The friend, to whom I referred in my comment earlier, intuitively noted he has lived in the same house for too long a time. I don't believe twi is anywhere near sophisticated enough to do such research.
In fact, the mere fact they are doing this seems to belie a definite fiscal desperation, as others have noted.
I don't know for sure, but I would say they are using old personal records...yes they keep files on people.
I don't know for sure, but I would say they are using old personal records...yes they keep files on people.
Yeah, I know they've kept lists of PFLAP grads. That's how I figured they'd been doing it... without using any database/filter techniques. I doubt they have a current address for me, however. I told them to take me off of mailing lists at least 30 years ago.
Yeah, I know they've kept lists of PFLAP grads. That's how I figured they'd been doing it... without using any database/filter techniques. I doubt they have a current address for me, however. I told them to take me off of mailing lists at least 30 years ago.
It's interesting. People have received this postcard and it has brought some old posters back to this site, people who haven't been seen in a while. Perhaps they have been lurking, watching without posting.
Would be good if we could get the database that TWI is using, and send everyone The Other Side (GSC) postcards . Not going to happen, of course.
Rearranging the deck chairs on the HMS Titanic didn't count as change, either. (Even without using string to arrange the chairs.)
Therein lies the problem, cmon...everyone know you HAVE to use string to arrange the chairs! I mean those few minutes before Big Bertha sits in the front row and demolishes half a row of perfectly straight chairs is nirvana...
I have NEVER been anywhere or seen anyone else string chairs outside the way international. I recently setup a banquet room for a funeral Repass. Didnt string one table or chair and it looked oh so great and I wasnt the least bit disturbed when Big Bertha took out half a table when she sat down...lol
They have my new address because I ordered from the bookstore recently. Im still waiting on my post card. They know exactly who I am...lol...guess I was marked and avoided for my GSC activities....Guess I shouldnt wait by the mailbox too long.
Rearranging the deck chairs on the HMS Titanic didn't count as change, either. (Even without using string to arrange the chairs.)
Yes we would consider doubling down on no research and the 1942 promise and redoing PFAL while marking and avoiding your peers who had viable changes suggested as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
No substantive change in any sense. Same structure same whitewashing same denials same false statement of beliefs to draw in unsuspecting Christians looking for a church.
Actually the change in evidence is in returning to VPWs work as opposed to discarding it and going in a new direction dictated by scripture. So the change they are enacting is in exactly the wrong direction. Because they are too blind to see the direction.
They aren’t able to do this because they have never changed the organization to support genuine Biblical research. The only type ever done is re-search assuming you have the 1942 promise as a given then constructing logic from there.
One more version of an old wineskin does not comprise change.
I heard from a friend on FB yesterday, a friend who has posted prominently on GSC, about having received one of those postcards.
While probably would make sense for twi to filter the mailing list as you suggested, I don't think the cult is currently sophisticated enough to figure out such targeting for the mailing.
So you don’t think they have specific flag fields in “the book of life” for the purpose of indicating the status of the person on the record?
You don’t think they maintain an active distinction in “status” between “inactive” and some form of “mark and avoid”?
I disagree and feel that what they call their record book and the status fields they enter in there absolutely define a cult. There’s a picture of an old computer interacting with the “book of life” as well as personal accounts of people interacting with it. It is a real thing that they hide from their followers to lessen the impact.
So you don’t think they have specific flag fields in “the book of life” for the purpose of indicating the status of the person on the record?
You don’t think they maintain an active distinction in “status” between “inactive” and some form of “mark and avoid”?
I disagree and feel that what they call their record book and the status fields they enter in there absolutely define a cult. There’s a picture of an old computer interacting with the “book of life” as well as personal accounts of people interacting with it. It is a real thing that they hide from their followers to lessen the impact.
Last I knew they used an AS400 mainframe for such matters.
So you don’t think they have specific flag fields in “the book of life” for the purpose of indicating the status of the person on the record?
You don’t think they maintain an active distinction in “status” between “inactive” and some form of “mark and avoid”?
I disagree and feel that what they call their record book and the status fields they enter in there absolutely define a cult. There’s a picture of an old computer interacting with the “book of life” as well as personal accounts of people interacting with it. It is a real thing that they hide from their followers to lessen the impact.
I think I indicated I spent time, often playing on The Book of Life, just looking up random people.
Other times I would receive angry calls at 2 am, look the person up, and see if they were M&A or something else. (Other times nut-jobs would show up on HQ grounds in person at all hours).
Yes they know if you are on the "naughty list" and other info. But I think Rocky was saying people move a lot and mailing addresses are hard to maintain over decades at times. I don't know that The Book of Life was connected to the internet or anything. Just old technology with the green cursor box.
