I was just curious as to what light was supposed to dawn in that teaching by selling your stuff and giving it to the way int.
A curious light begins to appear as dawn breaks slowly over the horizon. The light grows and grows until it appears brightly in the sky as
YOUR GULLIBILITY
What light through yonder mindset breaks?
A.Opening the fridge door, the little light comes – you see the fridge is empty – then it dawns on you that TWI forgot to pick up the fridge.
B.A week later as the sun rises – you wake up on the hardwood floor – you had used the PFAL book as a pillow – and a few opened Way Magazines as covers. With the morning sunlight now flooding the empty room (even the red drapes were gone) you begin reviewing the PFAL book. Then it dawns on you – you shouldn’t have been so quick to send in your abundant sharing before paying the electric bill.
C.That evening roused from a weird dream of attending PFAL ’77 for 10 years straight - you see bright headlights pull up in the driveway. Who could that be? Then it dawns on you – tonight you’re supposed to host a public ex for the new PFAL Today class.
D.After awkwardly explaining on the fly to everyone there was a mix-up of your order at the Rooms-To-Go Outlet and coincidentally for some inexplicable reason there is an isolated power outage at your home – they all left - except for the new branch coordinator. Having the uncanny sense to realize your misfortune, he offers to move into your home and bless you with a lot of corps notes and select Advanced Class memorabilia. Then it dawns on you - maybe it’s a sign you should give him the house so you could go Way Ambassador.
Can someone please tell me what great truth I was supposed to find hidden in all that drivel?
If your god won't give you revelation not to lose the hunting knife Eldo purchased for you last year, don't worry (beleevers don't worry), Eldo will bring you another one. Eldo is a good little fish. He doesn't even care if you remember where he works. It doesn't matter that you care about him. It only matters that he beleeves your bull$hit and gives you cash... and hunting knives that you can't seem to beleeve big enough for to keep up with.
Bless your little hearts. I wish you could invent it... um, ha, ha..,. Oh, boy...READ it in the original. That's riiight.
Okay, I read more of the bl00dy transcript. And what it reads like, to me, is a list of the people he plagiarised. And the women he bonked in the early stages of his "ministry."
(Am feeling a bit jaded and cynical this morning.)
"I remember one meeting of the Evangelical and Reformed ministers in the early days of my ministry. This is about six--seven months after I was in the ministry. I was asked to speak to this group, meeting up North. And I spoke to them what I believed was the truth of God's Word, and that is that "The least a Christian could do was to tithe." And being a young minister in the church, those ministers almost laughed me out of the meeting. They said, "Well, Wierwille, are you that stupid that you think that we, as Christian ministers, should still tithe?" And I said, "Yes, don't you?" And they said, "No, we don't tithe." One minister in that whole group tithed--and Anna Shwere you'd know who it was if I named him. He was in that meeting--only one, and he said--he said, "Well, I've tithed ever since I've been a Christian." But all the rest of 'em said, "No, we don't give our tithes." And that shook me, it hurt me, because I thought, certainly the ministers, if they were going to head up the congregation would do as much or more than they would ask their people to do. That was shock number one, and it was a dandy--it didn't leave me--it left me numb and never got me back to my senses for about four weeks, I just couldn't imagine. "
There goes the "all other ministers are incompetent and insincere" thing. Supposedly, a roomful of ministers, and only ONE tithed, and the others said it was STUPID to think they would tithe.
Sorry, I think this is one of those examples of something vpw did quite a bit called a bald-faced lie. I don't think this meeting ever happened, and those insincere ministers never existed. But this made-up story is an excuse for vpw to leave his denomination and claim he "had it" and they did not.
This is a near perfect encapsulation of victor's lies and bull$hit and obfuscation and blame-shifting and guilt-tripping and fecal evacuation into the mouth of God. Hearing this paragraph of word salad hypnotically preached, one may miss all the nuanced error and manipulation. But to READ it... the seeded error just LEAPS off the page!
Is tithing the LEAST a Christian could do?? Really? Is it? Is this written in the Bible? Or does one need to WORK the words of the Bible to make them fit this opinion?
THEN the question very quickly shifts to the least a Christian MINISTER could do. It's all a straw man tactic to then condemn the other ministers as incorrect, while victor alone with one other is righteous.
And THEN, again, he shifts to the poor me victim, so hurt and shocked that these other ministers wouldn't accept his carnal opinion. Look at how pious victor is! Never does he "work" the words of the Bible to prove his asserted claim.
