You missed major points I made, but thank you for the opportunity to repeat them.
This shiny marketing presentation they need none of my help with.
It is the second bio that I am assembling a crew to UN-shine in a loving way, the whole story. I think this is a lot of what Luke did with writing Acts. It is the unvarnished history of the First Century Church, the parts God knows are useful to us.
The second bio exists in its entirety encapsulated in threads on this site.
It has already rescued many from the clutches of the evil cult.
But you reject these accounts, facts, logic, truth.
You say they are influenced by an imaginary anti idol filled with hate.
So you venture out on your own whitewash brush in hand. Disconnected from both audiences. Having the empathy of a small soap dish. And reading the room you are in with the skill of said soap dish.
1. They would feel disenfranchised $65 million of their money is going to sustain a cult they left.
2. 80% or more left in the 80s when the truth came out and nobody trusted Craig to follow him.
The Way, TSCM - the so called ministry, has been like the Mormon church, enriching themselves and surviving off the leftover cash cow from the ministry heyday.
Like the Mormons they have an investment portfolio. Like the Mormons they are rich at HQ but never help their own members with any hardships ever.
They desperately need tithing members. There is a record of a witnessing “push” in 2018. This will be repeated as it is in the fabric of their leadership manuals.
Desperate cult is desperate.
He won answer to the links I posted that he refuses to watch or read either...his makes himself look like a bullshonta artist with an agenda.
@Mike
Again, post it here, as I've suggested. Or post it on a topic specific to her book. You are free to post your critique anywhere, except Roy's thread.
She wasn't free to do honest research while under victor, but you are free to express your opinions.
You missed major points I made, but thank you for the opportunity to repeat them.
This shiny marketing presentation they need none of my help with.
It is the second bio that I am assembling a crew to UN-shine in a loving way, the whole story. I think this is a lot of what Luke did with writing Acts. It is the unvarnished history of the First Century Church, the parts God knows are useful to us.
And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.
You missed major points I made, but thank you for the opportunity to repeat them.
This shiny marketing presentation they need none of my help with.
It is the second bio that I am assembling a crew to UN-shine in a loving way, the whole story. I think this is a lot of what Luke did with writing Acts. It is the unvarnished history of the First Century Church, the parts God knows are useful to us.
And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.
There is a proper time for every level of child rearing.
Some children never face the harsh realities of the outside world so remain at a child like emotional development state through most of their adult life.
Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in.
And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post.
And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike.
Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in.
And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post.
And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike.
Anybody up for this?
Been trying to make that point to him for a couple of post.
People equate reading with work, they're just looking for a reason not to read and watch Love Boat. So, the see a long post they either skip it or skim it.
That's why I scoff when he says he has a read only audience.
Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in.
And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post.
And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike.
Anybody up for this?
Sure go for it.
Says the guy who starts all the random thought threads that nobody reads
I didn't witness the "doggy" video first hand, but I was present on several occasions when Wierwille presented his list of sex related slang in CF&S. Some of the students were as young as 13 years old. If he did that today, he'd be put on a registry and have to report periodically to a government agency. I'm not sure if he would be required to put that on his business card, though.
I didn't witness the "doggy" video first hand, but I was present on several occasions when Wierwille presented his list of sex related slang in CF&S. Some of the students were as young as 13 years old. If he did that today, he'd be put on a registry and have to report periodically to a government agency. I'm not sure if he would be required to put that on his business card, though.
I've only seen the one loaded to Internet Archive. It's difficult to watch, like all videos of victor paul wierwille. In it he asserts several "private interpretations" of the Bible. It's a mid-70s production, I think. At that filming he is not yet out too far over his skis -- he spews bullshonta and lies like you just wouldn't believe!
I've wondered WTF was the point of that "class" but for grooming of girls for future "service."
I've wondered WTF was the point of that "class" but for grooming of girls for future "service."
Im thinking wierwille was using that sort of behavior and filth for two main reasons:
1) move boundaries
2) desensitize people to his filth.
That's not in order of importance and there are likely other reasons. I saw Martindale and others from the trustee/director do the same by being crude and telling really dirty jokes that would make a construction worker blush.
Im thinking wierwille was using that sort of behavior and filth for two main reasons:
1) move boundaries
2) desensitize people to his filth.
That's not in order of importance and there are likely other reasons. I saw Martindale and others from the trustee/director do the same by being crude and telling really dirty jokes that would make a construction worker blush.
Yes. I think those two reasons are designs of the grooming.
CF&S was a play called at the line of scrimmage. Not everyone could run that play. Many tried and gained some ground, like Loy. But only Victor Barnard, one of vpw’s most astute disciples, could take it all the way.