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I don't know for sure, but I would say they are using old personal records...yes they keep files on people.
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Yeah, I know they've kept lists of PFLAP grads. That's how I figured they'd been doing it... without using any database/filter techniques. I doubt they have a current address for me, however.
I told them to take me off of mailing lists at least 30 years ago.
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I used to search people on The Book of Life to filter calls I received. They keep records to know if a caller is standing or MA'd and such.
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It's like they record information the day they encountered you knowing you could be liability one day.
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Not surprising. Paranoia can be serious.
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Well, I'm thinking I'll be marked safe from receiving a "Come Home" postcard. I've moved at least 6 times since my TWI departure!!
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It's interesting. People have received this postcard and it has brought some old posters back to this site, people who haven't been seen in a while. Perhaps they have been lurking, watching without posting.
Would be good if we could get the database that TWI is using, and send everyone The Other Side (GSC) postcards
. Not going to happen, of course.
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What organization calls their records “the book of Life”?
One that acknowledges other Christians or one that does not acknowledge other Christians?
A denomination of Christianity or a cult established upon exclusive control of the individual?
Little things that are “fruit” tell you a lot about big things.
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The postcard reminds me of death.
I'm sure there's a lot of folks out their who just want to see familiar faces one more time.
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T-Bone
I’ve got an idea for the postcard…kinda reminds me of the Indiana campus
A hell of a place to hale from
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Well it seems they took our criticism of the fog path postcard and have upgraded it to the burial site of the charlatan.
The fountain of dead wineskins.
I think the most appropriate response would be to send a postcard back with a person in pensive thought with the question
”Time to Change?”
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Bolshevik
. . . They won't get it . . . They'll send a picture of a Horn of Plenty full of coins . . .
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Or
Some special coins I learned about on the NT canon thread…a$$ pennies
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Rocky
What matters is the response, not the reaction to the response.
I love chockful's idea.
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I think they would say, "We have changed."
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Yeah, that's kinda what the postcard is implying.
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Rearranging the deck chairs on the HMS Titanic didn't count as change, either. (Even without using string to arrange the chairs.)
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Therein lies the problem, cmon...everyone know you HAVE to use string to arrange the chairs! I mean those few minutes before Big Bertha sits in the front row and demolishes half a row of perfectly straight chairs is nirvana...
I have NEVER been anywhere or seen anyone else string chairs outside the way international. I recently setup a banquet room for a funeral Repass. Didnt string one table or chair and it looked oh so great and I wasnt the least bit disturbed when Big Bertha took out half a table when she sat down...lol
They have my new address because I ordered from the bookstore recently. Im still waiting on my post card. They know exactly who I am...lol...guess I was marked and avoided for my GSC activities....Guess I shouldnt wait by the mailbox too long.
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I love the picture !!!!
And in other news…
Though it was Martin Luther King Jr. Day, and the mail was being held in abeyance,
longstanding grads (some had to be propped up) patiently await the arrival of mail from HQ.
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I love this choice of words in relation to the pic my wife recently took of me waiting by the mailbox I posted...
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Yes we would consider doubling down on no research and the 1942 promise and redoing PFAL while marking and avoiding your peers who had viable changes suggested as rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
No substantive change in any sense. Same structure same whitewashing same denials same false statement of beliefs to draw in unsuspecting Christians looking for a church.
Actually the change in evidence is in returning to VPWs work as opposed to discarding it and going in a new direction dictated by scripture. So the change they are enacting is in exactly the wrong direction. Because they are too blind to see the direction.
They aren’t able to do this because they have never changed the organization to support genuine Biblical research. The only type ever done is re-search assuming you have the 1942 promise as a given then constructing logic from there.
One more version of an old wineskin does not comprise change.
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So you don’t think they have specific flag fields in “the book of life” for the purpose of indicating the status of the person on the record?
You don’t think they maintain an active distinction in “status” between “inactive” and some form of “mark and avoid”?
I disagree and feel that what they call their record book and the status fields they enter in there absolutely define a cult. There’s a picture of an old computer interacting with the “book of life” as well as personal accounts of people interacting with it. It is a real thing that they hide from their followers to lessen the impact.
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Last I knew they used an AS400 mainframe for such matters.
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I think I indicated I spent time, often playing on The Book of Life, just looking up random people.
Other times I would receive angry calls at 2 am, look the person up, and see if they were M&A or something else. (Other times nut-jobs would show up on HQ grounds in person at all hours).
Yes they know if you are on the "naughty list" and other info. But I think Rocky was saying people move a lot and mailing addresses are hard to maintain over decades at times. I don't know that The Book of Life was connected to the internet or anything. Just old technology with the green cursor box.
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