This paragraph is truly a textbook example of how (H-O-W) victor spews error and subtle, nuanced, serpentine deception and obfuscation.
Edited by Nathan_Jr How (H-O-W) wrong was wierwille? Turns out he was dead wrong.
This paragraph is truly a textbook example of how (H-O-W) victor spews error and subtle, nuanced, serpentine deception and obfuscation.
Its all that and worse. Christians are under no obligation to tithe. We aren't under the law and the tithe was to take care of the Levites who took care of the temple. The Levites were to do the tithe of tithes oe heave offerings where they would tithe off of the tithes they received to cover the high priest. That's all done away with. Christians are told to give as they purpose in their hearts to do so and to be cheerful about it as well, because God loves a cheerful giver. Mr. Biblical Research should have known better.
Its all that and worse. Christians are under no obligation to tithe. We aren't under the law and the tithe was to take care of the Levites who took care of the temple. The Levites were to do the tithe of tithes oe heave offerings where they would tithe off of the tithes they received to cover the high priest. That's all done away with. Christians are told to give as they purpose in their hearts to do so and to be cheerful about it as well, because God loves a cheerful giver. Mr. Biblical Research should have known better.
Right! This has been discussed many times here. (The second time established it.) He might have known better, BUT like so much of his mouth vomit, it was all about manipulation, not about accuracy. Victor wanted to git money. Git that money, vic!
God doesn't need nor want your money for anything. Giving money to a man made corporation set up by victor proves NOTHING to God or anyone, except that you got hooked like a fish. It can happen to anyone, because the thief is skilled.
Having the awareness to see that it happened to you is real growth. No longer being deceived by such a hireling is real spiritual maturity.
"On November 21, 22, and 23 in the city of Ujjain, Dr. Wierwille addressed a three-day annual convention of the Terapanthi Jains, knownas the Anuverat Movement. Dr. Wierwille was the first Christian ever to be invited to address this body. The Jains are a sect of Hindus and their leader was Acharaya Shri Tulsi, who spent much time in private telling us about the whole movement and asking questions of us. Dr. Wierwille remarked, 'I can say that the Acharaya is doing much for the building up of the moral and ethical structure of the Indian peoples.'"
No....I don't doubt that wierwille addressed this convention....BUT all evidence show that Dr. I.S. Williams was the prominent Christian man in this Hindu meeting and translated for wierwille. From what I see, wierwille got to preach for 15-20 minutes.....and that was it. The Jain convention lasted for 3 days......kinda like wierwille getting to speak at the "ROA Family Tables" as a sideshow to a much larger event. BIG DEAL..........hahahahahaha
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From "Ash Heap of TWI-story":
"The Terapanth Jains is a sub-sect movement of the two major sects in Jainism, Svetambara and Digambara. When wierwille
claimed to be "the first-ever christian to address the Jain Convention".....what that meant was Dr. Williams ushered vpw
in as a guest speaker to address a splinter group of the Svetambara sect of Jainism in Ujjain, India.
Not Bombay.....not Delhi.....not Calcutta.......not Jabalpur.
Ujjain, India which today has a population of some 515,000 --- Click Here
For those who might want to see the graphic outline of Jainism and its sects,
[from Wikipedia] the following link is provided. Scroll down to #10 Denominations -- Click Here - Jainism
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From "Planting a cult one weed at a time",
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"The haughtiness of wierwille's narcissism wreaks thru even this sanitized edition of wierwille's legacy.
But there is no mistaking that wierwille stole B.G.'s class outright and ran it as his own........and then, plagiarized from other men's works to add filler and pass it off as his own research (cough, cough). When the timeline is followed........there was NO WAY wierwille had any inkling of a "twi" or class-based system when he barged into Leonard's class in Calgary, Alberta. Again, arrogance and narcissism. Even the pictures in Mrs. W's book.........show that wierwille was a nobody, a back-bencher around other men of the cloth.
And, Dr. Williams the president of the All-India Federation of National Churches AND pastor of the St. Paul's Hindustani Church in Byculla, Bombay AND strict devotee of Indian history........was host to the wierwilles during that India itinerary. Dr. Williams is the one who opened ALL THE DOORS and gave vpw access into the Jain Convention, where this western Christian (wierwille) was granted a 20-30 minute teaching in a week long festival. Yawn. How many of them would even remember his name? How many of them took this as an opportunity to go use the restroom? Dr. Williams translated for vpw. Wanna bet that out of respect for Dr. Williams the American got to even speak at all?"
