No, you don't have to accept anything you don't want to. You made up your mind before you first posted and I don't have the time or energy to "convert" you to whatever.... I could really care less what your personal views are on healthcare - what is your background on the subject, anyhow? Do you work in healthcare? Are you a clinical professional?
I work in a hospital in healthcare quality management. I know how "human" physicians and other clinical staff can be - I work with the reports, attend the meetings, etc., everyday. I also hear the success stories. My hospital is a small, rural hospital with an aging but high poverty level population (retired blue collar workers) - there isn't much alternative medicinal practices going on here. Part of my job includes supporting the spiritual care coordinator and the care managers in their taking care of acute patients. At times this includes getting the patients hospice care. I have an insider's view as to what the current trends are in my area and there is little "alternative" medicine being practiced, but there is more pastoral care taking place than ever before. Again, it's treating the "whole" patient. The hospitals on the NH seacoast, just a little over an hour away, reiki, acupuncture, aromatherapies, etc., as being welcomed with open arms into the hospitals there. But it's coupled with traditional medicine - "best of both worlds", if you will.
In short, if it works for the patient, whether in truth or in part, isn't that what it's all about in the long run? It's their choice, their health, their body. Why are you getting your knickers in a knot about what others consider a *part* of their healthcare, anyhow?
(I say *part* because no one yet has said that reiki is all they pursue for healing...)
Okay, so when it comes to all manner of new age voodoo, the burden of proof is upon the skeptic to show that it doesn't work.
Is that the new standard?
If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
"As with most everything, it depends on the people involved... one of the local hospices took care of my dad his last few months... their sole focus was to make him comfortable and also give my mom a break... and they were wonderful at that and took care of everything when he did pass... my experience with them was nothing but positive...
it just depends on the "practitioners" I guess..."
Tom, that was part of my point, I'm glad someone saw it. Guess I wasn't too clear. My issues with hospice when my mom was dying weren't about hospice being bad, or even that the practitioner was bad. It was about ME not wanting to let go of my mom. Me being unable to accept that she was dying. What hospice did for her was probably to her benefit - she was in a lot of pain even with all the morphine she was getting. It probably was best for her to let go, but I didn't want to let go.
As someone who works in medical malpractice defense, I can guarantee you, you should not take a doctor's word at face value without putting your own time and research into it.
The same is true of any alternative medicines. However, I would likewise not dismiss alternative methods simply because they are alternative. I know next to nothing about the practice of reiki - but if it brings comfort to someone in need then more power to it. If it's not for someone else, they should have the right to refuse it. Not very complicated really.
"Okay, so when it comes to all manner of new age voodoo, the burden of proof is upon the skeptic to show that it doesn't work.
Is that the new standard?"
Of course not. The burden of proof is on the one with the "new age voodoo" as you call it...if...they were trying to prove anything.
"If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has."
Agreed, but personally, I haven't seen it. I don't know of any reiki folks who encourage people to stay away from doctors. Or even to substitute reiki any mainstream medical treatment.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
Maybe, I haven't seen them personally, but I'm sure that it happens somewhere. Certainty? I've not seen a reiki practicioner guarantee anything.
There have been articles in the mainstream media about the effectiveness of prayer. Modern medicine is even startting to accept and, yes, even encourage some forms of alternative therapies in conjunction with sound medical advice and treatment.
The problem with spiritual and ethereal realms is that they can't be measured in double blind studies and sterile clinics. These kinds of things are very personal and they depend on intangible variables, so it really boils down to whether you believe it or not.
Satori brings up a valid point concerning certification.
There is a huge difference between certificates and certifications...
For example, in my career field....
After someone has taken various classes and passed and received a certicicate for these classes. At this point, the person studies for 3 tests (about 4 hours long each). After these 3 tests are passed within a certain time frame (1 year), you are then certified.
Another example is:
I have taken a few spreadsheet courses in my career (starting with LOTUS 1-2-3 and most recently a course on the latest version of Excel). I have received certificates for these courses. I feel conifident that I can build a good spreadsheet, however I am no expert in Excel (I have seen experts).
Most certification tests are very difficult (by design) and few pass on the first time of testing.
There is a reasonable expectation of measurable expertise with various types certifications and degrees.
