It seems to follow in scripture that false accusation against the Holy Ghost (blasphemy) is worse than false accusation against Jesus. AI explains why:
What was victor wierwille's private interpretation of The Unforgivable Sin/Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirt?
I've read that he "taught" something on it in the original PFAL or Advanced Class, but the segment was deleted because it caused so much anxiety among the dupes. Though this deletion has been mentioned many times here, I could never find what the actual issue was.
Were you around at that time, Oldies? Do you know?
What was victor wierwille's private interpretation of The Unforgivable Sin/Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirt?
I've read that he "taught" something on it in the original PFAL or Advanced Class, but the segment was deleted because it caused so much anxiety among the dupes. Though this deletion has been mentioned many times here, I could never find what the actual issue was.
Were you around at that time, Oldies? Do you know?
Well, it's been over 50 years since I first heard these things, but as I recall, it was covered in what we used to call the "13th" session of PFAL.
After the 12th session, in which students *manifested*, there was a separate session on the unforgivable sin. Supposedly, this involved the seed of Satan being irreversibly instilled into people. Born again of the wrong seed, as it were. It was supposed to be the polar opposite of the new birth, and quite different from possession, which could be exorcised. There was lots of talk about many of the people of great influence being "seed boys", and, therefore, irredeemable.(prominent scientists, actors, musicians, world leaders and so forth) Of course, it freaked out lots of people and negated the euphoria of session 12. That's probably why it was eliminated and not revisited until it resurfaced in the Advanced Class teachings. I think it might be included somewhere in the original PFAL collaterals.
edit: You can't really accept it as being possible without first believing in "once saved, always saved" because of the element of permanence.
It's hard to look back at some of this stuff and not laugh at what a chump I must have been.
Well, it's been over 50 years since I first heard these things, but as I recall, it was covered in what we used to call the "13th" session of PFAL.
After the 12th session, in which students *manifested*, there was a separate session on the unforgivable sin. Supposedly, this involved the seed of Satan being irreversibly instilled into people. Born again of the wrong seed, as it were. It was supposed to be the polar opposite of the new birth, and quite different from possession, which could be exorcised. There was lots of talk about many of the people of great influence being "seed boys", and, therefore, irredeemable.(prominent scientists, actors, musicians, world leaders and so forth) Of course, it freaked out lots of people and negated the euphoria of session 12. That's probably why it was eliminated and not revisited until it resurfaced in the Advanced Class teachings. I think it might be included somewhere in the original PFAL collaterals.
edit: You can't really accept it as being possible without first believing in "once saved, always saved" because of the element of permanence.
It's hard to look back at some of this stuff and not laugh at what a chump I must have been.
Thank you.
Yeah, rebirth by serpent seed is a mathematical impossibility if OSAS. It’s also scientifically imprecise. It’s a gloveless hand.
And it doesn’t seem to be connected to those verses about blaspheming the Holy Sprit in Mark 3, Matt 12 and Luke 12.
Yeah, the list of seed boys is quite entertaining to look back on. Name someone who's successful. Bam! They're on the seed boy list. Heh. And you could easily spot them, too, because they wore a black heart on their sleeve...er somethin'.
Yeah, the list of seed boys is quite entertaining to look back on. Name someone who's successful. Bam! They're on the seed boy list. Heh. And you could easily spot them, too, because they wore a black heart on their sleeve...er somethin'.
I wish I hadn't seen it in the original.
Yes! I’ve been thinking about this. The dots are connecting. I’m retembering it all now.
Anyone successful was seeded. Friends, neighbors, musicians, actors…
My FC and my ex wife’s family were especially suspicious of politicians being full of devil seed. Except one - he was sent. They also had the in depth spiritual awareness and perception to detect all billionaire tech bros as seeded. Except one - he was either sent or called
HUSBAND: "I'm so despondent. Were totally broke because of Abundant Sharing. We'll probably lose the house and car. Children's Services might take away our kids. They might even kick your mother out of the nursing home."
