Imitation is not authentic, is it? Imitation is like a counterfeit? It's not the real deal.
When it comes to children learning, imitation is how they learn.
I have a fabulous Internet video of famous Emma O'Sullivan doing her fabulous Irish free-form step dancing on cobblestones, busking with a hat for donations. A tiny toddler, who is still learning to walk confidently, approaches her, and imitates her steps crudely, but very recognizably. It is absolutely darling.
I have seen this same phenomenon at San Diego's hippie beach with a band playing loud Rock n Roll outdoors on an asphalt at a weekly Farmer's Market. Parents bring their toddlers to learn to dance. I have danced with about 3 of them over the years.
It is hilarious and awesome to see how God put "circuitry of imitation" into their DNA and tiny brains. Neuroscience may have identified these circuits with the discovery of what they call Mirror Neurons. This has been going on for almost 30 years.
I'll say it: scripture does direct us to a personal relationship with Christ. I listed a bunch of scriptures yet you won't respond to them. Once more you show your true colors as a bullshonta artist.
I did one summary response to them, and gave ways each scripture can be handled. Actually handling them, one by one, will take some time, maybe a long time for some. I asked you a few times for you hottest one, and you ignored that.
Have you added any new ones?
Remember I told you I put that list in a special folder, and not the circular one? If you added any, I'll update it.
You are just impatient with my slow response.
Want me to bring my summary over here?
I was just trying to make that thread less Mikeish as Raf desired. I really did say all I could there, except for your long blue list.
And you wont mind if I bring Raf's comments over here in mini-discussions of absent Christ? I am still a little stunned at how he wrapped it up for me. I'm going to ask ChatGPT to re-write his response for me, so I can use it as my own and copyright it.
I did one summary response to them, and gave ways each scripture can be handled. Actually handling them, one by one, will take some time, maybe a long time for some. I asked you a few times for you hottest one, and you ignored that.
Have you added any new ones?
Remember I told you I put that list in a special folder, and not the circular one? If you added any, I'll update it.
You are just impatient with my slow response.
Want me to bring my summary over here?
I was just trying to make that thread less Mikeish as Raf desired. I really did say all I could there, except for your long blue list.
And you wont mind if I bring Raf's comments over here in mini-discussions of absent Christ? I am still a little stunned at how he wrapped it up for me. I'm going to ask ChatGPT to re-write his response for me, so I can use it as my own and copyright it.
Oh....scared of Raf...
Please do something besides BS. Bottom line is you havent responded in any meaningful and the conversation is going stong with Raf/modcat5 on the absent Christ thread...but you ran off claiming some kind of victory as your petty betty manner is.
I could care less if you respond or not but its weak to come over here and try to continue the conversation without responding to the conversation in progress thats on topic.
Yes. We've all agreed JC should be in that TWI-4 blurb.
PLUS there is STILL another fellowship (from 1 John 1) that no one but me mentions: we fellowship with John and the apostles who wrote the Word for us to believe on Jesus.
But it's also pointed out that it's important parents imitate the child, which I assume most of us do naturally.
. . . and as mentioned mirroring (imitating) occurs in the love-bombing process . . . harkening back to early stages of development, it appears.
I agree with everything you stated. My point was that imitation is not the only way children learn: they are not limited to imitation. Its only one piece of the puzzle, so to speak.
I dunno...its just me...as a parent I shudder everytime mike talks about anything having to do with children. There is so much more that goes into child raising besides letting them imitate us. It is vitally important, but just one tool in the box.
HOWEVER, wouldn't you say that was the kind of relationship the apostles had with him before the Ascension? I would. But God upgraded that on Pentecost with a BETTER kind of relationship, that of an ambassador.
Mike, my original post was about having personal fellowship with Christ because 1 John 1:3 is about fellowship.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son.
Youimmediately changed it in your reply to a personal relationship with him. We have to go back to the word fellowship.
I think I remember something from pfal that says "fellowship" is the Greek word "koinónia" which meant sharing fully. Correct me if I'm wrong. Sharing requires two or more people. Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines fellowship as "companionship" and companionship requires companions companions requires two or more people.
Do you need to see scriptures that demonstrate this sharing or companionship that 1 John says they had with the Father and his son?
I agree with everything you stated. My point was that imitation is not the only way children learn: they are not limited to imitation. Its only one piece of the puzzle, so to speak.
I dunno...its just me...as a parent I shudder everytime mike talks about anything having to do with children. There is so much more that goes into child raising besides letting them imitate us. It is vitally important, but just one tool in the box.
We agree on the shuddering . . . and I think that is important . . . that instinctive reaction to something being wrong
Extreme Narcissists are little children in adult bodies.
A grown adult wants to imitate like a small child, . . . . imitate who? Or be imitated? By who? And why?
When it comes to children learning, imitation is how they learn.