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From "A couple of questions about VPW"
"Then.....12 years later (1956)......wierwille, wife and kids, go on that India itinerary. Wierwille's narcissism is writing checks that his ministry (cough, cough) couldn't cash. Through contacts with Bishop K.C. Pillai.....a Dr. I. S. Williams becomes their host upon arrival. Interestingly, Mrs. Wierwille's book references this man as "Dr. J. S. Williams (perhaps, the scribbled notes at the time were the reason for this mistake....or something else?). Dr. Williams was a prominent and distinguished man. Dr. I. S. Williams was president of the All-India Federation of Churches and pastor of the St. Paul's Hindustani Church in Byculla, Bombay and devotee of Indian history.....and more.
Wierwille, in his narcissistic realm, embellishes this huge storyline in pfal of his India experience. Yet, truth be told......it was Dr. I. S. Williams that was well-respected and highly prominent to religious and political officeholders.....and therefore, doors DID OPEN because Williams was the man that opened them. Not wierwille. And, all that bloviating in pfal of teaching the Word of God at the Jain Convention......when in reality, wierwille spoke for about 20-30 minutes (translated by Williams) in a week-long convention. "
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Interesting background information on Bishop K.C. Pillai ...... from Mrs. Wierwille's book.
"Bishop Pillai had made arrangements with Dr. Williams to be our host in India. There couldn't have been a better person for this assignment. It was definitely God's providence that we should be making our missionary teaching tour at a time when Dr. Williams could be our host." [p. 125]
"During the years prior to India's independence in 1948, many of the Indian revolutionaries were imprisoned for trying to oust the British. During those times, Dr. Williams contributed to the independence movement by personally carrying communications to and from these patriots. He was trusted to take correspondence and messages to those who would later become the highest political leaders in the Indian government, men such as Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru, Vice President Dr. Radha Krishna, and Mohandas Karamchand Gandhi, the father of India." [p. 126]
"Because of Dr. Williams's contacts and credibility, it was possible for Dr. Wierwille to meet personally, if he so desired, with the current president and any of the cabinet members in India's government and many governors of provinces." [p. 126]
Note: emphasis added to Mrs. Wierwille's quotes.
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So.....Bishop Pillai had personal communications and access to Dr. Williams and requested that Dr. Williams host the Wierwille family during the travels throughout India.
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Now....background on Pillai. Page 96
Exact quotes from her book. Look at Dorothy's statements in second paragraph......LOL
"In the summer of 1953 Dr. Wierwille's brother Harry went to Tennessee to visit a Christian children's camp called the 'Tennessee Mountain Mission,' which he was financially supporting. While there, Harry decided one evening to attend a nearby Baptist church in Chattanooga, where an Anglican bishop from India was scheduled to speak. This speaker was Bishop K. C. Pillai. After hearing Bishop Pillai that evening, Harry called Dr. Wierwille and enthusiastically told him of the teaching and asked Dr. Wierwille if he should bring him to Van Wert since 'the Bishop,' as we called him, had a couple of days open before his next engagement. Doctor responded, 'If he's that good, you better bring him here!' Hastily we scheduled a few meetings, and Dr. Wierwille set aside personal time to spend with the Bishop."
"It is no secret that Dr. Wierwille was always in search of greater knowledge and understanding of God's Word. He felt there was so much more to know than he knew. One reason he had inadequate knowledge of the Bible was that he had in his formal education studied theological and other writings instead of having focused on the Bible itself. So he was forever continuing his quest to see God's Word, rightly-divided."
Hence.......vpw was always plagiarizing from others to present himself as someone he was not.
"That if I would study the Word, He would teach me the Word like He had not been able to teach it to anybody since the first generation." And of course at that time I thought, "Now that's a dandy!"
That's probably one of the reasons that particular phrasing was phased out. vpw kept changing the way his alleged "1942 promise" was phrased when he supposedly was told something by God Almighty. It's like he had to try out different versions until he found one he liked enough to keep.
Yes, he claimed that God Almighty had been unable to teach ANY Christian anywhere in the WORLD for about 2000 years at that level, and was waiting for this alcoholic rapist to finally come along. Despite having been an impious youth and a poor worker, and being bad-tempered, addicted to tobacco and alcohol, and prone to sexually exploiting women and making opportunities to do so, vpw supposedly was THE man who God Almighty could connect with. There was no other, better-suited Christian ready to step up in all the world in all those centuries.
