What, if anything, do they have to say about Reverend Miller of New York? You know, the guy that predicted the return of Christ was going to be in 1842, uh, no, make that 1843, uh, wait a minute, make that...
Anyway, from what I've read, it was Rev. Miller's ministry that gave birth to both the Seventh Day Adventists and the JW church (eventually). So, is there any acknowledgement of this guy in the "Kingdom Halls"?
Welcome refiner- You asked if TWI revises and or burns its materials- the answer is yes.
Before I left the minstry in 1995 I was told and helped to destroy all my materials, tapes books etc. from before about 1992. The classes to teach TWI doctrine were reworked, renamed and re-released in about 1995.
One reason why you may have been asked by another poster is because we have occasionaly had a "drive by poster" who often arrives with provocative topics and then promotes their own doctrine or agenda.
It appears to me that you only agenda is fellowship and curiosity which is always welcome and refreshing.
Like the philosphers on mars hill we are always looking for something new to discuss. ;)-->
George, all history pertyaining to the churches roots in Millerism, and the predictive history of Russell has been expunged.
Witnesses do not have access to published materials of the Watchtower Society prior to about 1930.
It is a classic case of history fabrication and a book burning exercize to conceal the fact that they have uttered error and falsehood as "divine Truth".
One belief held by The Way, only briefly touched upon by Garth, is that a major key to the abundant life is tithing and then some. God's blessings to Israel were dependent on the tithe, and since Christians have been given so much more by God than Israel was, surely Christians can give more. In Wayspeak, giving above the tithe is called "abundant sharing"; and giving everything beyond your need is called "plurality giving."
Incidentally, I still give my present ministry more than 10% of my income, not because some psycho screams at me but becuase I do feel blessed by all God has given me.
George (not Aar)
P.S.: There really are a lot of posts for a new thread here. It's going to be a long weekend!
Re:"all history pertaining to the churches roots in Millerism, and the predictive history of Russell has been expunged."
I sorta thought that would be the case. Like with the Mormons and the early "religious" efforts of Joseph Smith, nobody knows much about it. Likewise in WayWorld, "Doctor" Wierwille's early ministry shenanigans and unrepentant sexual predations are seldom the topic of conversation at TWI functions.
Of course, the true believer - whatever brand of religiosity he smokes - is totally uninterested in anything that diminishes the sheen of his chosen denomination. Funny how the mind works. "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's made up!"
Actually, according to TWI, the tithe is sufficient for God to supply all one's physical needs. Abundant sharing and plurality giving are indicative of greater spiritual depth, and the rewards are in that category.
I'm confused by your statement that ex cult victims "have no generations to continue their bloodline on." I'm not sure how you're connecting financial giving with posterity.
Yeah, yeah, doctrine, schmoctrine. Ex, have some chocolate and get back in there and FLIRT!
Oh, and if any single fellers on the North American continent wish to indulge in good old American anonymous online cyber-flirting, I'm available. ;)-->(no TWI inference intended)
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excathedra
okay fine i'll reconsider, if you want to talk boring doctrine, go ahead
but as far as "take a pill" you are a little brat (as i am)
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In the words of Socrates, pthpthptphtphpthppthpthppthppthptphptphth!
I think that was Socrates, anyway.
Oh, no, wait. That wasn't him. That was Plato. Socrates is the one who said, "I drank what?"
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i admit: i am an emotional big baby OK ?????
and i'm super sensitive to people who think they have a BIBLE (BIBLICAL) perspective
just ignore me
and james, thank you, you owe me crappola
and rafael, you were in the "way" for less than a year. it drives me nuts that you come across as an expert
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Hey Raf. Start a thread on Dispensationalism in the appropriate forum.
I'll respond in there.
Id rather it be public.
Thanks.
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Go to 'Doctrinal" bro.
Id rather keep this one general and flirt with ExCath in here.
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There is nothing rude about a private topic, Refiner.
But the appropriate forum would be the Doctrinal. I'll post there.
EDIT: oops: you beat me to it.
We now return to "Flirting with Excy."
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Raf..
Can I have some of that coffee? Do you have cream and sugar? I think you were actually trying to quote "Bill the Cat" with that pthpthpth line.
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Refiner
Do naughty posters who fight with each other get suspended on this forum? Posting limits reduced?
Just curious here.
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excathedra
oh screw you all about the flirting crap
i just hate "know-it-alls"
oh yes here is a newbie from austrailia, let's show him how much we know the bible
puke
and rafael should know me better goddamnit
oh shoot she cursed, she can't be a real christian or whatever y'all are into
i better go take a pill
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Raf
This was nothing. The real clashes have gotten tossed to the Soap Opera forum, where they usually die quick deaths.
