the actual books.
You DON'T need the books. Really.
Oh, and next time, please post this in "About the Way" since this is
"About the Way". The Open forum is for everything that there isn't a
specific forum for.
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Here's a beginning point --
woops -- one more try.
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Search, they are real tetchy here about threads being in the right forum. Just one of those cute little things about the place.
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let's try ----
http://home.insightbb.com/~Gbarraxjr/BB01.htm
there, I think I got it.
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Yeah, I think you've got the basic flavor figured out.
It's sort of Amway for Jesus. A little 60s pop-psychology, a little Billy Sunday-style preaching, and maybe a dash of Masonic Order-type "We have truths the world knows not of".
Mix well, add in a generous dose of San Francisco style philosophy of free love and free thinking (at least during the early 70s)
and an upbeat message that God not only loves you but will give you ANYTHING you want, money, power, job, joy, peace, and ETERNAL SECURITY, and you've got your basic PFAL mindset.
I was young and foolish, so sue me...
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Thanks everyone for the replies.
WordWolf, sorry about the wrong forum thing, noted.
Can the thread be moved to the correct forum to preserve the contiuity? I am admin on one of the forums I frequent and moving threads is possible there.
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Transcending the decades by colors of books.
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White book -- Receiving the Holy Spirit
Orange book -- PFAL
Blue book -- The Bible Tells Me So
Green book --New Dynamic Church
Orange book with brown binding -- Word's Way
Tan book with dark brown binding--God's Magnified Word
2 books with same color --
Are the Dead Alive Now; and
Jesus Christ, our Promised Seed -- both blue.
and also the 2 red books --
Jesus Christ Our Passover, and
Order my Steps in thy Word.
Looks like a rainbow flag to me. Maybe lcm got paranoid seeing all this color!
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And don't forget the Yellow book -- Jesus Christ is NOT God.
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Some people are real tetchy about it, and I may be one of the loudest. I don't think most
care too much, unless you start piling a stack of them in the wrong forum.
In the "About the Way" forum, it woul be a LOT easier to direct you to other threads on
related subjects to what you asked, and people looking to discuss this would be able to
find it. I'm sure you knew that already.
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HA!!
:D--> I gotta tune in mind here.
"Let's all go down to the riverrrrrr,
and wash those sins awayyyyyyyy
Don't forget towel and buckettttt,
The soap is on Amway!"
Donations only, please. Nothing is obligatory here
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Im just joshin' you WW.
The Forum really is cute though.
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Sorry to have "continued" on here WW. You are right about the "Forum Location", but I see Searcher, as doing just that, searching.
Admirable to keep on looking, but still a new site, and he/she is not used to the labels yet.
btw -- good job of pointing to the correct "locale" for info desired!
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How is one taught to 'preach' in TWI?
Example, a JW is taught to be meek and mild, never to show loss of temper, do the presentation and walk away if the other person shows no interest or gets abusive,(basically).
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Searcher,
During the 90s, losing one's temper was almost a prerequisite as the then-president lost his regularly. IMO, the short answer is imitate the person in charge. In fact, imitate them as much as possible in lifestyle, mannerisms,etc. and you will be viewed as very spiritual. No substance necessary. Oh, yes, look busy too.
If you're chuckling, know that I am too. However, it is true. I saw many climb the ladder in The Way by doing this.
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When I was in (1970-86) we weren't taught how to preach. We were taught what to preach (the teachings of our leaders) but not how.
I never realized this till now.
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Interesting, here is a sample of 2 of the contents pages of one of the JW books ‘Qualified to be Ministers’, there are 4 contents pages.
CONTENTS
5
STUDY PAGE
QUALIFIED TO BE MINISTERS 9
SPEECH PREPARATION 16
SEARCHING OUT GOOD MATERIAL 1 16
PLANNING AN OUTLINE 2 20
THE INTRODUCTION 3 23
THE BODY OF A TALK 4 26
THE CONCLUSION 5 30
DELIVERY 33
No AUDIENCE FEAR 6 33
THE BEST MANNER OF PUBLIC SPEAKING . . . 7 37
ESSENTIAL QUALITIES OF EFFECTIVE SPEECH . . 8 40
PUBLIC READING 9 44
BODILY EXPRESSIONS 10 48
SENSE STRESS 11 50
MODULATION 12 53
SPEAKING EXTEMPORANEOUSLY 13 57
SPEAKING IMPROMPTU AND OTHERWISE . . . 14 61
MICROPHONE SPEAKING 15 65
VOICE IMPROVEMENT 16 67
CONDUCT BEFORE AN AUDIENCE 17 70
A POISED AND CONFIDENT SPEAKER 18 75
OVERCOMING DISTURBANCES 19 78
GOOD EVERYDAY SPEECH 20 82
6 CONTENTS
STUDY PACE
MEETINGS 86
HOW To BE A CHAIRMAN 21 86
PUBLIC MEETINGS 22 89
INSTRUCTIVE SERVICE MEETINGS 23 93
"WATCHTOWER" STUDY MEETINGS 24 97
CONGREGATION BOOK STUDIES 25 100
THE THEOCRATIC MINISTRY SCHOOL 26 104
RADIO AND TELEVISION PRESENTATIONS . . . 27 108
COMPOSITION 113
CONDENSING 28 113
THE ART OF WRITING 29 116
BUILDING YOUR COMPOSITION 30 121
WRITING BEFORE THE FLOOD 31 125
WRITING AFTER THE FLOOD 32 128
HEBREW BIBLE COMPOSITION 33 133
GREEK BIBLE COMPOSITION 34 137
GOOD WORD CHOICE 35 140
LETTERS 36 144
PRIVATE STUDY 148
READING 37 148
How TO STUDY 38 151
STUDYING "THE WATCHTOWER" 39 155
USE OF WATCH TOWER BIBLE HELPS 40 158
USE OF CONCORDANCES 41 162
BIBLE DICTIONARIES 42 166
OTHER STUDY HELPS 43 170
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