My son goes to a private Baptist K-8. (Neither of us are Baptist.) We haven't experienced any of this... yet.
They were not up front about it. Looking back I felt it was sneaky.
SEL sells itself as science backed such as meta-analysis or studies (rollseyes). I think they are also trying to generate data with bogus problems that solve themselves anyway.
They were not up front about it. Looking back I felt it was sneaky.
SEL sells itself as science backed such as meta-analysis or studies (rollseyes). I think they are also trying to generate data with bogus problems that solve themselves anyway.
When he starts high school I'm sure we will get a full initiation. High school will be public and racially, ethnically, religiously, politically, economically diverse - precisely what I want him to experience.
Right now he is in a very white, very affluent, very homogenous.... bubble.
Unless accreditation requires demonstrable implementation of SEL, his middle school wouldn't bother.
When he starts high school I'm sure we will get a full initiation. High school will be public and racially, ethnically, religiously, politically, economically diverse - precisely what I want him to experience.
Right now he is in a very white, very affluent, very homogenous.... bubble.
Unless accreditation requires demonstrable implementation of SEL, his middle school wouldn't bother.
My kid was 3. I believe the intent, looking at my State's website, is that it is to be for everyone, everywhere, all the time.
My kid was 3. I believe the intent, looking at my State's website, is that it is to be for everyone, everywhere, all the time.
3. 3!! WITAF?
I'm reading Louisiana's site now. This will take a while. Lots and lots and lots of words saying very, very little -- like a sermon, class or book from victor paul wierwille.
It seems CRT is explicitly baked in.
I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
I'm reading Louisiana's site now. This will take a while. Lots and lots and lots of words saying very, very little -- like a sermon, class or book from victor paul wierwille.
It seems CRT is explicitly baked in.
I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
Yes vpw.
SEL is primarily funded by CASEL. Billions of dollars are going in. This is big money. So corporate buzzspeak. CASEL's mold was greatly influenced by the Fetzer Institute. Fetzer was a big spiritualist influenced by Bailey (who wrote about education), another spiritualist under Blavasky who was a Theosophist. Whatever that is. Blavasky may have written about Aryans. That's one rabbit hole.
My son makes friends with all the humans on all the intersection lines I can think of. (Aparently fertility is also a privilege to be checked). But that matter of race has not come up. It's certainly suggested. . . . When something is wrong when nothing is wrong anything could be wrong.
The issue of focusing on these emotional and social matters cannot be standardized. That's a goalpost that can't stay still. And at the expense of the traditional purpose of school.
Bailey (who wrote about education), another spiritualist under Blavasky who was a Theosophist. Whatever that is. Blavasky may have written about Aryans. That's one rabbit hole.
A vast and cavernous network of rabbit holes. Haven't seen anyone reference Theosophy in many years.
Rudolph Steiner was a a Theosophist... or broke away from them... (must renew my mind). He developed an agricultural practice called biodynamics... I used to have a connection to some of its practitioners. Weird stuff, but their results were undeniable, if debatable as to causation, correlation or coincidence.
A vast and cavernous network of rabbit holes. Haven't seen anyone reference Theosophy in many years.
Rudolph Steiner was a a Theosophist... or broke away from them... (must renew my mind). He developed an agricultural practice called biodynamics... I used to have a connection to some of its practitioners. Weird stuff, but their results were undeniable, if debatable as to causation, correlation or coincidence.
Wikipedia says Steiner had mixed relations with the nazi party. The theosophy symbolism should make it apparent there's possible influence from theosophy to the nazis. Until recently I hadn't realized how religious Hitler's speeches sound. (Probably because they weren't in English, and the practice of changing the meaning of words is what cults do) Blavasky's Theosophy divided people into races with certain jobs or missions. One race was the Aryans.
That's not to imply CASEL is of the Nazi's, just they seem to both have common influences related to theosophy.
I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
While many teachers instinctively know that SEL is important, historically schools have been primarily focused on teaching academic content such as reading, math, science, and history, and less intentional about supporting the social and emotional skills that are so important to learning and life success.