In the medical profession, you would expect a MD to know more than a PA and a RN to know more than a PN.
As Chase pointed out the medical profession is far from perfect. And, sometimes it night come down to the best educated guess.
The medical profession has a "standards of practice" and review boards.
Please don't get me wrong. I am sure that a loving touch does tremoundous good in the recovery process. It's been documented that even the petting of a cat or dog helps with calming of stress thereby helping to lower blood pressure (but, does not eliminate the need for taking medication if perscribed by a DR.).
The touch of a professional massage therapyst has done wonders for my back, neck, shoulders and arms.
In Reiki how do you seperate the real from the fake? The valid certicicate vs. the deploma from a deploma factory?
If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
Something you said here is very key in medical treatment: "But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has."
That's where the professional has to be just that - PROFESSIONAL. They have to have compassion for the patient and care enough to respect the patient's wishes. They have to withdraw from making biased remarks or bringing their "self" in to the relationship (i.e. "I wouldn't let Dr. Smith treat me if I were you..." or "I had a lot of sideeffects when I took medicine XYZ") It's a fine line that can easily be crossed with the best, although dead wrong, intentions. Whether it's a reiki practitioner, American Indian medicine man, chiropractor, priest, etc., - they should let the patients think for themselves and form their own opinions of what their medical AND spiritual needs are.
All too often these lines of acknowledging the patient as a "thinking person" are crossed - and I know of some very well-meaning, intelligent doctors who have done it, and, without their intent, damaged the relationship they had with a patient who trusted them just a little too much. But when you think about it doesn't modern medicine also peddle a "sense of certainty to people who can't afford it"? If you want to see that first hand, sit down and have a conversation with an uninsured oncology patient who doesn't qualify for Medicaid. They're broke, hopeful as all-get-out that the chemo is going to work, but have no proof - just statistics (complied by me, no doubt) as hope. Now, that's scary!
They're broke, hopeful as all-get-out that the chemo is going to work, but have no proof - just statistics ... as hope. Now, that's scary!
ChasUFarley, if I'm misreading you, please forgive me, then explain what you mean. That said...
You should know as well as anyone that those statistics are the best surety that anyone can offer. If the best that chemo can offer is a 20% chance of living five more years, then that knowledge provides a person a basis for an informed decision. Claims of being able to channel a mystical life energy give no such basis.
As long as a person is fully informed, I don't care if he wants to eat donkey dung if it makes him happier. Let him. But I won't give much respect to the promotion of the practice, even if it's certified by the donkey dung guru of the world, unless there are some statistics to show that it benefits a significant number of people. I feel pretty much the same way about reiki.
Here is a link for a discussion of Reiki "controversies" in Wikipedia, the free web encyclopedia.
Like reiki, Wikipedia makes no claims of reliability, although it says that reiki does. Let common sense prevail.
I think reikilady is making every effort to practice this method with compassion and integrity, and that is to her credit. Aspects of reiki (massage, etc) have known therapeutic value. No harm there. People are helped.
However sincere, honest, well-intentioned, good-hearted, intelligent, honorable or noble a person is, they may still be taken in by the promise of the unattainable or non-existent ideal, envisioned, imagined or contrived by others. We can be made to see what others want us to see, and we'll pay no attention to the man (operating the levers) behind the curtain.
I think we've all learned, courtesy of Vic Wierwille, that we are quite capable of believing something because we want to believe it. Believing doesn't equal receiving, unfortunately. Often, it results in deceiving. Self-deceiving.
Oakspear points out that reiki does not attempt to prove anything. Does that mean there is no "come on," no sales pitch?
Some recent Reiki News Magazine articles (William Rand's site) are entitled, "Recovering from Aids," "Treating Stroke (and other neurological disorders) with Reiki," "Finding Your Soulmate with Reiki," "Everything you wanted to know about Reiki and Angels. How to attract spiritual beings into your Reiki practice," and so on.
