I wasn't aware that kids talking to imaginary friends meant that they were talking to devil spirits.
That might have been the reason my Roman Catholic mother decided to pull me in from outside in the back yard after speaking to and offering part of my lunch to my invisible friend. Making me kneel and throwing holy water on me was not fun.
But I suppose calling my invisible friend "Beelzebub" didn't help much, either.
It always amazes me the way medical science is growing by leaps and bounds. That article said it was usually cured with Acyclovir. We didn't even have acyclovir or anything like it in 1972.
As far as I personally am concerned any time anyone gets healed of something that nasty, let alone the nasty things like cancer we see so much, it's a miracle.
Don't know if this has been covered. Jim Jones and the Kolaid capper. Jonestown was a mock, ficticious story of CIA cover up. That their were not 900 plus people who commited suiside but a plan to get a top secret facility out of the country. The coffins were used to break it down, peice by peice. I got this info at Advance class of "79".
I have a few questions.
1. If it was TOP SECRET, how did TWI get the info?
2. Explain to the Family memebers where their love ones are.
3. If this really did happen (which I don't buy) Why put your organization at risk for being a target by the Gov't, to keep this info concelled.
It appears once again the attention that TWI drew to itself as being the only source for globle truth. That their take is absolute and from Gods perspective. How ARROGANT.
well imbus, we got filled with that stuff in residence that year... veepee got a lot of his stuff from some radical conspiracy magazine (or group) that he subscribed to... I'm sure somebody knows the name... if you look at their historical "predictions and claims" I'd bet that they go right along with what veepee was saying at the time... (for the most part)... ya know the man never had an original idea (oops! IMO)... he just built a better "game"...
but always in the third person. I never met anyone who was the subject of these healings
(the blind could see, limbs regrew, people
were instantly cured from cancer). And furthermore I was discouraged from seeking out
these people who had received these miracles.
Why ? Perhaps these miracles were exagerrated ?
Perhaps they never in fact occurred ?
I ran into lots of people for whom the word miracle had become very watered down in terms of
definition. People with sore throats were claiming miracles simply because someone prayed for them and three days later they were all better ! Err....Okay if you say so but I think
that time and rest were the cause of the "miracle".
And then once I was told to come to Twig so I could talk to someone who just that very day had
experienced a REAL mircale. So man I was there like one hour ahead of time and I had to wait
till after Twig to find out what the miracle was. So ready ? This person who had expressed
interest in PFAL had been $20 short for the "donation" (why did they call it that ?)
and at the last minute (actually about 10 days before the class was to start) this lady's uncle
Wow, that is lame. I once had someone get their tax refund check in time to register for a class. That was somehow God's master plan unfolding as well.
Did Martindale ever explain in his book why TWI few, if any, miracles like those in Acts?
I don't remember specifics... (it was a long time ago) but I can remember "ministering" to people and coming up with things "out of the blue" that the folks sometimes would acknowledge... sometimes not... sometimes people would be "healed", sometimes not... I guess it depended on the you and the person...
I don't know how it's done today, but back then someone would just say "I need ministering to"... no specifics, no hints... and if you're believing was up to it, you just said "sure"... I don't know about blind people seeing, or limbs growing back... but folks got healed...
If it was true, there was no need to categorize it as "major" or "minor"... but there was deliverance (not the banjo kind)...
don't know how it's done today, but back then someone would just say "I need ministering to"... no specifics, no hints... and if you're believing was up to it, you just said "sure"...
>>
This is also how I remember it. As you said
there might be some acknowledgement
that what you said as you ministered was
in the ballpark whereas other times there
were entire misses. Once I was ministering to
a guy and got it in my mind that his appendix
was infected so I mentioned that and then he started laughing a little bit. In my puffed up
Way brain I though he was just thrilled that
I had nailed his problem. Afterwards the guy told me he had his appendix removed years ago.
And once someone was ministering to me and
told me to stand up straight and had this trumphant smile like he had uncovered some
exotic malady !!!
Please understand that I'm talking about those
major healings as mentioned - blind seeing,
amputees growing limbs - these were things I
was told were happening on a routine basis yet
I could never find solid evidence of any of
this and furthermore I was discouraged from doing so - "Leave them alone they've been through enough". The biblical precendent for
miracles involves the recipient willingly sharing his/her miracle to give god the glory.
In TWI they wanted credit for these mindblowing
miracles without backing it up.
I will say this - that before my time with TWI up until my earliest days with TWI (before I had PFAL or any of that) I encountered situations with a friend
of mine which were pretty hair-raising in
terms of accuracy during ministering but we were unable to repeat that as we progressed
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I wasn't aware that kids talking to imaginary friends meant that they were talking to devil spirits.
That might have been the reason my Roman Catholic mother decided to pull me in from outside in the back yard after speaking to and offering part of my lunch to my invisible friend. Making me kneel and throwing holy water on me was not fun.
But I suppose calling my invisible friend "Beelzebub" didn't help much, either.
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Figures, I wonder if all the BOT got it too.
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Behavior disturbances! So that's why the old coot is so crazy!
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It always amazes me the way medical science is growing by leaps and bounds. That article said it was usually cured with Acyclovir. We didn't even have acyclovir or anything like it in 1972.
As far as I personally am concerned any time anyone gets healed of something that nasty, let alone the nasty things like cancer we see so much, it's a miracle.
WG
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Don't know if this has been covered. Jim Jones and the Kolaid capper. Jonestown was a mock, ficticious story of CIA cover up. That their were not 900 plus people who commited suiside but a plan to get a top secret facility out of the country. The coffins were used to break it down, peice by peice. I got this info at Advance class of "79".
