In a word...no. but they make exceptions in cases like Craig Martindale.
So, the clergy/leadership is expected to make a lifetime commitment to the corporation, but the corporation won’t make a lifetime commitment to the clergy/leadership?
Sounds like leadership just isn’t beleeving big enough. But, Hey! God will cover.
So, the clergy/leadership is expected to make a lifetime commitment to the corporation, but the corporation won’t make a lifetime commitment to the clergy/leadership?
Sounds leadership just isn’t beleeving big enough. But, Hey! God will cover.
Where do I sign up?
Yes, thats exactly what it is, a lopsided, one-sided relationship where the way international ignores most all of it's fiduciary responsibilites in such matters. You can commit your entire life to the way international with little to no compensation and then put out to pasture at the slightest whim of a director. I lie not.
As stated at different times among the board, the policy for retirement for everybody (except the board) is
"THEY WILL WORK UNTIL THEY DIE."
I recall LCM saying that in many an after-meeting when I was in residence…but often he dealt with our more immediate concerns – like sleep deprivation – about which he liked to quip something like you’ll get to sleep all you want in heaven…
I recall LCM saying that in many an after-meeting when I was in residence…but often he dealt with our more immediate concerns – like sleep deprivation – about which he liked to quip something like you’ll get to sleep all you want in heaven…
…all praise to him who lets me sleep zzzzZZZZ zzz ZZZzzz
I recall hearing Howard Allen saying we only needed 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night. I don’t know if that was all the sleep he managed every night, but I certainly could not function on such little sleep. Is that all the rest the corps received each night?
I recall hearing Howard Allen saying we only needed 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night. I don’t know if that was all the sleep he managed every night, but I certainly could not function on such little sleep. Is that all the rest the corps received each night?
I don't know...I've slept since then
excuse me - couldn't resist...it was lights out by midnight
[sometimes we could get to bed sooner depending on variables...and sometimes if wife or I stayed up after midnight to work on research paper, a teaching, etc. we'd cover window and door threshold to prevent light leaks - cuz there were roving hall monitors - best of the best - crack SS troops who were authorized to shut down violators...the lights-Nazis - "no lights for you"]
and typically we'd get up about 5 AM...so on average we got about 5 hours of sleep.
I recall hearing Howard Allen saying we only needed 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night. I don’t know if that was all the sleep he managed every night, but I certainly could not function on such little sleep. Is that all the rest the corps received each night?
Howard Allen, bless his heart, was dead wrong about this. Dead wrong. His error is not surprising, considering who his "teacher" was.
At Emporia, John Lynn often had us go to bed quite early on Sunday night, at 10 pm. As I recall, we had to be in bed by midnight there, but at Gunnison under Tom Jenkinson, we had to be in bed by 11 pm. However, at Gunnison, because there were fewer in-residence Corps there, you had to get up in the middle of the night for 3.5 hours of Bless Patrol at least once a week. At Emporia, because numbers were higher, your Twig might have Bless Patrol (with 3 hour shifts) only once per block, as I recall. This was during the time the 13th Corps was in-residence. Of course, at HQ, they had Safety and a Doberman to do Bless Patrol duties.
excuse me - couldn't resist...it was lights out by midnight
[sometimes we could get to bed sooner depending on variables...and sometimes if wife or I stayed up after midnight to work on research paper, a teaching, etc. we'd cover window and door threshold to prevent light leaks - cuz there were roving hall monitors - best of the best - crack SS troops who were authorized to shut down violators...the lights-Nazis - "no lights for you"]
and typically we'd get up about 5 AM...so on average we got about 5 hours of sleep.
- you certainly know how to put a spin on things. I am so happy I never had the nerve to ask people to sponsor me so I could go into the Corps (which I wanted to do being as I was a good faithful little follower .
[sometimes we could get to bed sooner depending on variables...and sometimes if wife or I stayed up after midnight to work on research paper, a teaching, etc. we'd cover window and door threshold to prevent light leaks - cuz there were roving hall monitors - best of the best - crack SS troops who were authorized to shut down violators...the lights-Nazis - "no lights for you"]
and typically we'd get up about 5 AM...so on average we got about 5 hours of sleep.
Yep. Same thing in FellowLaborers.
People on the outside who were under the impression these programs were organic or spontaneous have no concept of how well it was all scripted.
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Did you mean to post this in THIS forum?
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In a word...no. but they make exceptions in cases like Craig Martindale.
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So, the clergy/leadership is expected to make a lifetime commitment to the corporation, but the corporation won’t make a lifetime commitment to the clergy/leadership?
Sounds like leadership just isn’t beleeving big enough. But, Hey! God will cover.
Where do I sign up?
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Yes, thats exactly what it is, a lopsided, one-sided relationship where the way international ignores most all of it's fiduciary responsibilites in such matters. You can commit your entire life to the way international with little to no compensation and then put out to pasture at the slightest whim of a director. I lie not.
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Good one! I should have looked at the forums more closely. Lol.
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As stated at different times among the board, the policy for retirement for everybody (except the board) is
"THEY WILL WORK UNTIL THEY DIE."
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I recall LCM saying that in many an after-meeting when I was in residence…but often he dealt with our more immediate concerns – like sleep deprivation – about which he liked to quip something like you’ll get to sleep all you want in heaven…
I think that must have been the double secret way corps principle and it even had a retemory verse:
…the wicked…cannot rest... Isaiah 57:20
yeah that way corps program was wicked alright...
…all praise to him who lets me sleep zzzzZZZZ zzz
ZZZzzz
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I recall hearing Howard Allen saying we only needed 3 to 4 hours of sleep a night. I don’t know if that was all the sleep he managed every night, but I certainly could not function on such little sleep. Is that all the rest the corps received each night?
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I don't know...I've slept since then
excuse me - couldn't resist...it was lights out by midnight
[sometimes we could get to bed sooner depending on variables...and sometimes if wife or I stayed up after midnight to work on research paper, a teaching, etc. we'd cover window and door threshold to prevent light leaks - cuz there were roving hall monitors - best of the best - crack SS troops
who were authorized to shut down violators...the lights-Nazis - "no lights for you"]
and typically we'd get up about 5 AM...so on average we got about 5 hours of sleep.
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Howard Allen, bless his heart, was dead wrong about this. Dead wrong. His error is not surprising, considering who his "teacher" was.
Only David Goggins needs 3-4 hours of sleep.
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yeah, and bedtime had a whole other predatory meaning for wierwille.
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At Emporia, John Lynn often had us go to bed quite early on Sunday night, at 10 pm. As I recall, we had to be in bed by midnight there, but at Gunnison under Tom Jenkinson, we had to be in bed by 11 pm. However, at Gunnison, because there were fewer in-residence Corps there, you had to get up in the middle of the night for 3.5 hours of Bless Patrol at least once a week. At Emporia, because numbers were higher, your Twig might have Bless Patrol (with 3 hour shifts) only once per block, as I recall. This was during the time the 13th Corps was in-residence. Of course, at HQ, they had Safety and a Doberman to do Bless Patrol duties.
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Yep. Same thing in FellowLaborers.
People on the outside who were under the impression these programs were organic or spontaneous have no concept of how well it was all scripted.
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