There is a growing body of research proving that SEL is fundamental to academic success, and must be woven into the work of every teacher in every classroom and every after school and summer learning program, if we truly want to prepare all our students for college and careers.
This is California.
This is not a new class. This is everything, everywhere, all at once. Because WESAYSO. This is pseudoscience. This is mysticism. This is a cult.
This is an organization in Louisiana fighting SEL. The link to the July 2019 article authored by CASEL researchers is a scary self indictment. It appears SEL is a Trojan horse for CRT and other "theories."
Lot of fights over all this in the Louisiana legislature recently.
Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead were required reading (as were the works of Kate Chopin, Maya Angelou, Zora Neale Hurston...) when I was in high school. I don't know if Ayn Rand will fit intro CASEL's agenda or values of collectivism.
This is an organization in Louisiana fighting SEL. The link to the July 2019 article authored by CASEL researchers is a scary self indictment. It appears SEL is a Trojan horse for CRT and other "theories."
Lot of fights over all this in the Louisiana legislature recently.
Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead were required reading (as were the works of Kate Chopin, Maya Angelou, Zora Neale Hurston...) when I was in high school. I don't know if Ayn Rand will fit intro CASEL's agenda or values of collectivism.
I haven't read those books. Did have a history teacher who made everyone read many sides of an issue and then decide what you would have done. . . What were his views? He never gave them away. - That wasn't the point of the exercise.
Again with "Belonging" BS. . . . I remember getting training to help adults with "belonging" . . . I said I wasn't their daddy, they can grow up. You can have school spirit, but school is NOT your family. (My state actually says SEL helps build a "sense of family")
Why would we want to trust the school teacher to reinterpret small children's emotions for them?
SEE . . . "gaining acceptance" . . . "fitting in" AKA "sense of belonging".
Did have a history teacher who made everyone read many sides of an issue and then decide what you would have done. . . What were his views? He never gave them away. - That wasn't the point of the exercise.
To my point with the broad survey of literature. This is what it means to have a liberal education in the classic sense of that term.
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http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/lifton_brainwashing.htm Guilt and Shame are step 2. (After the assault on identity . . . and notice step 3)
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https://freedomofmind.com/cult-mind-control/bite-model/ https://casel.org/ Believing you'll get really blessed and Learn a lot.
Nathan_Jr
Wow. That's a real issue. Academics should be the priority. The very nature of school socializes children. Why do I need to even write those sentences?
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I don't think I asked for one. Familiar with Helena Blavatsky the theosophist?
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I would never.
The bit is from a Denis Miller radio show. It satirizes the very issues raised in this thread.
I'll find it and post it.
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Alice A Bailey?
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My son goes to a private Baptist K-8. (Neither of us are Baptist.) We haven't experienced any of this... yet.
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They were not up front about it. Looking back I felt it was sneaky.
SEL sells itself as science backed such as meta-analysis or studies (rollseyes). I think they are also trying to generate data with bogus problems that solve themselves anyway.
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When he starts high school I'm sure we will get a full initiation. High school will be public and racially, ethnically, religiously, politically, economically diverse - precisely what I want him to experience.
Right now he is in a very white, very affluent, very homogenous.... bubble.
Unless accreditation requires demonstrable implementation of SEL, his middle school wouldn't bother.
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My kid was 3. I believe the intent, looking at my State's website, is that it is to be for everyone, everywhere, all the time.
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3. 3!! WITAF?
I'm reading Louisiana's site now. This will take a while. Lots and lots and lots of words saying very, very little -- like a sermon, class or book from victor paul wierwille.
It seems CRT is explicitly baked in.
I'll repeat: teaching a child he is born racist is as wickedly stupid and as spiritually irresponsible as teaching a child he is born a sinner or born in sin or whatever it is religious charlatans teach.
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Yes vpw.