For almost everybody, this is hard to swallow. For a tiny handful of people, the response is "Yes, of course."
Okay, I read more of the bl00dy transcript. And what it reads like, to me, is a list of the people he plagiarised. And the women he bonked in the early stages of his "ministry."
(Am feeling a bit jaded and cynical this morning.)
I don't know about the other women. The reason it sounds so specifically like that with his account of RR is because he DID boink RR. He spoke around it here, but the language was so idiosyncratic that I figured out that's what he was trying not to admit. Months later, someone who knew posted confirmation that vpw had, indeed, boinked RR.
After the 1st century God was not able to get “the Word” out until wierwille came along.
God is not able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think unless we believe He can.
God is not able to count up to 4 or He would have had it clearly written that there were 4 crucified with His Son.
God is not able to make a rock He cannot lift until His needs and wants are parallel and when His willingness equals His ability.
God is not able to save someone until He knows what to do with them after He saves them.
God is not able to spit in your direction until the cult-leader gets paid.
God is not able to do as He full well pleases until He loves Himself and loves His neighbor (Jesus Christ and/or the Holy Spirit ) as He loves Himself.
God is not able to give anything but what He is - God.
God is not able to speak to anyone but God.
God is not able to get big and fat spiritually until He speaks in tongues a lot!
God is not able until wierwille says He’s able.
God is not Abel - he be dead longtime.
Edited by T-Bone Can you believe it I missspellledd Abel or is it Able?
That's probably one of the reasons that particular phrasing was phased out. vpw kept changing the way his alleged "1942 promise" was phrased when he supposedly was told something by God Almighty. It's like he had to try out different versions until he found one he liked enough to keep.
Yes, he claimed that God Almighty had been unable to teach ANY Christian anywhere in the WORLD for about 2000 years at that level, and was waiting for this alcoholic rapist to finally come along. Despite having been an impious youth and a poor worker, and being bad-tempered, addicted to tobacco and alcohol, and prone to sexually exploiting women and making opportunities to do so, vpw supposedly was THE man who God Almighty could connect with. There was no other, better-suited Christian ready to step up in all the world in all those centuries.
For almost everybody, this is hard to swallow. For a tiny handful of people, the response is "Yes, of course."
Because that tiny handful of people are/were blinded by the light. Or blinded somehow anyway. This takes me back to Dacher Keltner's 2016 book, The Power Paradox. Wierwille is vividly and easily recognized in the four power principles Keltner together says are all about abuse of power.
I don't know about the other women. The reason it sounds so specifically like that with his account of RR is because he DID boink RR. He spoke around it here, but the language was so idiosyncratic that I figured out that's what he was trying not to admit. Months later, someone who knew posted confirmation that vpw had, indeed, boinked RR.
I didn't know but had stong suspiscions from reading that goofy transcript. Yes Mike, I read the thing in it's entirety - even stopped to disect some of the statements which is when that statement about Rinker was screaming at me. I can't help but think it was creepy when he said they went to the Church to pray after everyone else had gone to bed and the everyone else in this case was his wife and kids.
It makes me wonder if this was common knowledge back then and the people he was payin lipservice to where his inner circle at the time. Martindale had that inner circle thing going too - his inner clique that would pimp for him and arrange situations for his affairs. Somehow I tend to think that wierwille came up with the method and Martindale simply put his methods into play and likely improved upon them a bit.
When I was in rez, LCM commented one time (lunch time "sharing"?) that he sometimes walked the corridors in Founders Hall, praying for the people there. I'm very much a night owl and there were a couple of quiet but public places I'd go and sit and read or study or write letters. I always hoped I'd see this great "man of God" and be able to speak with him on his perambulations. But I never saw him, was a bit disappointed. I wondered if perhaps he roamed some of the other corridors.
Once I learned of his abuse of females (graduated corps, not in rez Corps). then it made sense.
I'm guessing he was visiting some female(s) in the other parts of Founders Hall. And his comment was to cover himself if anybody saw him in the Hall at some strange hour of night, when he might be expected to be in that fancy wooden house. And his comment about praying was, I began to assume, misunderstood. He was walking about PREYING on people, not praying for them.
Ok I went and read through a good portion of the linked thread and now I’m tired lol
The main topics are detail around the origin of the 42 promise, RR, and the origin story of TWI.
Good commentary by C and R and many other old posters. I contributed detail also about VP doctorate degree.
You know I still am not 100% sure whether or not mike is a genuine person entity or a persona of a leader. But in the end it does not matter either way.