WIFE: "Yes, dear, but at least you're not a seed boy."
"The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, specific as it was to the Pharisees’ situation, cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth, and no one can personally see Jesus perform a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Christ."
If one accepts this answer, it puts an end to all the guessing and doctrinal teachings which are out there. OTOH, promoting that there's an actual possibility of committing an ill-defined unforgivable sin (perhaps even unknowingly) is definitely an effective fear tactic imo.
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I like 1, pretty nifty, but 2 seems a bit off.
I think everyone will eventually surrender to forgiveness.
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OK just heard another one:
(3) "The Sin of Presumption"
Here's what it says from AI
https://www.google.com/search?q=what+is+the+sin+of+presumption%3F&sca_esv=bcbd4b002db38cd9&sxsrf=ADLYWIJGmgKn_8hy2MdSa-TDbY3bFSkZWw%3A1736987199071&source=hp&ei=P1KIZ_aMAp-lptQP8tnmuAY&iflsig=AL9hbdgAAAAAZ4hgT7zxI8NJsRdRG3CBj1NBpvWXgQcq&ved=0ahUKEwi2qOnH_fiKAxWfkokEHfKsGWcQ4dUDCBk&uact=5&oq=what+is+the+sin+of+presumption%3F&gs_lp=Egdnd3Mtd2l6Ih93aGF0IGlzIHRoZSBzaW4gb2YgcHJlc3VtcHRpb24_MgUQABiABDIGEAAYFhgeMgYQABgWGB4yBhAAGBYYHjILEAAYgAQYhgMYigUyCBAAGKIEGIkFMggQABiABBiiBEifP1DrC1joPHACeACQAQCYAZUBoAHhFKoBBDI4LjS4AQPIAQD4AQGYAiKgAsAVqAIKwgIHECMYJxjqAsICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBixAxiDAcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGMcBwgILEC4YgAQYsQMY1ALCAggQABiABBixA8ICCxAuGIAEGLEDGIMBwgIOEAAYgAQYsQMYgwEYigXCAgoQABiABBixAxgKwgIHEAAYgAQYCsICCxAAGIAEGLEDGMkDwgILEAAYgAQYkgMYigXCAgUQLhiABJgDB_EFKZkGgSD0TYSSBwQyNy43oAeU-AE&sclient=gws-wiz
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Sounds like someone i know who once “taught” a class.
mmmph
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waysider
"I didn't say it, you did."
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I've heard it said it's doing evil in God's name.
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It seems to follow in scripture that false accusation against the Holy Ghost (blasphemy) is worse than false accusation against Jesus. AI explains why:
https://www.google.com/search?q=why+is+false+accusation+against+the+holy+spirit+worse+than+false+accusation+against+Jesus%3F&sca_esv=0ef047277951ba30&sxsrf=AHTn8zoI7xEeGORh5oDrf_aZHICmYQsqQQ%3A1738506962262&ei=0oKfZ7vZD-PFp84P9OHP-Qo&ved=0ahUKEwi7irOPm6WLAxXj4skDHfTwM68Q4dUDCBA&uact=5&oq=why+is+false+accusation+against+the+holy+spirit+worse+than+false+accusation+against+Jesus%3F&gs_lp=Egxnd3Mtd2l6LXNlcnAiWndoeSBpcyBmYWxzZSBhY2N1c2F0aW9uIGFnYWluc3QgdGhlIGhvbHkgc3Bpcml0IHdvcnNlIHRoYW4gZmFsc2UgYWNjdXNhdGlvbiBhZ2FpbnN0IEplc3VzP0jagQFQAFj8fnAGeAGQAQCYAZIBoAHTTaoBBTQzLjUzuAEDyAEA-AEBmAI9oAL9NcICBBAjGCfCAgsQABiABBiRAhiKBcICEBAAGIAEGLEDGEMYgwEYigXCAgoQABiABBhDGIoFwgIKEC4YgAQYQxiKBcICDhAuGIAEGLEDGNEDGMcBwgILEAAYgAQYsQMYgwHCAgoQABiABBgUGIcCwgIFEC4YgATCAggQLhiABBixA8ICDhAAGIAEGLEDGIMBGIoFwgIFEAAYgATCAggQABiABBixA8ICBBAAGAPCAgYQABgWGB7CAgsQABiABBiGAxiKBcICBRAAGO8FwgIIEAAYgAQYogTCAgUQIRigAcICBRAhGKsCwgIFECEYnwWYAwCSBwQ3LjU0oAf9iwQ&sclient=gws-wiz-serp
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What was victor wierwille's private interpretation of The Unforgivable Sin/Blasphemy Against The Holy Spirt?