SEL is primarily funded by CASEL. Billions of dollars are going in. This is big money. So corporate buzzspeak. CASEL's mold was greatly influenced by the Fetzer Institute. Fetzer was a big spiritualist influenced by Bailey (who wrote about education), another spiritualist under Blavasky who was a Theosophist. Whatever that is. Blavasky may have written about Aryans. That's one rabbit hole.
My son makes friends with all the humans on all the intersection lines I can think of. (Aparently fertility is also a privilege to be checked). But that matter of race has not come up. It's certainly suggested. . . . When something is wrong when nothing is wrong anything could be wrong.
The issue of focusing on these emotional and social matters cannot be standardized. That's a goalpost that can't stay still. And at the expense of the traditional purpose of school.
There's more rabbit holes, of course.
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Well, this.
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A vast and cavernous network of rabbit holes. Haven't seen anyone reference Theosophy in many years.
Rudolph Steiner was a a Theosophist... or broke away from them... (must renew my mind). He developed an agricultural practice called biodynamics... I used to have a connection to some of its practitioners. Weird stuff, but their results were undeniable, if debatable as to causation, correlation or coincidence.
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Wikipedia says Steiner had mixed relations with the nazi party. The theosophy symbolism should make it apparent there's possible influence from theosophy to the nazis. Until recently I hadn't realized how religious Hitler's speeches sound. (Probably because they weren't in English, and the practice of changing the meaning of words is what cults do) Blavasky's Theosophy divided people into races with certain jobs or missions. One race was the Aryans.
That's not to imply CASEL is of the Nazi's, just they seem to both have common influences related to theosophy.
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http://changingminds.org/techniques/conversion/lifton_brainwashing.htm
Guilt and Shame are step 2. (After the assault on identity . . . and notice step 3)
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https://www.cde.ca.gov/ci/se/
This is California.
This is not a new class. This is everything, everywhere, all at once. Because WESAYSO. This is pseudoscience. This is mysticism. This is a cult.
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https://louisianasaveourschools.com/social-emotional-learning
This is an organization in Louisiana fighting SEL. The link to the July 2019 article authored by CASEL researchers is a scary self indictment. It appears SEL is a Trojan horse for CRT and other "theories."
Lot of fights over all this in the Louisiana legislature recently.
Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead were required reading (as were the works of Kate Chopin, Maya Angelou, Zora Neale Hurston...) when I was in high school. I don't know if Ayn Rand will fit intro CASEL's agenda or values of collectivism.
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Collectivism? . . . shouldn't raise any eyebrows . . . nope . . .
I haven't read those books. Did have a history teacher who made everyone read many sides of an issue and then decide what you would have done. . . What were his views? He never gave them away. - That wasn't the point of the exercise.
https://casel.org/casel_sel-3-signature-practices-playbook-v3/
Again with "Belonging" BS. . . . I remember getting training to help adults with "belonging" . . . I said I wasn't their daddy, they can grow up. You can have school spirit, but school is NOT your family. (My state actually says SEL helps build a "sense of family")
Why would we want to trust the school teacher to reinterpret small children's emotions for them?
SEE . . . "gaining acceptance" . . . "fitting in" AKA "sense of belonging".
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https://www.baconsrebellion.com/wp/the-social-emotional-learning-establishment-seeks-progressive-reordering-of-society/
This is about Virginia and collectivism
but but but . . .
so maybe "critical" is like "spiritual" in Wayworld
Because adjectives redefine nouns, right?
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To my point with the broad survey of literature. This is what it means to have a liberal education in the classic sense of that term.
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Mmmph
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Bolshevik
Right. SEL shows up, touching everything with endless new jargon and vacuous explanations that in my experience, ultimately defer to authority.
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A familiar playbook.
Abracadabra… accuracy!
Hey! I didn’t write the book…
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But they're promising a brighter future for all the children! To end the school to prison pipeline!
A release from your prison! Nobody's ever offered that!
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No one has ever put it all together like that - not since the 1st century.
Just beleeeve it!
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How will you learn unless you are taught?
Who will be your teacher?
CASEL will be, that’s who. Be grateful. Stop your murmuring. Don’t do it… doooon’t do it!
Absorb. Retain. Release.
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