The gist of the view is that the 42 promise showed VP to be a “divine assimilator” by revelation from God and as such plagiarism does not matter as that is man’s law.
That would also be the common Twi follower viewpoint.
That view provides consistency and whitewash so is a comfortable space for people to exist. And many are there and will never leave.
Is it the truth?
Well the interesting part is HOW and WHO he credits. He talks about many whose pictures are in Founders room E Stanley Clarke, Rufus Mosley.
Yet BG Leonard and JE Stiles are notably missing? Why? Because those he stole from mostest were ghosted most? Why American Christian Press? $$ savings, direct publishing without 3rd party editor requirement.
You can repeat a lie so many times that people become comfortable with it and accept it as an axiomatic truth.
A.Opening the fridge door, the little light comes – you see the fridge is empty – then it dawns on you that TWI forgot to pick up the fridge.
B.A week later as the sun rises – you wake up on the hardwood floor – you had used the PFAL book as a pillow – and a few opened Way Magazines as covers. With the morning sunlight now flooding the empty room (even the red drapes were gone) you begin reviewing the PFAL book. Then it dawns on you – you shouldn’t have been so quick to send in your abundant sharing before paying the electric bill.
C.That evening roused from a weird dream of attending PFAL ’77 for 10 years straight - you see bright headlights pull up in the driveway. Who could that be? Then it dawns on you – tonight you’re supposed to host a public ex for the new PFAL Today class.
D.After awkwardly explaining on the fly to everyone there was a mix-up of your order at the Rooms-To-Go Outlet and coincidentally for some inexplicable reason there is an isolated power outage at your home – they all left - except for the new branch coordinator. Having the uncanny sense to realize your misfortune, he offers to move into your home and bless you with a lot of corps notes and select Advanced Class memorabilia. Then it dawns on you - maybe it’s a sign you should give him the house so you could go Way Ambassador.
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I was just curious as to what light was supposed to dawn in that teaching by selling your stuff and giving it to the way int.
A curious light begins to appear as dawn breaks slowly over the horizon. The light grows and grows until it appears brightly in the sky as
YOUR GULLIBILITY
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What light through yonder mindset breaks?
A. Opening the fridge door, the little light comes – you see the fridge is empty – then it dawns on you that TWI forgot to pick up the fridge.
B. A week later as the sun rises – you wake up on the hardwood floor – you had used the PFAL book as a pillow – and a few opened Way Magazines as covers. With the morning sunlight now flooding the empty room (even the red drapes were gone) you begin reviewing the PFAL book. Then it dawns on you – you shouldn’t have been so quick to send in your abundant sharing before paying the electric bill.
C. That evening roused from a weird dream of attending PFAL ’77 for 10 years straight - you see bright headlights pull up in the driveway. Who could that be? Then it dawns on you – tonight you’re supposed to host a public ex for the new PFAL Today class.
D. After awkwardly explaining on the fly to everyone there was a mix-up of your order at the Rooms-To-Go Outlet and coincidentally for some inexplicable reason there is an isolated power outage at your home – they all left - except for the new branch coordinator. Having the uncanny sense to realize your misfortune, he offers to move into your home and bless you with a lot of corps notes and select Advanced Class memorabilia. Then it dawns on you - maybe it’s a sign you should give him the house so you could go Way Ambassador.
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Can someone please tell me what great truth I was supposed to find hidden in all that drivel?
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You have to arrange the proper anagram.
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If your god won't give you revelation not to lose the hunting knife Eldo purchased for you last year, don't worry (beleevers don't worry), Eldo will bring you another one. Eldo is a good little fish. He doesn't even care if you remember where he works. It doesn't matter that you care about him. It only matters that he beleeves your bull$hit and gives you cash... and hunting knives that you can't seem to beleeve big enough for to keep up with.
Bless your little hearts. I wish you could invent it... um, ha, ha..,. Oh, boy...READ it in the original. That's riiight.
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Okay, I read more of the bl00dy transcript. And what it reads like, to me, is a list of the people he plagiarised. And the women he bonked in the early stages of his "ministry."
(Am feeling a bit jaded and cynical this morning.)
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Can anyone provide a link to the online repository or shared drive containing these SNS/SNT transcripts?
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This is a near perfect encapsulation of victor's lies and bull$hit and obfuscation and blame-shifting and guilt-tripping and fecal evacuation into the mouth of God. Hearing this paragraph of word salad hypnotically preached, one may miss all the nuanced error and manipulation. But to READ it... the seeded error just LEAPS off the page!
