In reference to my post above, William Brooks (aka OldSkool) has recently downloaded a new prophecy called A Segue for The Faithful in Christ, Then Sudden Destruction on Earth.. IOW, it's again about the rapture and the following tribulation that will soon happen. This time though, the article is to give comfort to those who are having doubts such as these two quotes show:
"Why are you downcast, my loves? Why does your enthusiasm wane?"
"Why is my bride long of face in sadness and disappointment, as if they have been jilted by an unfaithful bridegroom?"
It also seems to be for those who are struggling with sin and therefore, I assume, are afraid of not being faithful enough to be included in the rapture.
I checked your church's website and the last belief listed is "The personal and visible return of Jesus Christ to fulfil the purposes of God, who will raise all people to judgement, bring eternal life to the redeemed and eternal condemnation to the lost, and establish a new heaven on earth." No mention of the rapture, tribulation or the millennium.
Are you on the right church's website, Charity?
This is StACC/Holy Trinity Combe Down (HTCD) (two of the four churches in the benefice). St Andrew's Community Church, Foxhill | HTCD
Are you on the right church's website, Charity?
This is StACC/Holy Trinity Combe Down (HTCD) (two of the four churches in the benefice). St Andrew's Community Church, Foxhill | HTCD
I googled the St Andrews Community Church in UK and went with this website ST. ANDREWS COMMUNITY CHURCH. Thank you for correcting me and I apologize for misrepresenting you.
I should have asked you directly after your previous post whether you believed in the rapture doctrine or not. I assumed you did not.
That's cool, Charity. There's a fair few St Andrews churches around. That's about 100 miles away.
The rapture? I dunno. I have known people who are really rapturous about it. Thesssalonians talks about a gathering together in the sky (I think that's "the rapture"). I think some of that could be figurative language.
I live in hope and expectation of the return of Jesus, which could be in my lifetime or some time after that. As a new young (adult) Christian, I was so excited and hoped that every day would be The Day. It's a bit more of a deep, slower burn now.
But as it is beyond me to affect when any "gathering together" may (or may not) occur, in the meantime, I'm getting on with loving God and loving my fellow humans as best I can. Some days I'm better at that than others.
Theologian-types can get really hung up on minutiae. And there are all sorts of fancy names for religious theories, rituals, bells, smells, garments, items used in church services. I care for absolutely none of that. I keep things as simple as I can. Live decently.
Now I'm always looking for preterist commentaries. Here is another one, from purportedly a non-preterist who actually refers to preterism as "nutty". But his writing is well taken and I think he does an excellent job of explaining "partial preterism" and "full preterism".
I can't speak authoritatively about preterism because I'm still trying to absorb it all. It takes some "visioning". All I know is, it's refreshing to learn about new things like this.
Now I'm always looking for preterist commentaries. Here is another one, from purportedly a non-preterist who actually refers to preterism as "nutty". But his writing is well taken and I think he does an excellent job of explaining "partial preterism" and "full preterism".
I can't speak authoritatively about preterism because I'm still trying to absorb it all. It takes some "visioning". All I know is, it's refreshing to learn about new things like this.
Hi oldiesman! I've been a partial preterist for quite some time. Since converting to preterism, I've been all over the place regarding the gathering together mentioned in 2 Thess. 2. For years I have viewed the "rapture" or gathering together as the last event of human history occurring before the final judgment(Rev. 20:11).
For those unfamiliar with preterism, preterists view the tribulation as the 3.5 year Roman campaign against the Zealot rebellion that began in 66AD and resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple at 70AD. The "earth" in most of the new testament was translated from the Greek "ge" which can also be translated as "land". In other words, preterists interpret the tribulation as a regional destruction instead of global. The total length of the campaign was approx. 7 years and ended with the fall of Masada in 73AD.
There are different preterist viewpoints related to 1 Thess. 4, 2nd Thess. 2, and 1st Corinthians 15. I'm no longer commited to one viewpoint. 2 Thess. 1 indicates a sense of urgency to the audience receiving the message at the time it was given to them. Also the man of lawlessness seems to parallel the Sicarri, a subgroup of the Zealots. They were willing to kill any Roman or any Jew who collaborated with Rome. Josephus even called the Sicarri wicked and lawless. In 57AD they murdered a high priest named Jonathan. Looking at recorded history, a good candidate for the man of lawlessness would be Menahem Ben Judah. He was the first leader of the revolt shortly after the war with Rome began. He and his followers attacked Masada and took the weapons stored there and also took Herod's royal garments. From there the group proceeded to Jerusalem and attacked the Antonia fortress overpowering the troops of Agrippa II. Emboldened by his success Menahem presented himself in the temple as a king of the Jews wearing Herods royal regalia. He and his followers were killed in turn almost immediately by his rival, Eleazer, another pseudo messiah:
Read Matthew 24:24 and then read the section about pseudo messiahs during the first century from the Jewish Encyclopedia.
Looking at Daniel 12, we see the resurrection of the just and unjust of Israel. Daniel was told to roll up and seal the prophecy until the time of the end. Daniel asked the angel how long would it be before the astonishing things he was told would be fulfilled. The angel gave Daniel an amazing clue at the end of verse 7 no doubt linking the prophecy to 70AD. "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
Another clue linking the resurrection of the JAUJ to 70AD is the countdown of days between the abolition of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination of desolation. The cessation of the daily sacrifice on behalf of Rome occurred in 66 AD.