Maybe reiki is real in every aspect. Maybe every above article, every implicit claim, is true. Where is the harm in just believing that it is? Where is the harm in saving ourselves the effort of "proving all things?" Shouldn't we just believe?
i think cold hard skeptical science's greater value can be found if it will bother to realize the obvious mountains of subtler and causal "realities" of human experience, and their great value
i mean...thousands and thousands of years of history and success from all over the world...
to deny or somehow strive to suppress the arts and sciences of these subtler and causal realities is to increase suffering, to some degree
yet, as a compartment of being, skepticism is vital. like a liver. or a samarai sword.
compare Reiki healers with Reiki healers, for example, and you will probably see the same kinds of varying quality as you would comparing dentists with dentists
some are hardliners (which makes them specialists extreme)
some have their minds on their upcoming vacation
some are a bit more integral, and have more facets and connections in their practice
also, there can be vast regional differences based on the ideals of the community, even in the US
in one region, the best shaman may be a con artist sideshow
in another, one of the wisest and kindest old ladies you ever met in your life, with decades of credible success
in one place, all the vets are high priced animal "hospitals," that can fix a break or treat a burn, but also make a lot of animals sick
in another, there are some real low-cost and effective alternatives, integral east/west/north/south whatever...
Guess I ought to check in more often - what a surprise to see my post from last December back on the front page again. Disappointing though that my question, "anyone into Reiki?", has brought out such sarcasm and contempt from those who have never experienced it, or perhaps never even heard of it until the question was posed...
Thanks to reikilady and the others who have shared THEIR EXPERIENCES with reiki, as that is what I was asking about in the first place. Yes, we did indeed buy into a lot of things in twi without any PROOF...and the major difference that I see, is that there were also NO RESULTS with twi, in my case anyhow. Energy healing, massage, chiropractic, and reiki, in conjuction with CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE, HAVE YIELDED RESULTS IN MY LIFE, as I shared a page or two ago.
We human beings are both matter and energy, and healing modalities which address BOTH of those states have been most effective FOR ME.
I was, and am, interested in the results experienced by those who actually had participated in reiki, not the sarcastic, skeptical cynicism of those who refuse to even consider it. A line from a song comes to mind..."don't try to describe the ocean if you've never seen it"...Especially when someone asks what it's like at the beach.
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Thanks for the post Chasufarley.
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Satty, hunnie...
Yes, medicine is imperfect.
No, you don't have to accept anything you don't want to. You made up your mind before you first posted and I don't have the time or energy to "convert" you to whatever.... I could really care less what your personal views are on healthcare - what is your background on the subject, anyhow? Do you work in healthcare? Are you a clinical professional?
I work in a hospital in healthcare quality management. I know how "human" physicians and other clinical staff can be - I work with the reports, attend the meetings, etc., everyday. I also hear the success stories. My hospital is a small, rural hospital with an aging but high poverty level population (retired blue collar workers) - there isn't much alternative medicinal practices going on here. Part of my job includes supporting the spiritual care coordinator and the care managers in their taking care of acute patients. At times this includes getting the patients hospice care. I have an insider's view as to what the current trends are in my area and there is little "alternative" medicine being practiced, but there is more pastoral care taking place than ever before. Again, it's treating the "whole" patient. The hospitals on the NH seacoast, just a little over an hour away, reiki, acupuncture, aromatherapies, etc., as being welcomed with open arms into the hospitals there. But it's coupled with traditional medicine - "best of both worlds", if you will.
In short, if it works for the patient, whether in truth or in part, isn't that what it's all about in the long run? It's their choice, their health, their body. Why are you getting your knickers in a knot about what others consider a *part* of their healthcare, anyhow?
(I say *part* because no one yet has said that reiki is all they pursue for healing...)
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Okay, so when it comes to all manner of new age voodoo, the burden of proof is upon the skeptic to show that it doesn't work.
Is that the new standard?
If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
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"As with most everything, it depends on the people involved... one of the local hospices took care of my dad his last few months... their sole focus was to make him comfortable and also give my mom a break... and they were wonderful at that and took care of everything when he did pass... my experience with them was nothing but positive...
it just depends on the "practitioners" I guess..."
Tom, that was part of my point, I'm glad someone saw it. Guess I wasn't too clear. My issues with hospice when my mom was dying weren't about hospice being bad, or even that the practitioner was bad. It was about ME not wanting to let go of my mom. Me being unable to accept that she was dying. What hospice did for her was probably to her benefit - she was in a lot of pain even with all the morphine she was getting. It probably was best for her to let go, but I didn't want to let go.