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excathedra
you get suspended for personal attacks whatever that means
i should get off here before i get suspended
i love raf just don't agree .... he's a bible thumper loved by most including me
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I try not to thump too hard.
Luvya too excy.
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Refiner,
Just a quick question about JW's, if you will.
What, if anything, do they have to say about Reverend Miller of New York? You know, the guy that predicted the return of Christ was going to be in 1842, uh, no, make that 1843, uh, wait a minute, make that...
Anyway, from what I've read, it was Rev. Miller's ministry that gave birth to both the Seventh Day Adventists and the JW church (eventually). So, is there any acknowledgement of this guy in the "Kingdom Halls"?
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George Arr.
Entirely correct.
The Witnesses are a spin off from Millerism.
Raf is holding a discussion of this matter in the Doctrinal forum.
I'll be happy to discuss it there, or here, as people see fit.
But go easy on me,I dont have the quotes to back my position right at my fingertips and might not be posting completely accurate details.
The general thrust is correct though.
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Welcome refiner- You asked if TWI revises and or burns its materials- the answer is yes.
Before I left the minstry in 1995 I was told and helped to destroy all my materials, tapes books etc. from before about 1992. The classes to teach TWI doctrine were reworked, renamed and re-released in about 1995.
One reason why you may have been asked by another poster is because we have occasionaly had a "drive by poster" who often arrives with provocative topics and then promotes their own doctrine or agenda.
It appears to me that you only agenda is fellowship and curiosity which is always welcome and refreshing.
Like the philosphers on mars hill we are always looking for something new to discuss.
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George, all history pertyaining to the churches roots in Millerism, and the predictive history of Russell has been expunged.
Witnesses do not have access to published materials of the Watchtower Society prior to about 1930.
It is a classic case of history fabrication and a book burning exercize to conceal the fact that they have uttered error and falsehood as "divine Truth".
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cKerr.
The only doctrine Im pushing is freedom from cult mind control and deceptive practise.
Im not a Christian or a follower of any other form of formalized belief system.
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Refiner,
One belief held by The Way, only briefly touched upon by Garth, is that a major key to the abundant life is tithing and then some. God's blessings to Israel were dependent on the tithe, and since Christians have been given so much more by God than Israel was, surely Christians can give more. In Wayspeak, giving above the tithe is called "abundant sharing"; and giving everything beyond your need is called "plurality giving."
Incidentally, I still give my present ministry more than 10% of my income, not because some psycho screams at me but becuase I do feel blessed by all God has given me.
George (not Aar)
P.S.: There really are a lot of posts for a new thread here. It's going to be a long weekend!
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Refiner,
Re:"all history pertaining to the churches roots in Millerism, and the predictive history of Russell has been expunged."
I sorta thought that would be the case. Like with the Mormons and the early "religious" efforts of Joseph Smith, nobody knows much about it. Likewise in WayWorld, "Doctor" Wierwille's early ministry shenanigans and unrepentant sexual predations are seldom the topic of conversation at TWI functions.
Of course, the true believer - whatever brand of religiosity he smokes - is totally uninterested in anything that diminishes the sheen of his chosen denomination. Funny how the mind works. "Don't confuse me with facts, my mind's made up!"
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Refiner - that sounds like me also- try the mocha latte thunder from down under.
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GSG Said:
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"In Wayspeak, giving above the tithe is called "abundant sharing"; and giving everything beyond your need is called "plurality giving."
And the more you give, the more you shall recieve.
Tenfold even.
That must be why so many ex cult victims are living in caravans and have no generations to continue their bloodline on.
Sigh.
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,Refiner,
Actually, according to TWI, the tithe is sufficient for God to supply all one's physical needs. Abundant sharing and plurality giving are indicative of greater spiritual depth, and the rewards are in that category.
I'm confused by your statement that ex cult victims "have no generations to continue their bloodline on." I'm not sure how you're connecting financial giving with posterity.
George
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Yeah, yeah, doctrine, schmoctrine. Ex, have some chocolate and get back in there and FLIRT!
Oh, and if any single fellers on the North American continent wish to indulge in good old American anonymous online cyber-flirting, I'm available.
;)-->(no TWI inference intended)
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Did someone say something about paying the moderators? Oh well, I got a nice sweatshirt out of the deal.
Or maybe it was freeing the moderators...?
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