That brings the ressurection of JAUJ to a day in 70AD. Daniel was told to roll up and seal the words because the fulfillment of the prophecy was hundreds of years into his future. However, in Rev. 22:10 John was told to not seal the words because the "time is near."
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In reference to my post above, William Brooks (aka OldSkool) has recently downloaded a new prophecy called A Segue for The Faithful in Christ, Then Sudden Destruction on Earth.. IOW, it's again about the rapture and the following tribulation that will soon happen. This time though, the article is to give comfort to those who are having doubts such as these two quotes show:
"Why are you downcast, my loves? Why does your enthusiasm wane?"
"Why is my bride long of face in sadness and disappointment, as if they have been jilted by an unfaithful bridegroom?"
It also seems to be for those who are struggling with sin and therefore, I assume, are afraid of not being faithful enough to be included in the rapture.
For anyone interested, I will share more later in the thread Spirit of Prophesy by William Brooks a.k.a. OldSkool.
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Are you on the right church's website, Charity?
This is StACC/Holy Trinity Combe Down (HTCD) (two of the four churches in the benefice). St Andrew's Community Church, Foxhill | HTCD
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I googled the St Andrews Community Church in UK and went with this website ST. ANDREWS COMMUNITY CHURCH. Thank you for correcting me and I apologize for misrepresenting you.
I should have asked you directly after your previous post whether you believed in the rapture doctrine or not. I assumed you did not.
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That's cool, Charity. There's a fair few St Andrews churches around. That's about 100 miles away.
The rapture? I dunno. I have known people who are really rapturous about it. Thesssalonians talks about a gathering together in the sky (I think that's "the rapture"). I think some of that could be figurative language.
I live in hope and expectation of the return of Jesus, which could be in my lifetime or some time after that. As a new young (adult) Christian, I was so excited and hoped that every day would be The Day. It's a bit more of a deep, slower burn now.
But as it is beyond me to affect when any "gathering together" may (or may not) occur, in the meantime, I'm getting on with loving God and loving my fellow humans as best I can. Some days I'm better at that than others.
Theologian-types can get really hung up on minutiae. And there are all sorts of fancy names for religious theories, rituals, bells, smells, garments, items used in church services. I care for absolutely none of that. I keep things as simple as I can. Live decently.
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Now I'm always looking for preterist commentaries. Here is another one, from purportedly a non-preterist who actually refers to preterism as "nutty". But his writing is well taken and I think he does an excellent job of explaining "partial preterism" and "full preterism".
I can't speak authoritatively about preterism because I'm still trying to absorb it all. It takes some "visioning". All I know is, it's refreshing to learn about new things like this.
https://experimentaltheology.blogspot.com/2014/06/on-preterism-second-coming-and-hell.html
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Hi oldiesman! I've been a partial preterist for quite some time. Since converting to preterism, I've been all over the place regarding the gathering together mentioned in 2 Thess. 2. For years I have viewed the "rapture" or gathering together as the last event of human history occurring before the final judgment(Rev. 20:11).
For those unfamiliar with preterism, preterists view the tribulation as the 3.5 year Roman campaign against the Zealot rebellion that began in 66AD and resulted in the destruction of Jerusalem and the temple at 70AD. The "earth" in most of the new testament was translated from the Greek "ge" which can also be translated as "land". In other words, preterists interpret the tribulation as a regional destruction instead of global. The total length of the campaign was approx. 7 years and ended with the fall of Masada in 73AD.
There are different preterist viewpoints related to 1 Thess. 4, 2nd Thess. 2, and 1st Corinthians 15. I'm no longer commited to one viewpoint. 2 Thess. 1 indicates a sense of urgency to the audience receiving the message at the time it was given to them. Also the man of lawlessness seems to parallel the Sicarri, a subgroup of the Zealots. They were willing to kill any Roman or any Jew who collaborated with Rome. Josephus even called the Sicarri wicked and lawless. In 57AD they murdered a high priest named Jonathan. Looking at recorded history, a good candidate for the man of lawlessness would be Menahem Ben Judah. He was the first leader of the revolt shortly after the war with Rome began. He and his followers attacked Masada and took the weapons stored there and also took Herod's royal garments. From there the group proceeded to Jerusalem and attacked the Antonia fortress overpowering the troops of Agrippa II. Emboldened by his success Menahem presented himself in the temple as a king of the Jews wearing Herods royal regalia. He and his followers were killed in turn almost immediately by his rival, Eleazer, another pseudo messiah:
https://www.jewishencyclopedia.com/articles/12416-pseudo-messiahs
Read Matthew 24:24 and then read the section about pseudo messiahs during the first century from the Jewish Encyclopedia.
Looking at Daniel 12, we see the resurrection of the just and unjust of Israel. Daniel was told to roll up and seal the prophecy until the time of the end. Daniel asked the angel how long would it be before the astonishing things he was told would be fulfilled. The angel gave Daniel an amazing clue at the end of verse 7 no doubt linking the prophecy to 70AD. "When the power of the holy people has been finally broken, all these things will be completed.”
Another clue linking the resurrection of the JAUJ to 70AD is the countdown of days between the abolition of the daily sacrifice and the setting up of the abomination of desolation. The cessation of the daily sacrifice on behalf of Rome occurred in 66 AD.
https://cojs.org/cessation_of_sacrifice-_66_ce/
That brings the ressurection of JAUJ to a day in 70AD. Daniel was told to roll up and seal the words because the fulfillment of the prophecy was hundreds of years into his future. However, in Rev. 22:10 John was told to not seal the words because the "time is near."
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