As someone who works in medical malpractice defense, I can guarantee you, you should not take a doctor's word at face value without putting your own time and research into it.
The same is true of any alternative medicines. However, I would likewise not dismiss alternative methods simply because they are alternative. I know next to nothing about the practice of reiki - but if it brings comfort to someone in need then more power to it. If it's not for someone else, they should have the right to refuse it. Not very complicated really.
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"Okay, so when it comes to all manner of new age voodoo, the burden of proof is upon the skeptic to show that it doesn't work.
Is that the new standard?"
Of course not. The burden of proof is on the one with the "new age voodoo" as you call it...if...they were trying to prove anything.
"If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has."
Agreed, but personally, I haven't seen it. I don't know of any reiki folks who encourage people to stay away from doctors. Or even to substitute reiki any mainstream medical treatment.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
Maybe, I haven't seen them personally, but I'm sure that it happens somewhere. Certainty? I've not seen a reiki practicioner guarantee anything.
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second to last paragraph is Satori - I forgot to put quotes around it and I can't edit.
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There have been articles in the mainstream media about the effectiveness of prayer. Modern medicine is even startting to accept and, yes, even encourage some forms of alternative therapies in conjunction with sound medical advice and treatment.
The problem with spiritual and ethereal realms is that they can't be measured in double blind studies and sterile clinics. These kinds of things are very personal and they depend on intangible variables, so it really boils down to whether you believe it or not.
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Satori brings up a valid point concerning certification.
There is a huge difference between certificates and certifications...
For example, in my career field....
After someone has taken various classes and passed and received a certicicate for these classes. At this point, the person studies for 3 tests (about 4 hours long each). After these 3 tests are passed within a certain time frame (1 year), you are then certified.
Another example is:
I have taken a few spreadsheet courses in my career (starting with LOTUS 1-2-3 and most recently a course on the latest version of Excel). I have received certificates for these courses. I feel conifident that I can build a good spreadsheet, however I am no expert in Excel (I have seen experts).
Most certification tests are very difficult (by design) and few pass on the first time of testing.
There is a reasonable expectation of measurable expertise with various types certifications and degrees.
In the medical profession, you would expect a MD to know more than a PA and a RN to know more than a PN.
As Chase pointed out the medical profession is far from perfect. And, sometimes it night come down to the best educated guess.
The medical profession has a "standards of practice" and review boards.
Please don't get me wrong. I am sure that a loving touch does tremoundous good in the recovery process. It's been documented that even the petting of a cat or dog helps with calming of stress thereby helping to lower blood pressure (but, does not eliminate the need for taking medication if perscribed by a DR.).
The touch of a professional massage therapyst has done wonders for my back, neck, shoulders and arms.
In Reiki how do you seperate the real from the fake? The valid certicicate vs. the deploma from a deploma factory?
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its sad, how there healing traditions in this world that have histories dating back 1000s and 1000s of years
and many are alive and well and bringing wellness to those who bother
right here, right now, as we speak
just as they always have
and a gdfing smorgasboard, too, if you ask me
precious stuff that could be forgotten
like recipes or art forms
but they often deal with subtler and finer things than the eye of flesh can see, let alone prove
thus, alone, the eye of flesh is doomed to ever be haunted by the ghost in the machine
nonetheless, the modern machinations of conventional medicine are downright amazing in their own domain...holy cow...evolving very rapidly right now
plastic, lasers, waves, RX, DNA, biology, all those electric eyes...
many many miracles going on here. i couldn't name them all.
ive got a friend who, a few years ago, was spared a shunt because of a thing called a gamma knife
in and out in a month or so
but as always, it seems, medicine is at war with itself
old evolutionary strains versus new
racial lineages and language sets
methodology and "reality" and worldviews/god-views
etc...
even more distinctly, perhaps,
interior versus exterior
collective versus individual
gross versus subtle
also, religion, money, politics, ideologies...
these are always strong influential elements to any field
any field
any field
any field
on a positive note....psychology, wisdom traditions, neurosciences, etc...
are integrating rapidly right now
yes, degrees in "real" universities, institutes
clinics on the street
yada yada
but why bother post links to this stuff?
who has the energy to defend things all day?
the "prove it" skeptics are hypocritical,
because they can't prove a thing they say
they will almost never perform any of the injunctions
and seem to use the same one or two broken examples
kinda funny too, how they oft claim to reveal the "wicked" intentions of so many others
all the while denying the reality of things like "mind-reading"
lol
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If something like "reiki" adds a nice diversion and provides a good massage, fine. But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has.
