Science of Shared Consciousness

[Rocky]

IF this is true (and it's entirely plausible), what does it mean for The Church (as defined in the NT), and gifts or manifestations of the spirit?

 

[cman]

If spiritual things can be explained, that was pretty good. 

[Rocky]

1 hour ago, cman said:

If spiritual things can be explained, that was pretty good. 

Glad you liked it. My thought is the "word of knowledge" isn't necessarily limited to believers.

[Nathan_Jr]

Good one. I wish it was longer.

I’ve previously referred to the increasingly prevalent idea among neuroscientists and physicists that consciousness is fundamental.

Panpsychism Theory; Rupert Sheldrake’s (a Christian) Morphic Resonance Theory; Donald Hoffman’s Conscious Realism Theory… see also, philosophers Phillip Goff and Bernardo Kastrop… and others…

This idea is more ancient than NT. Some modern scholars argue that a psychedelic experience (non-normal consciousness) was foundational to the Ancient Greek Eleusinian mystery cult. Plato pointed to a fundamental consciousness. And even the 13th century Christian Dominican theologian, Meister Elkhart, talked about God as the very “ground of being” - the ground of consciousness.

No. The “word of knowledge” is not a precious, special “gift” given only to fundamentalist American evangelicals who merely name it and claim it. Paul didn’t have a monopoly on it, either, even if he believed he did.

I don’t begin with conclusions like victor and Loy. I don’t begin with belief. I only know that I know that I don’t know, and there is great liberty and “power with impact” in the not knowing.

 

 

Edited September 20, 2023 by Nathan_Jr
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[Rocky]

14 hours ago, Nathan_Jr said:

Good one. I wish it was longer.

I’ve previously referred to the increasingly prevalent idea among neuroscientists and physicists that consciousness is fundamental.

Panpsychism Theory; Rupert Sheldrake’s (a Christian) Morphic Resonance Theory; Donald Hoffman’s Conscious Realism Theory… see also, philosophers Phillip Goff and Bernardo Kastrop… and others…

This idea is more ancient than NT. Some modern scholars argue that a psychedelic experience (non-normal consciousness) was foundational to the Ancient Greek Eleusinian mystery cult. Plato pointed to a fundamental consciousness. And even the 13th century Christian Dominican theologian, Meister Elkhart, talked about God as the very “ground of being” - the ground of consciousness.

No. The “word of knowledge” is not a precious, special “gift” given only to fundamentalist American evangelicals who merely name it and claim it. Paul didn’t have a monopoly on it, either, even if he believed he did.

I don’t begin with conclusions like victor and Loy. I don’t begin with belief. I only know that I know that I don’t know, and there is great liberty and “power with impact” in the not knowing.

 

 

I thought I had posted a comment responding to yours, but it's not here. Maybe I just closed my browser tab without posting it.

Anyway, I very much appreciate the perspective you conveyed in your comment.