I have a fabulous Internet video of famous Emma O'Sullivan doing her fabulous Irish free-form step dancing on cobblestones, busking with a hat for donations. A tiny toddler, who is still learning to walk confidently, approaches her, and imitates her steps crudely, but very recognizably. It is absolutely darling.
I have seen this same phenomenon at San Diego's hippie beach with a band playing loud Rock n Roll outdoors on an asphalt at a weekly Farmer's Market. Parents bring their toddlers to learn to dance. I have danced with about 3 of them over the years.
It is hilarious and awesome to see how God put "circuitry of imitation" into their DNA and tiny brains. Neuroscience may have identified these circuits with the discovery of what they call Mirror Neurons. This has been going on for almost 30 years.
We have an innate capacity for mirroring, for imitating. It may be an evolutionary adaptation to facilitate how we learn to talk as babies. Mirror neurons simply provide an ability to imitate, to mirror. This is not learning.
But imitation may be a form of learning by rote. A superficial, shallow, temporal form of learning.
According to me.
I was explaining how I was using the phrases.
If you had read the context for understanding that may have been obvious to you.
Case dismissed.
It still doesn't seem odd to you when you decline to take responsibility for the quality or lack thereof of what you post? "If you had read..." is you, apparently in your mind, declining to own your words. Unfortunately, nobody here seems to be surprised.
And you wont mind if I bring Raf's comments over here in mini-discussions of absent Christ? I am still a little stunned at how he wrapped it up for me.
He didnt wrap it up for you. The topic is still under discussion, but apperantly involving Raf (which I welcome) is enough for you to avoid any further discussion because the information you provide CANNOT stand scrutiny.
No, but the inspired written words of the (temporarily) dead apostles are alive. We have fellowship with with the Father and the Son via these written words. I feel a sense of distant-relationship or a suspended fellowship with them, that will be revived at Christ's return.
I don't think those words were put there, only to expire when the apostles died. I think we ought to recognize this fellowship, like the "cloud of witnesses."
He didnt wrap it up for you. The topic is still under discussion, but apperantly involving Raf (which I welcome) is enough for you to avoid any further discussion because the information you provide CANNOT stand scrutiny.
No, I disagree. I said I wanted to see how the chips fall with me not there. Let me know if anything SUBSTANTIAL is discovered there, and I'll at least read it, and maybe return to discuss it.
Surely you must know that I will be criticized if I do return to that thread.
If I couldn't stand scrutiny, I'd have been long gone from here.
No, I disagree. I said I wanted to see how the chips fall with me not there. Let me know if anything SUBSTANTIAL is discovered there, and I'll at least read it, and maybe return to discuss it.
Surely you must know that I will be criticized if I do return to that thread.
If I couldn't stand scrutiny, I'd have been long gone from here.
Ya, right. But your dishonest enough to discuss it in at least two other threads and then say the topic is over.
So the Word takes the place of God and Christ..ok...so were clear now.
I think the Word needs to be in a renewed mind of a person with holy spirit. THEN it can effectively take the place of the absent Christ as that person reconciles people back to God.
I think the Word needs to be in a renewed mind of a person with holy spirit. THEN it can effectively take the place of the absent Christ as that person reconciles people back to God.
Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Scripture never alludes to anything ever taking Christ's place but you can enjoy your rut.
I think the Word needs to be in a renewed mind of a person with holy spirit. THEN it can effectively take the place of the absent Christ as that person reconciles people back to God.
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When it comes to children learning, imitation is how they learn.
I have a fabulous Internet video of famous Emma O'Sullivan doing her fabulous Irish free-form step dancing on cobblestones, busking with a hat for donations. A tiny toddler, who is still learning to walk confidently, approaches her, and imitates her steps crudely, but very recognizably. It is absolutely darling.
I have seen this same phenomenon at San Diego's hippie beach with a band playing loud Rock n Roll outdoors on an asphalt at a weekly Farmer's Market. Parents bring their toddlers to learn to dance. I have danced with about 3 of them over the years.
It is hilarious and awesome to see how God put "circuitry of imitation" into their DNA and tiny brains. Neuroscience may have identified these circuits with the discovery of what they call Mirror Neurons. This has been going on for almost 30 years.
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Wheres your response mike? Oh other than saying God is a liar because he deceived Peter and the others with a hologram of Jesus.
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I did one summary response to them, and gave ways each scripture can be handled. Actually handling them, one by one, will take some time, maybe a long time for some. I asked you a few times for you hottest one, and you ignored that.
Have you added any new ones?
Remember I told you I put that list in a special folder, and not the circular one? If you added any, I'll update it.
You are just impatient with my slow response.
Want me to bring my summary over here?
I was just trying to make that thread less Mikeish as Raf desired. I really did say all I could there, except for your long blue list.