I've read that he "taught" something on it in the original PFAL or Advanced Class, but the segment was deleted because it caused so much anxiety among the dupes. Though this deletion has been mentioned many times here, I could never find what the actual issue was.
Were you around at that time, Oldies? Do you know?
Or maybe @waysiderknows?
Or someone else might remember.
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Well, it's been over 50 years since I first heard these things, but as I recall, it was covered in what we used to call the "13th" session of PFAL.
After the 12th session, in which students *manifested*, there was a separate session on the unforgivable sin. Supposedly, this involved the seed of Satan being irreversibly instilled into people. Born again of the wrong seed, as it were. It was supposed to be the polar opposite of the new birth, and quite different from possession, which could be exorcised. There was lots of talk about many of the people of great influence being "seed boys", and, therefore, irredeemable.(prominent scientists, actors, musicians, world leaders and so forth) Of course, it freaked out lots of people and negated the euphoria of session 12. That's probably why it was eliminated and not revisited until it resurfaced in the Advanced Class teachings. I think it might be included somewhere in the original PFAL collaterals.
edit: You can't really accept it as being possible without first believing in "once saved, always saved" because of the element of permanence.
It's hard to look back at some of this stuff and not laugh at what a chump I must have been.
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Thank you.
Yeah, rebirth by serpent seed is a mathematical impossibility if OSAS. It’s also scientifically imprecise. It’s a gloveless hand.
And it doesn’t seem to be connected to those verses about blaspheming the Holy Sprit in Mark 3, Matt 12 and Luke 12.
Hey! I didn’t rewrite the book. Victor did.
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Yeah, the list of seed boys is quite entertaining to look back on. Name someone who's successful. Bam! They're on the seed boy list. Heh. And you could easily spot them, too, because they wore a black heart on their sleeve...er somethin'.
I wish I hadn't seen it in the original.
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Yes! I’ve been thinking about this. The dots are connecting. I’m retembering it all now.
Anyone successful was seeded. Friends, neighbors, musicians, actors…
My FC and my ex wife’s family were especially suspicious of politicians being full of devil seed. Except one - he was sent. They also had the in depth spiritual awareness and perception to detect all billionaire tech bros as seeded. Except one - he was either sent or called
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HUSBAND: "I'm so despondent. Were totally broke because of Abundant Sharing. We'll probably lose the house and car. Children's Services might take away our kids. They might even kick your mother out of the nursing home."
WIFE: "Yes, dear, but at least you're not a seed boy."
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Mmmph
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Here's an explanation from "Got Questions" that I have not heard before - What is the unpardonable sin / unforgivable sin?
"The blasphemy against the Holy Spirit, specific as it was to the Pharisees’ situation, cannot be duplicated today. Jesus Christ is not on earth, and no one can personally see Jesus perform a miracle and then attribute that power to Satan instead of the Spirit. The only unpardonable sin today is that of continued unbelief. There is no pardon for a person who dies in his rejection of Christ."
If one accepts this answer, it puts an end to all the guessing and doctrinal teachings which are out there. OTOH, promoting that there's an actual possibility of committing an ill-defined unforgivable sin (perhaps even unknowingly) is definitely an effective fear tactic imo.
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