You think I've made up my mind? Exactly the opposite. On the other hand, a lot of reiki practitioners (and every other "alternative healing" shell game) are out there peddling a sense of certainty to people who can't afford it.
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Something you said here is very key in medical treatment: "But if the practitioners bring in their bias against modern medicine, it can interfere with the best chance the patient has."
That's where the professional has to be just that - PROFESSIONAL. They have to have compassion for the patient and care enough to respect the patient's wishes. They have to withdraw from making biased remarks or bringing their "self" in to the relationship (i.e. "I wouldn't let Dr. Smith treat me if I were you..." or "I had a lot of sideeffects when I took medicine XYZ") It's a fine line that can easily be crossed with the best, although dead wrong, intentions. Whether it's a reiki practitioner, American Indian medicine man, chiropractor, priest, etc., - they should let the patients think for themselves and form their own opinions of what their medical AND spiritual needs are.
All too often these lines of acknowledging the patient as a "thinking person" are crossed - and I know of some very well-meaning, intelligent doctors who have done it, and, without their intent, damaged the relationship they had with a patient who trusted them just a little too much. But when you think about it doesn't modern medicine also peddle a "sense of certainty to people who can't afford it"? If you want to see that first hand, sit down and have a conversation with an uninsured oncology patient who doesn't qualify for Medicaid. They're broke, hopeful as all-get-out that the chemo is going to work, but have no proof - just statistics (complied by me, no doubt) as hope. Now, that's scary!
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Z-shot I answered your question about what I know about certification on page 3.
Buried in their website is an explaination of their CENTER CERTIFIED TEACHERS.
Google William Rand...He is the head cheese of that non-profit organization that has the program.
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Diploma factory versus the real diploma...Hmmm!
You got to go by your instincts and you can ask questions of the person. You can also ask for references.
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You should know as well as anyone that those statistics are the best surety that anyone can offer. If the best that chemo can offer is a 20% chance of living five more years, then that knowledge provides a person a basis for an informed decision. Claims of being able to channel a mystical life energy give no such basis.
As long as a person is fully informed, I don't care if he wants to eat donkey dung if it makes him happier. Let him. But I won't give much respect to the promotion of the practice, even if it's certified by the donkey dung guru of the world, unless there are some statistics to show that it benefits a significant number of people. I feel pretty much the same way about reiki.
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Here is a link for a discussion of Reiki "controversies" in Wikipedia, the free web encyclopedia.
Like reiki, Wikipedia makes no claims of reliability, although it says that reiki does. Let common sense prevail.
I think reikilady is making every effort to practice this method with compassion and integrity, and that is to her credit. Aspects of reiki (massage, etc) have known therapeutic value. No harm there. People are helped.
However sincere, honest, well-intentioned, good-hearted, intelligent, honorable or noble a person is, they may still be taken in by the promise of the unattainable or non-existent ideal, envisioned, imagined or contrived by others. We can be made to see what others want us to see, and we'll pay no attention to the man (operating the levers) behind the curtain.
I think we've all learned, courtesy of Vic Wierwille, that we are quite capable of believing something because we want to believe it. Believing doesn't equal receiving, unfortunately. Often, it results in deceiving. Self-deceiving.
Oakspear points out that reiki does not attempt to prove anything. Does that mean there is no "come on," no sales pitch?
Some recent Reiki News Magazine articles (William Rand's site) are entitled, "Recovering from Aids," "Treating Stroke (and other neurological disorders) with Reiki," "Finding Your Soulmate with Reiki," "Everything you wanted to know about Reiki and Angels. How to attract spiritual beings into your Reiki practice," and so on.
Maybe reiki is real in every aspect. Maybe every above article, every implicit claim, is true. Where is the harm in just believing that it is? Where is the harm in saving ourselves the effort of "proving all things?" Shouldn't we just believe?