And you wont mind if I bring Raf's comments over here in mini-discussions of absent Christ? I am still a little stunned at how he wrapped it up for me. I'm going to ask ChatGPT to re-write his response for me, so I can use it as my own and copyright it.
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Oh....scared of Raf...
Please do something besides BS. Bottom line is you havent responded in any meaningful and the conversation is going stong with Raf/modcat5 on the absent Christ thread...but you ran off claiming some kind of victory as your petty betty manner is.
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Nathan_Jr
Damn. Ry MF’n Cooder.
Now, this is an example of authenticity.
Thanks for this, Waysider!
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Children will imitate but that is not how they learn. It could be one way that they learn but not how they learn.
Types of Learning Styles
These are the four main types of learning styles:
https://abilitypath.org/ap-resources/childrens-learning-styles/
While, imitation could fit into anyone of these it is not required for children to learn.
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I could care less if you respond or not but its weak to come over here and try to continue the conversation without responding to the conversation in progress thats on topic.
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Bolshevik
Babies imitate from early on,
https://jacobsfoundation.org/why-imitation-in-early-childhood-is-crucial/
But it's also pointed out that it's important parents imitate the child, which I assume most of us do naturally.
. . . and as mentioned mirroring (imitating) occurs in the love-bombing process . . . harkening back to early stages of development, it appears.
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So the dead are alive, now?
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I agree with everything you stated. My point was that imitation is not the only way children learn: they are not limited to imitation. Its only one piece of the puzzle, so to speak.
I dunno...its just me...as a parent I shudder everytime mike talks about anything having to do with children. There is so much more that goes into child raising besides letting them imitate us. It is vitally important, but just one tool in the box.
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Mike, my original post was about having personal fellowship with Christ because 1 John 1:3 is about fellowship.
3 We proclaim to you what we have seen and heard, so that you also may have fellowship with us. And our fellowship is with the Father and with his Son.
You immediately changed it in your reply to a personal relationship with him. We have to go back to the word fellowship.
I think I remember something from pfal that says "fellowship" is the Greek word "koinónia" which meant sharing fully. Correct me if I'm wrong. Sharing requires two or more people. Merriam-Webster Dictionary defines fellowship as "companionship" and companionship requires companions companions requires two or more people.
Do you need to see scriptures that demonstrate this sharing or companionship that 1 John says they had with the Father and his son?
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We agree on the shuddering . . . and I think that is important . . . that instinctive reaction to something being wrong
Extreme Narcissists are little children in adult bodies.
A grown adult wants to imitate like a small child, . . . . imitate who? Or be imitated? By who? And why?
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We have an innate capacity for mirroring, for imitating. It may be an evolutionary adaptation to facilitate how we learn to talk as babies. Mirror neurons simply provide an ability to imitate, to mirror. This is not learning.
But imitation may be a form of learning by rote. A superficial, shallow, temporal form of learning.
Find out what it means to learn.
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It still doesn't seem odd to you when you decline to take responsibility for the quality or lack thereof of what you post? "If you had read..." is you, apparently in your mind, declining to own your words. Unfortunately, nobody here seems to be surprised.
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He didnt wrap it up for you. The topic is still under discussion, but apperantly involving Raf (which I welcome) is enough for you to avoid any further discussion because the information you provide CANNOT stand scrutiny.
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No, but the inspired written words of the (temporarily) dead apostles are alive. We have fellowship with with the Father and the Son via these written words. I feel a sense of distant-relationship or a suspended fellowship with them, that will be revived at Christ's return.
I don't think those words were put there, only to expire when the apostles died. I think we ought to recognize this fellowship, like the "cloud of witnesses."
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Yes, I am thinking the a relationship and fellowship are pretty much the same. It seemed to me that you were adding the word "personal" to the mix.
I agree there are many scriptures that talk about our "full sharing" type of relationship or fellowship over lots of items we have in common.
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So the Word takes the place of God and Christ..ok...so were clear now.
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No, I disagree. I said I wanted to see how the chips fall with me not there. Let me know if anything SUBSTANTIAL is discovered there, and I'll at least read it, and maybe return to discuss it.
Surely you must know that I will be criticized if I do return to that thread.
If I couldn't stand scrutiny, I'd have been long gone from here.
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Ya, right. But your dishonest enough to discuss it in at least two other threads and then say the topic is over.
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I think the Word needs to be in a renewed mind of a person with holy spirit. THEN it can effectively take the place of the absent Christ as that person reconciles people back to God.
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Well, you are entitled to your opinion. Scripture never alludes to anything ever taking Christ's place but you can enjoy your rut.
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Great Principle = Trojan Horse
holy spirit = inflated ego
Renewed Mind = False Self
Absent Christ = Repressed Self
The Word = Shared Fantasy
God = A void
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I had fellowship with Shakespeare. Good times. Good times.
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