Did VPW Teach LCM on Legalism and Sexual Abuse?

[skyrider]

VPW often said that despite the "problems" that licentious behavior presented, it would not be license that would bring the ministry down. He several times emphatically stated that it would be legalism that would bring it down. I'm sure there are many Corps here, especially you old-timers, who can verify that statement.

catcup.....yes, vpw said that several times.

In public view.....open teachings, roa, sts, etc.....vpw taught broad strokes of abundant living, healing, love, joy, peace, etc.

But, in closed-meetings.....i.e. corps, staff meetings.....vpw ran a tight LEGALISTIC ship. He scoffed at opinions that differed from his own, every meeting set-up had to be done HIS way, etc. etc. On three occassions, I personally witnessed vpw's lashing, foaming, confrontation on individuals that were over-the-top character assassinations.

Vpw had a deep, subtle legalistic streak in him..........hidden from public view, for sure. Martindale never learned such subtleties.

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Edited August 1, 2006 by skyrider

[Lifted Up]

Clicking this to the top again...

WW, I hadnt noticed this thread you brought back until after I made that query on the other thread and my resultant PM to you. So, I may as well repeat it here. Did anyone notice the idea of having to be loosened up sexually ever mentioned, discussed, applied to anyone (LCM or whomever) in the corps or elsewhere?

[WordWolf]

Some people here MAY have heard him say that aloud.

However,

a number of people heard him say that and leave the specifics VAGUE.

vpw was an expert at covering his tracks, and having a message that

was heard ONE way from most people,

and ANOTHER way from the minority.

vpw DID set up a sort of "inner circle" of people who were complicit in his

rapes and molestations-

from singling out women and sending them to him,

to watching and "counseling" them so they didn't tell the cops or anyone else.

Some of those people have come forth.

(Check the archives.)

Some of his victims-and INTENDED victims-have come forth and spoken of

the "inner circle" doctrine of "the lockbox".

Never heard of that? Neither did I.

It was never in an official teaching at an SNS, nor in a book nor class

nor wayrag article. It WAS, however, taught word-of-mouth by vpw and

selected people in his circle.

First rule of vpw's sex club was 'do not talk about vpw's sex club.'

vpw made it sound like knowing all this was a special privilege-

like you were a mature, special Christian who "could handle it" if you

were ever told of it.

Feel free to look up "lockbox" for all sorts of discussions on the same.

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If you go over the oldest of the old SNT tapes, you may find some strange

things here and there. I was reviewing someone else's old vpw tapes once,

and found a peculiar sentence from vpw. He was reviewing the account

of Joseph refusing to have sex with Potiphar's wife when she threw herself at him.

I've heard a number of people talk about what Joseph was thinking and feeling,

over the years, on the subject, whether twi, ex-twi, never-been-twi,

who-is-twi.

Out of all of them, vpw was the only one who used the word "erection" when

speaking of it. ("It doesn't say that Joseph didn't have an E-rection when he

left.") Everyone else seemed to think that the subject should be approached

at least a little more tactfully or reluctantly.

One of the few people living who seem to completely WORSHIP vpw looked

into his personal history, and HIMSELF said of his IDOL that he had a habit

of introducing inappropriate things into his sermons, which embarassed the

person whom he was interviewing ABOUT vpw-who at the time was a fan

of vpw. So, his FANS admit that he kept bringing up sex in the pulpit.

After reviewing the "lockbox" and how there was an inner circle of people

who were privy to the secret sex doctrines,

if you still want to believe there is a "reasonable doubt" that vpw did NOT mean

lcm needed to "loosen up sexually" when he said he needed to "loosen up",

that's your business. vpw seemed obsessed by it at times.

Another example: before lcm ever married or courted dlm, care to guess

who'd slept with her? The answer is not lcm...

That was reported by posters here who knew all the participants....