Well I think Anthony Burgess's illustration of authoritarian rule showed a dystopia where harm came from above and below. That type of control makes chaos. Changing those in power, even a different party, changes nothing. You can't force liberty on others.
"What I tried to do with bullets he accomplished with a song" - RRR (the movie)
Questions what Jesus was doing when turning the other cheek. Made for a stronger statement on the cross.
Yeah, it was 1949 politics that set up Hal Lindsey with his positive conspiracy theory and calendar for Christ's return. The books' purpose being in the bookstore was to quash the Lindsey calendar which was screwing with peoples' heads.
The reason I am interested is I'm just trying to get the history details straight.
Lots of people thought that it was anti-Semitism that those books were in there. I heard that explanation I offered earlier just once and very long ago, and then never re-surfaced again. It seemed to be forgotten.
The eight symptoms of groupthink include an illusion of invulnerability or of the inability to be wrong, the collective rationalization of the group’s decisions, an unquestioned belief in the morality of the group and its choices, stereotyping of the relevant opponents or out-group members, and the presence of “mindguards” who act as barriers to alternative or negative information, as well as self-censorship and an illusion of unanimity. Decision making affected by groupthink neglects possible alternatives and focuses on a narrow number of goals, ignoring the risks involved in a particular decision. It fails to seek out alternative information and is biased in its consideration of that which is available. Once rejected, alternatives are forgotten, and little attention is paid to contingency plans in case the preferred solution fails.
I've thought long and hard about the unquestioned belief in the fundamental morality of TWI. IMO, this is a question for cultural anthropologists. Raised in a culture/society which was overwhelmingly oriented to the Christian church, for many people (specifically ME), is why it took 12 years to be able to perceive the evil of the very concept of a fundamentalist Christian cult and TWI in particular.
I left twi when MANY PEOPLE left. That was one key for me. Popped the balloon of belonging to a biblical research, teaching and fellowship ministry. The other main issue for me was having my eyes opened to the depravity of the top dogs. Screw the lockbox, that concept itself IS evil.
I thought it was documented that he subscribed to some conspiracy theory newsletters that provided the source for many of these types of revelations and other recommendations.
You're referring to the John Birch Society. Not only did he get their newsletter, he actually had a hotline put in so he could always phone up and get their latest nonsense 24/7. (That was courtesy DWBH, who was on-grounds and knew about the line.)
You're referring to the John Birch Society. Not only did he get their newsletter, he actually had a hotline put in so he could always phone up and get their latest nonsense 24/7. (That was courtesy DWBH, who was on-grounds and knew about the line.)
Yeah, it was 1949 politics that set up Hal Lindsey with his positive conspiracy theory and calendar for Christ's return. The books' purpose being in the bookstore was to quash the Lindsey calendar which was screwing with peoples' heads.
The reason I am interested is I'm just trying to get the history details straight.
Lots of people thought that it was anti-Semitism that those books were in there. I heard that explanation I offered earlier just once and very long ago, and then never re-surfaced again. It seemed to be forgotten.
If that had been the main reason the book was in the twi bookstore, we all would have heard of that as the reason. We've all heard different accounts of some things due to official explanations being absent. In the case of anti-Semitism, that was pushed by the John Birch Society. vpw had a hotline actually installed at hq so he could get the latest up-to-the-moment drivel, and he often listened to it shortly before stepping to the podium to teach. So, no, Hal Lindsey wasn't the reason for the book, the JBS was.
That type of nonsense, yes. In that particular case, that was in lcm's time. So, I'd expect lcm had been in the office, listening to the hotline, before "coming up" with that one.
Like THE 1942 Promise that I received countless blessings from, along with thousands of other people who are similarly thankful.
You believe you received "countless blessings" in twi, therefore you believe that that could ONLY be a consequence if vpw actually heard from God in 1942 with specifics that have been disproven. There's some rather obvious flaws in your "logic", but if you refuse to examine it, you won't improve.
Literal translation according to usage... "...since you refuse to examine it, you'll remain firmly encased in the quicksand of your minute and miniscule mental dungeon." Alas, Mike is hopeless.
How does he expend his mental energy? Hard to tell.
As for me and my house... I look to the wisdom of Proverbs 2:1-5.
2 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding—
3 indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God.
God inspires awe. Wierwille, OTOH, inspires nothing.
Imagine. Ponder. Consider. What images from the JWST inspire... far more than anything the guy Mike characterizes (as if he knows the heart and mind of GSC netizens) as the anti-hero.
You're referring to the John Birch Society. Not only did he get their newsletter, he actually had a hotline put in so he could always phone up and get their latest nonsense 24/7. (That was courtesy DWBH, who was on-grounds and knew about the line.)
Yes this I believe is another homiletics tactic. The “shock jock”. Made popular by Howard Stern.
Bring up wild and crazy claims about devilishness to distract from the lack of scholarship.
EX: All denomination heads are seed of serpent. The pope is seed of serpent. See this crazy guy visiting speaking at lunch? Oh we already told the audience he is seed of serpent.
Like THE 1942 Promise that I received countless blessings from, along with thousands of other people who are similarly thankful.
Yes like all the broken women who were “healed” by the power of the Christ in you micro peen.