Deut 27:17 “Cursed is anyone who moves their neighbor’s boundary stone.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
Do you remember in PFAL where he went on about that meaning not just physical boundaries, but the boundaries of the mind?
VPW's porn movies, the bad language, LCM's overripe descriptions of what homosexuals do, the hugs and touching at twig (introductory) level - all designed to move the boundaries of one's mind. All a bit of priming, here and there, for what might "be available" later.
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The second bio exists in its entirety encapsulated in threads on this site.
It has already rescued many from the clutches of the evil cult.
But you reject these accounts, facts, logic, truth.
You say they are influenced by an imaginary anti idol filled with hate.
So you venture out on your own whitewash brush in hand. Disconnected from both audiences. Having the empathy of a small soap dish. And reading the room you are in with the skill of said soap dish.
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He won answer to the links I posted that he refuses to watch or read either...his makes himself look like a bullshonta artist with an agenda.
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Yes anytime someone makes a valid point he just completely ignores that post and chains onto another one to get his message out.
He has a false vision of being Luke the physician sent by God to heal the cult history.
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@Mike
Again, post it here, as I've suggested. Or post it on a topic specific to her book. You are free to post your critique anywhere, except Roy's thread.
She wasn't free to do honest research while under victor, but you are free to express your opinions.
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And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.
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And I don't buy that we have to protect them dreck. It's like saying we need to protect children by hiding the reality of strangers with candy.
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There is a proper time for every level of child rearing.
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Do you have children?
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Some children never face the harsh realities of the outside world so remain at a child like emotional development state through most of their adult life.
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bullshonta.
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Okay, I'm minded to start a brand new thread (again) and repeat my Empathy post. Perhaps we can all leave the first page and a half to Mike for his ruminations. And then we can all jump in.
And Mike. No one great long screed. Anything you post will be in small chunks. Bite-size. If you want to make a long post, break it up. Like: Answer ONE paragraph with ONE OR TWO paragraphs of your own. Then move to your next post.
And no bloody jargon or fake terminology, either, Mike.
Anybody up for this?
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And what's the proper level for this instance? Wait until the ministry had bled them of all their money then tell them the truth?
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I mean for Chrissakes there’s BABIES in the audience.
That big toe tarnish could really keep them from focusing on the Word in children’s fellowship.
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Been trying to make that point to him for a couple of post.
People equate reading with work, they're just looking for a reason not to read and watch Love Boat. So, the see a long post they either skip it or skim it.
That's why I scoff when he says he has a read only audience.
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There were children in the audience when Victor showed his CF&S. T-bone has chronicled that grooming event a couple times.
What is the proper time to show a video of bestiality to children?
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Sure go for it.
Says the guy who starts all the random thought threads that nobody reads
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I'm game...Mike's not gonna change what he does...he's trying to be annoying on purpose...but who cares what he says or does...let's do it.
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I didn't witness the "doggy" video first hand, but I was present on several occasions when Wierwille presented his list of sex related slang in CF&S. Some of the students were as young as 13 years old. If he did that today, he'd be put on a registry and have to report periodically to a government agency. I'm not sure if he would be required to put that on his business card, though.
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I've only seen the one loaded to Internet Archive. It's difficult to watch, like all videos of victor paul wierwille. In it he asserts several "private interpretations" of the Bible. It's a mid-70s production, I think. At that filming he is not yet out too far over his skis -- he spews bullshonta and lies like you just wouldn't believe!
I've wondered WTF was the point of that "class" but for grooming of girls for future "service."
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Im thinking wierwille was using that sort of behavior and filth for two main reasons:
1) move boundaries
2) desensitize people to his filth.
That's not in order of importance and there are likely other reasons. I saw Martindale and others from the trustee/director do the same by being crude and telling really dirty jokes that would make a construction worker blush.
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Yes. I think those two reasons are designs of the grooming.
CF&S was a play called at the line of scrimmage. Not everyone could run that play. Many tried and gained some ground, like Loy. But only Victor Barnard, one of vpw’s most astute disciples, could take it all the way.
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Deut 27:17 “Cursed is anyone who moves their neighbor’s boundary stone.” Then all the people shall say, “Amen!”
Do you remember in PFAL where he went on about that meaning not just physical boundaries, but the boundaries of the mind?
VPW's porn movies, the bad language, LCM's overripe descriptions of what homosexuals do, the hugs and touching at twig (introductory) level - all designed to move the boundaries of one's mind. All a bit of priming, here and there, for what might "be available" later.
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I don’t remember that, but I believe you. What was his point? Was it an unintentional indictment of himself?
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