I have a few questions.
1. If it was TOP SECRET, how did TWI get the info?
2. Explain to the Family memebers where their love ones are.
3. If this really did happen (which I don't buy) Why put your organization at risk for being a target by the Gov't, to keep this info concelled.
It appears once again the attention that TWI drew to itself as being the only source for globle truth. That their take is absolute and from Gods perspective. How ARROGANT.
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We learned these things because the BoD and BoT were charter members of the Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society.
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well imbus, we got filled with that stuff in residence that year... veepee got a lot of his stuff from some radical conspiracy magazine (or group) that he subscribed to... I'm sure somebody knows the name... if you look at their historical "predictions and claims" I'd bet that they go right along with what veepee was saying at the time... (for the most part)... ya know the man never had an original idea (oops! IMO)... he just built a better "game"...
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better known by their acronym
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I am SO going to plagiarize that (or re-plagiarize, as the case may be) on a regular basis.
From henceforth, the Board of Whatevers of TWI shall be known as The Keepers Of Odd Knowledge Society!
Dittos.
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I hope that will be a rush job.
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In general tales of miraculous and profound
healings were numerous and widely circulated
but always in the third person. I never met anyone who was the subject of these healings
(the blind could see, limbs regrew, people
were instantly cured from cancer). And furthermore I was discouraged from seeking out
these people who had received these miracles.
Why ? Perhaps these miracles were exagerrated ?
Perhaps they never in fact occurred ?
I ran into lots of people for whom the word miracle had become very watered down in terms of
definition. People with sore throats were claiming miracles simply because someone prayed for them and three days later they were all better ! Err....Okay if you say so but I think
that time and rest were the cause of the "miracle".
And then once I was told to come to Twig so I could talk to someone who just that very day had
experienced a REAL mircale. So man I was there like one hour ahead of time and I had to wait
till after Twig to find out what the miracle was. So ready ? This person who had expressed
interest in PFAL had been $20 short for the "donation" (why did they call it that ?)
and at the last minute (actually about 10 days before the class was to start) this lady's uncle
gave her a twenty. And this was being touted as
a TOTALLLY REAL miracle of God and was used
to illustrate that God wanted this person , and
everyone, to take PFAL.
Don't let people cheapen the concept of miracle
for you. Keep that standard high - that way when
one does happen you will definitely know it.
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Diazbro,
Wow, that is lame. I once had someone get their tax refund check in time to register for a class. That was somehow God's master plan unfolding as well.
Did Martindale ever explain in his book why TWI few, if any, miracles like those in Acts?
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I don't remember specifics... (it was a long time ago) but I can remember "ministering" to people and coming up with things "out of the blue" that the folks sometimes would acknowledge... sometimes not... sometimes people would be "healed", sometimes not... I guess it depended on the you and the person...
I don't know how it's done today, but back then someone would just say "I need ministering to"... no specifics, no hints... and if you're believing was up to it, you just said "sure"... I don't know about blind people seeing, or limbs growing back... but folks got healed...
If it was true, there was no need to categorize it as "major" or "minor"... but there was deliverance (not the banjo kind)...
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"Banjo kind." Too funny!
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I experienced that "miracle" myself. I got my tax refund just in time for the class and it was almost the exact amount of the "donation."
Praise the Lord!!
I should have used that money to get new tires for my car, like I originally planned.
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Pirate,
It was a sign from Gawd! ;-)
Has anyone listed corpse and wow assignments as being done by revelation?
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Tom Strange said:
don't know how it's done today, but back then someone would just say "I need ministering to"... no specifics, no hints... and if you're believing was up to it, you just said "sure"...
>>
This is also how I remember it. As you said
there might be some acknowledgement
that what you said as you ministered was
in the ballpark whereas other times there
were entire misses. Once I was ministering to
a guy and got it in my mind that his appendix
was infected so I mentioned that and then he started laughing a little bit. In my puffed up
Way brain I though he was just thrilled that
I had nailed his problem. Afterwards the guy told me he had his appendix removed years ago.
And once someone was ministering to me and
told me to stand up straight and had this trumphant smile like he had uncovered some
exotic malady !!!
Please understand that I'm talking about those
major healings as mentioned - blind seeing,
amputees growing limbs - these were things I
was told were happening on a routine basis yet
I could never find solid evidence of any of
this and furthermore I was discouraged from doing so - "Leave them alone they've been through enough". The biblical precendent for
miracles involves the recipient willingly sharing his/her miracle to give god the glory.
In TWI they wanted credit for these mindblowing
miracles without backing it up.
I will say this - that before my time with TWI up until my earliest days with TWI (before I had PFAL or any of that) I encountered situations with a friend
of mine which were pretty hair-raising in
terms of accuracy during ministering but we were unable to repeat that as we progressed
in our "walk" with TWI. I've often felt that
perhaps the religion of TWI put a damper on
that "pipeline".
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GrouchoMarxJr
Satan killed Elvis because he knew that everyone would go out and buy his records instead of Stevie Kays new album.
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GrouchoMarxJr
speaking in tongues for one hour is equal to getting 8 hours of sleep.
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GrouchoMarxJr
God showed veepee the "third heaven and earth" in a mighty vision.
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GrouchoMarxJr
veepee, lcm and geer all traveled together in a golden chariot straight through the center of the sun, protected only by their sunship rights.
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excathedra
ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha
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Of course CG will be DRIVING THE GOLDEN CHARIOT!
THAT WAS FUNNY, UH....good one!
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