I'm totally ignorant on the Greek or Aramaic words for it, but I know the principle is one of "direct versus indirect," Indirect can have degrees of separation.
Does that ring a bell?
Entropy may be the deepest example of the indirect, Satan, but I have only heard and entertained this idea a few times.
Something I have always wondered about is the why is Satan usually with a capital "s" and the devil with a lower case "d" ?
I’m going to stick my neck out and say I liked your post; it reminded me of a drive through zoo we did a couple of years ago - I had the moonroof open and a giraffe had its snout poking in! We didn’t have any stretched coffee to offer…oh well… the visit was awesome!
I'm totally ignorant on the Greek or Aramaic words for it, but I know the principle is one of "direct versus indirect," Indirect can have degrees of separation.
Does that ring a bell?
Entropy may be the deepest example of the indirect, Satan, but I have only heard and entertained this idea a few times.
Something I have always wondered about is the why is Satan usually with a capital "s" and the devil with a lower case "d" ?
I'm totally ignorant on the Greek or Aramaic words for it, but I know the principle is one of "direct versus indirect," Indirect can have degrees of separation.
Does that ring a bell?
Entropy may be the deepest example of the indirect, Satan, but I have only heard and entertained this idea a few times.
Wierwille taught that the devil indicated a direct interaction, such as the devil tempting Jesus, where as satan was an indirect attack using the kingdoms of the world. Personally, I feel that such a disctinction is trivial at best and the various names simply emphasize attributes of the one named. Lucifer, devil, satan all have shades of meaning in scripture that are descriptive of lucifers nature.
I think the English convention (like my spell checker) may not be that arbitrary, but it harkens back to the KJV being such a large presence in the language for centuries. The translators may have had a reason for the upper and lower case designations?
I'm totally ignorant on the Greek or Aramaic words for it, but I know the principle is one of "direct versus indirect," Indirect can have degrees of separation.
Does that ring a bell?
Entropy may be the deepest example of the indirect, Satan, but I have only heard and entertained this idea a few times.
Something I have always wondered about is the why is Satan usually with a capital "s" and the devil with a lower case "d" ?
Uh huh. Or, could it be from the great mystery revealed session in PFAL? I guess I could ask a grad but most have either forgotten or weren't paying attention.
OMG! That is hilarious…I looked that up and found out from Wikipedia:
Kirby's main method of attack is to inhale enemies and objects into his mouth, after which the player can choose to swallow or spit them out as a star-shaped projectile attack. In addition to running and jumping, Kirby can fly by inflating himself with a mouthful of air and flapping his arms. Flying can be done indefinitely; however, while flying, Kirby's only method of attack is to release the air puff held in his mouth which cancels his flight.
Uh huh. Or, could it be from the great mystery revealed session in PFAL? I guess I could ask a grad but most have either forgotten or weren't paying attention.
Possibly, but I like better the possibility that God was supplying the information early, knowing it would help later in life, even though we weren't mature enough for it at the time.
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I'm totally ignorant on the Greek or Aramaic words for it, but I know the principle is one of "direct versus indirect," Indirect can have degrees of separation.
Does that ring a bell?
Entropy may be the deepest example of the indirect, Satan, but I have only heard and entertained this idea a few times.
Something I have always wondered about is the why is Satan usually with a capital "s" and the devil with a lower case "d" ?
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Rocky
Did you get that notion from L Run Hubbard or Stephen King?
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Are there upper and lower case grammar rules in Greek or Aramaic languages? Otherwise, if it's just English, it would seem to be arbitrary.
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I’m going to stick my neck out and say I liked your post; it reminded me of a drive through zoo we did a couple of years ago - I had the moonroof open and a giraffe had its snout poking in! We didn’t have any stretched coffee to offer…oh well… the visit was awesome!
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Direct or indirect based on what? Are you just regurgitating?
You left out Hebrew. The Satan first appears in Hebrew.
I’ll see what Heiser and others say. I’ll find out.
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DTA class, 4 ways of Adversary's influence . . . Satan was said to be indirect influence through other people or environment
Course they also says he's the Prince and Power of the Air . . . Now we're talking about Kingdoms . . . Did his Daddy die?
Edited by BolshevikDevil's influence on spelling
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T-Bone
Thanks for the reminder…when I was drafting that post I kept trying to remember that term …and was thinking Kirby Goes Bananas - no , that’s not it.
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Wierwille taught that the devil indicated a direct interaction, such as the devil tempting Jesus, where as satan was an indirect attack using the kingdoms of the world. Personally, I feel that such a disctinction is trivial at best and the various names simply emphasize attributes of the one named. Lucifer, devil, satan all have shades of meaning in scripture that are descriptive of lucifers nature.
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Mike
Never read either.
I think Jesus talked about it happening with him.
And I think this is also related to "the devil would not have crucified Jesus, had he known the mystery."
I've never thought about where I got that notion. I think from just reading the KJV.
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T-Bone
The road to TWI is paved with lots of intentions…your abundant sharing at work.
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Bolshevik
You know, had Jesus learned to hold onto resentment, he might never have been crucified, either.
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I think the English convention (like my spell checker) may not be that arbitrary, but it harkens back to the KJV being such a large presence in the language for centuries. The translators may have had a reason for the upper and lower case designations?
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What? Your 25 years of collateral study have you completely unfamiliar with the DTA class in all of its formats?
Tell me it’s not so, Collateral Guru.
This means you can’t recite “The Great Prince’s Pull” from memory?
I am severely disappointed. It’s so, so
juvenilely formulaiac.
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Uh huh. Or, could it be from the great mystery revealed session in PFAL? I guess I could ask a grad but most have either forgotten or weren't paying attention.
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OMG! That is hilarious…I looked that up and found out from Wikipedia:
Kirby's main method of attack is to inhale enemies and objects into his mouth, after which the player can choose to swallow or spit them out as a star-shaped projectile attack. In addition to running and jumping, Kirby can fly by inflating himself with a mouthful of air and flapping his arms. Flying can be done indefinitely; however, while flying, Kirby's only method of attack is to release the air puff held in his mouth which cancels his flight.
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Nathan_Jr
F’ing hilarious!
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OldSkool
bloviate wouldve been more appropriate...
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Mike
I took that class in 1974 or '75.
My collateral study was 1998-2018.
Lots of new projects going on in the past 5 years.
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"Hi, I'm Larry. This is my brother Darrel... and this is my other brother Darrel."
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I usually cite (1) forgotten or (2) not ready to fully absorb, but leave out (3) weren't paying attention. Dale Carnegie inspired me to omit (3).
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Why did they not fully absorb? Could it have been because they weren't paying attention?
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Possibly, but I like better the possibility that God was supplying the information early, knowing it would help later in life, even though we weren't mature enough for it at the time.
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