Quote: "We believe the early Church flourished rapidly because they operated within a Root, Trunk, Limb, Branch and Twig setup"
Well, call it that, or call it:
"Quorums of the 70s"/"Quorum of the 12"/ "Quorum of the First presidency"/"Prophet"
I still call it a pyramid.
Theres nothing clever about a pyramid structured organization.
Theyre everywhere.
Of course, the governing heirachy of TWI might use a "tree" analogy to convey the impression its organization is structured counter to the totalitarian pyramid, but the flow of power is still from the governing heirachy down.
True, Trefor, but when a system of checks and balances for those higher up in the organization is missing, there is always the temptation for fiscal and emotional abuse. Many businesses have self-destructed because of it.
Would a pyramid be the best metaphor? ALL power was centered in the BOT. It wasn't top down. It was top reaching directly into every situation. By the time TWI-2 was ending, ALL teaching themes and classes schedules were set by HQ. All Foundational classes, for example, ran concurrently across the US. All themes for every week were set by HQ. Even the regularity and types of activities were done in OH.
For example:
Meet twice per week
TC has to teach so many times per month
One outreach event per month run by an AC Grad.
Weekly theme from HQ tied to STS tapes
Specified times per month that a WayMag article would be "taught"
How about a hub and spoke model? All power comes from Rome, oops, New Knoxville.
Not poking fun at Roman Catholics. Just that I KNOW that TWI would hate to be compared to them. :-)
Oh Refiner! ...but you've got it all wrong! ...it was an upside down pyramid... the leadership supported doncha know! ...sure... everyone remembers that! the root, and the trunk supported... that was their purpose!
They can say "trust us with the money, we will not have to account for how it is used but you know we will use it wisely."
They will also claim that only they can receive full revelation and inspiration - they are God's chosen and how therefore could they lead people astray?
Whether it's New Knoxville, or Rome, or Salt Lake City that is the case. The leadership is vested with a cloud of infalliblity and secrecy that the followers must not and should not question.
Refiner, were you ever in TWI? Because you are very wise about the abuse in power using a hierarchical church structure. This was the foundational and central evil of this little cult in Ohio that we refer to as TWI. If TWI's biblical and practical error in the use of their pyramid could have been corrected then other doctrinal and practical error could have been corrected also.
They beleive thier poop doesn't smell and our lives and money belong to them. Not anymore TWI we got our lives back and our money or tithe goes to someone else. And God has lead us into prosperity without you help.
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Quote: "We believe the early Church flourished rapidly because they operated within a Root, Trunk, Limb, Branch and Twig setup"
Well, call it that, or call it:
"Quorums of the 70s"/"Quorum of the 12"/ "Quorum of the First presidency"/"Prophet"
I still call it a pyramid.
Theres nothing clever about a pyramid structured organization.
Theyre everywhere.
Of course, the governing heirachy of TWI might use a "tree" analogy to convey the impression its organization is structured counter to the totalitarian pyramid, but the flow of power is still from the governing heirachy down.
So a pyramid it is.
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Trefor Heywood
But how many religious group/churches are not hierarchichal in structure?
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shazdancer
True, Trefor, but when a system of checks and balances for those higher up in the organization is missing, there is always the temptation for fiscal and emotional abuse. Many businesses have self-destructed because of it.
TWI was set up for it.
Regards,
Shaz
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JustThinking
Would a pyramid be the best metaphor? ALL power was centered in the BOT. It wasn't top down. It was top reaching directly into every situation. By the time TWI-2 was ending, ALL teaching themes and classes schedules were set by HQ. All Foundational classes, for example, ran concurrently across the US. All themes for every week were set by HQ. Even the regularity and types of activities were done in OH.
For example:
Meet twice per week
TC has to teach so many times per month
One outreach event per month run by an AC Grad.
Weekly theme from HQ tied to STS tapes
Specified times per month that a WayMag article would be "taught"
How about a hub and spoke model? All power comes from Rome, oops, New Knoxville.
Not poking fun at Roman Catholics. Just that I KNOW that TWI would hate to be compared to them. :-)
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Tom Strange
Oh Refiner! ...but you've got it all wrong! ...it was an upside down pyramid... the leadership supported doncha know! ...sure... everyone remembers that! the root, and the trunk supported... that was their purpose!
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Trefor Heywood
Very true Shaz.
They can say "trust us with the money, we will not have to account for how it is used but you know we will use it wisely."
They will also claim that only they can receive full revelation and inspiration - they are God's chosen and how therefore could they lead people astray?
Whether it's New Knoxville, or Rome, or Salt Lake City that is the case. The leadership is vested with a cloud of infalliblity and secrecy that the followers must not and should not question.
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Goey
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oldiesman
Looks like it's snowing outside.
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Trefor Heywood
An excellent example of the principle of cascading.... ;)-->
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Refiner
Based on Goeys post it was definitely a tree, not a pyramid.
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Mark Sanguinetti
Refiner, were you ever in TWI? Because you are very wise about the abuse in power using a hierarchical church structure. This was the foundational and central evil of this little cult in Ohio that we refer to as TWI. If TWI's biblical and practical error in the use of their pyramid could have been corrected then other doctrinal and practical error could have been corrected also.
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washingtonweather
Hey Goey---that should be the anniversary yearly theme poster HAHAHAHA
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houseisarockin
Goey, LMAO! :D-->
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wyteduv58
They beleive thier poop doesn't smell and our lives and money belong to them. Not anymore TWI we got our lives back and our money or tithe goes to someone else. And God has lead us into prosperity without you help.
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Trefor Heywood
An interesting thought wyteduv:
We found power for abundant living despite TWI not because of it! :D-->
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