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and what of the cult of cynicism?
doesn't the "cult of skepticism" have its own "sales pitch?"
does it claim a special unique sense of reliability that no other can offer?
are there skeptics who make money off their school of thought? give lectures? sell books?
and so, where are the statistics that prove skepticism brings more wellness and healing than reiki?
is the burden on others to prove the flood of skeptical warnings wrong?
however sincere a cynic may be, like anyone else, they may still be taken in by the promise of an non-existent ideal, right?
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i think cold hard skeptical science's greater value can be found if it will bother to realize the obvious mountains of subtler and causal "realities" of human experience, and their great value
i mean...thousands and thousands of years of history and success from all over the world...
to deny or somehow strive to suppress the arts and sciences of these subtler and causal realities is to increase suffering, to some degree
yet, as a compartment of being, skepticism is vital. like a liver. or a samarai sword.
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reminds me of how Australia's weather service now makes use of aboriginal methods because of its accuracy
one is evolving and developing recently
the other has been in use for thousands of years
sounds like a marriage made in heaven to me
if the enmity can be removed
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or how western psychologies work so well with eastern contemplative traditions or tribal storytelling techniques
especially as it pertains to birth and dying
western medicine can save your foot in a pinch better than anything on the planet...or keep you pumping after years of self-abuse
but it often lacks the grace to deal with birth and dying, both of which are very turbulent in gross and subtle realms
and often lacks when it comes to tribal/family and cultural "realities" of healing
and the old old, old, new, and new new arts associated with these domains
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as far as "laying on hands" healing type stuff...
a generic reality throughout human history
in all bloods, to varying degrees
there are these things inside of us called electricity, gas, water, salt, breath, DNA, atomic energy, space
also: thoughts, dreams, passion, sorrow, rage, joy, voices, images
intentionality is closer to causal than food
intentionality is closer to causal than thought
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as far as arguing corporate and political corruption influencing healing modalities....
where there is smoke, there is fire
simply weigh the Gehenna of a thing, if you will
poverty and illness often go hand in hand
strict western medicine has done a lot of damage in this area, worldwide
more than any alternative medicine, imo
the healthy wealthy are often genuinely ignorant of their invisible neighbors
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in my experience with "alternative" medicines...
compare Reiki healers with Reiki healers, for example, and you will probably see the same kinds of varying quality as you would comparing dentists with dentists
some are hardliners (which makes them specialists extreme)
some have their minds on their upcoming vacation
some are a bit more integral, and have more facets and connections in their practice
also, there can be vast regional differences based on the ideals of the community, even in the US
in one region, the best shaman may be a con artist sideshow
in another, one of the wisest and kindest old ladies you ever met in your life, with decades of credible success
in one place, all the vets are high priced animal "hospitals," that can fix a break or treat a burn, but also make a lot of animals sick
in another, there are some real low-cost and effective alternatives, integral east/west/north/south whatever...
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it has been said
that if western medicine is one branch,
specialist in seeing the partial end results
and holistic medicine is another branch,
specialist in seeing the relationships of whole systems
the third branch would be the treatment of the practioners of both branches, by both branches
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2fortheroad
Guess I ought to check in more often - what a surprise to see my post from last December back on the front page again. Disappointing though that my question, "anyone into Reiki?", has brought out such sarcasm and contempt from those who have never experienced it, or perhaps never even heard of it until the question was posed...
Thanks to reikilady and the others who have shared THEIR EXPERIENCES with reiki, as that is what I was asking about in the first place. Yes, we did indeed buy into a lot of things in twi without any PROOF...and the major difference that I see, is that there were also NO RESULTS with twi, in my case anyhow. Energy healing, massage, chiropractic, and reiki, in conjuction with CONVENTIONAL MEDICINE, HAVE YIELDED RESULTS IN MY LIFE, as I shared a page or two ago.
We human beings are both matter and energy, and healing modalities which address BOTH of those states have been most effective FOR ME.
I was, and am, interested in the results experienced by those who actually had participated in reiki, not the sarcastic, skeptical cynicism of those who refuse to even consider it. A line from a song comes to mind..."don't try to describe the ocean if you've never seen it"...Especially when someone asks what it's like at the beach.
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sirguessalot
well, thanks a mil for starting the thread
it sure has raised some things
amen
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