And all the Corps who questioned him and were labeled possessed. And all the other many many groups who split off due to doctrine, evil acts, and the management of the group.
And his wife who after all the bad treatment and adultery said he was a mean man.
And his kids who are not even with the same ministry.
This “promise” was a mental dream of VPW. It has many stories similar to the Mormon story and just as far fetched and ridiculous.
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You're describing confabulation via confirmation bias. You literally decide anything you want, because of your narcissistic paranoia that your adversary is "out there", and decide that whatever you l
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Bolshevik
Well I think Anthony Burgess's illustration of authoritarian rule showed a dystopia where harm came from above and below. That type of control makes chaos. Changing those in power, even a different party, changes nothing. You can't force liberty on others.
"What I tried to do with bullets he accomplished with a song" - RRR (the movie)
Questions what Jesus was doing when turning the other cheek. Made for a stronger statement on the cross.
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Ambivalence
That's the word I'm looking for.
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Like THE 1942 Promise that I received countless blessings from, along with thousands of other people who are similarly thankful.
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I've thought long and hard about the unquestioned belief in the fundamental morality of TWI. IMO, this is a question for cultural anthropologists. Raised in a culture/society which was overwhelmingly oriented to the Christian church, for many people (specifically ME), is why it took 12 years to be able to perceive the evil of the very concept of a fundamentalist Christian cult and TWI in particular.
I left twi when MANY PEOPLE left. That was one key for me. Popped the balloon of belonging to a biblical research, teaching and fellowship ministry. The other main issue for me was having my eyes opened to the depravity of the top dogs. Screw the lockbox, that concept itself IS evil.
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Again you speak in generalities, not in specifics. Countless blessings? Thousands?
Okay, you're one. Meanwhile, I can show you 18,000 people the 1942 promise failed.
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You're referring to the John Birch Society. Not only did he get their newsletter, he actually had a hotline put in so he could always phone up and get their latest nonsense 24/7. (That was courtesy DWBH, who was on-grounds and knew about the line.)
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Like the pope had an aircraft carrier?
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If that had been the main reason the book was in the twi bookstore, we all would have heard of that as the reason. We've all heard different accounts of some things due to official explanations being absent. In the case of anti-Semitism, that was pushed by the John Birch Society. vpw had a hotline actually installed at hq so he could get the latest up-to-the-moment drivel, and he often listened to it shortly before stepping to the podium to teach. So, no, Hal Lindsey wasn't the reason for the book, the JBS was.
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That type of nonsense, yes. In that particular case, that was in lcm's time. So, I'd expect lcm had been in the office, listening to the hotline, before "coming up" with that one.
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You believe you received "countless blessings" in twi, therefore you believe that that could ONLY be a consequence if vpw actually heard from God in 1942 with specifics that have been disproven. There's some rather obvious flaws in your "logic", but if you refuse to examine it, you won't improve.
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Literal translation according to usage... "...since you refuse to examine it, you'll remain firmly encased in the quicksand of your minute and miniscule mental dungeon." Alas, Mike is hopeless.
How does he expend his mental energy? Hard to tell.
As for me and my house... I look to the wisdom of Proverbs 2:1-5.
2 My son, if you accept my words
and store up my commands within you,
2 turning your ear to wisdom
and applying your heart to understanding—
3 indeed, if you call out for insight
and cry aloud for understanding,
4 and if you look for it as for silver
and search for it as for hidden treasure,
5 then you will understand the fear of the Lord
and find the knowledge of God.
God inspires awe. Wierwille, OTOH, inspires nothing.
Imagine. Ponder. Consider. What images from the JWST inspire... far more than anything the guy Mike characterizes (as if he knows the heart and mind of GSC netizens) as the anti-hero.
Research THIS:
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Yes this I believe is another homiletics tactic. The “shock jock”. Made popular by Howard Stern.
Bring up wild and crazy claims about devilishness to distract from the lack of scholarship.
EX: All denomination heads are seed of serpent. The pope is seed of serpent. See this crazy guy visiting speaking at lunch? Oh we already told the audience he is seed of serpent.
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Yes like all the broken women who were “healed” by the power of the Christ in you micro peen.
And all the Corps who questioned him and were labeled possessed. And all the other many many groups who split off due to doctrine, evil acts, and the management of the group.
And his wife who after all the bad treatment and adultery said he was a mean man.
And his kids who are not even with the same ministry.
This “promise” was a mental dream of VPW. It has many stories similar to the Mormon story and just as far fetched and ridiculous.
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waysider
Yeah, but there were gas pumps and stuff so it has to be true...right?
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Rocky
If the link is blocked, nevermind, it's just an image of Paine.
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Good one. I saw this one the other day. I follow this guy.
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Rocky
Have you read any of his books?
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outandabout
I’m triggered.
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How so? Anything anyone here can do to help you get untriggered?
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Bolshevik
Research Compartment (-ilize)?
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Respectfully, my question was for OutandAbout.
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Nathan_Jr
No. Didn't realize he was an author. I'll look for them.
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https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/18668059-the-obstacle-is-the-way
https://www.goodreads.com/book/show/43582733-stillness-is-the-key
https://goodreads.com/book/show/27036528.Ego_Is_the_Enemy
He's written more than these three, but this trilogy are, IMO, the most significant.
Highly readable, not overly long or tedious.
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