Is tithing the LEAST a Christian could do?? Really? Is it? Is this written in the Bible? Or does one need to WORK the words of the Bible to make them fit this opinion?
THEN the question very quickly shifts to the least a Christian MINISTER could do. It's all a straw man tactic to then condemn the other ministers as incorrect, while victor alone with one other is righteous.
And THEN, again, he shifts to the poor me victim, so hurt and shocked that these other ministers wouldn't accept his carnal opinion. Look at how pious victor is! Never does he "work" the words of the Bible to prove his asserted claim.
This paragraph is truly a textbook example of how (H-O-W) victor spews error and subtle, nuanced, serpentine deception and obfuscation.
Edited by Nathan_JrHow (H-O-W) wrong was wierwille? Turns out he was dead wrong.
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Its all that and worse. Christians are under no obligation to tithe. We aren't under the law and the tithe was to take care of the Levites who took care of the temple. The Levites were to do the tithe of tithes oe heave offerings where they would tithe off of the tithes they received to cover the high priest. That's all done away with. Christians are told to give as they purpose in their hearts to do so and to be cheerful about it as well, because God loves a cheerful giver. Mr. Biblical Research should have known better.
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Right! This has been discussed many times here. (The second time established it.) He might have known better, BUT like so much of his mouth vomit, it was all about manipulation, not about accuracy. Victor wanted to git money. Git that money, vic!
God doesn't need nor want your money for anything. Giving money to a man made corporation set up by victor proves NOTHING to God or anyone, except that you got hooked like a fish. It can happen to anyone, because the thief is skilled.
Having the awareness to see that it happened to you is real growth. No longer being deceived by such a hireling is real spiritual maturity.
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Interesting background information on Bishop K.C. Pillai ...... from Mrs. Wierwille's book.
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So.....Bishop Pillai had personal communications and access to Dr. Williams and requested that Dr. Williams host the Wierwille family during the travels throughout India.
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Now....background on Pillai. Page 96
Exact quotes from her book. Look at Dorothy's statements in second paragraph......LOL
"In the summer of 1953 Dr. Wierwille's brother Harry went to Tennessee to visit a Christian children's camp called the 'Tennessee Mountain Mission,' which he was financially supporting. While there, Harry decided one evening to attend a nearby Baptist church in Chattanooga, where an Anglican bishop from India was scheduled to speak. This speaker was Bishop K. C. Pillai. After hearing Bishop Pillai that evening, Harry called Dr. Wierwille and enthusiastically told him of the teaching and asked Dr. Wierwille if he should bring him to Van Wert since 'the Bishop,' as we called him, had a couple of days open before his next engagement. Doctor responded, 'If he's that good, you better bring him here!' Hastily we scheduled a few meetings, and Dr. Wierwille set aside personal time to spend with the Bishop."
"It is no secret that Dr. Wierwille was always in search of greater knowledge and understanding of God's Word. He felt there was so much more to know than he knew. One reason he had inadequate knowledge of the Bible was that he had in his formal education studied theological and other writings instead of having focused on the Bible itself. So he was forever continuing his quest to see God's Word, rightly-divided."
Hence.......vpw was always plagiarizing from others to present himself as someone he was not.
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What else is God not able to do?
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That's probably one of the reasons that particular phrasing was phased out. vpw kept changing the way his alleged "1942 promise" was phrased when he supposedly was told something by God Almighty. It's like he had to try out different versions until he found one he liked enough to keep.
Yes, he claimed that God Almighty had been unable to teach ANY Christian anywhere in the WORLD for about 2000 years at that level, and was waiting for this alcoholic rapist to finally come along. Despite having been an impious youth and a poor worker, and being bad-tempered, addicted to tobacco and alcohol, and prone to sexually exploiting women and making opportunities to do so, vpw supposedly was THE man who God Almighty could connect with. There was no other, better-suited Christian ready to step up in all the world in all those centuries.
For almost everybody, this is hard to swallow. For a tiny handful of people, the response is "Yes, of course."
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I don't know about the other women. The reason it sounds so specifically like that with his account of RR is because he DID boink RR. He spoke around it here, but the language was so idiosyncratic that I figured out that's what he was trying not to admit. Months later, someone who knew posted confirmation that vpw had, indeed, boinked RR.
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Nathan_Jr
...could make fit like a hand...
Edited by Nathan_Jr...in a glove
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T-Bone
After the 1st century God was not able to get “the Word” out until wierwille came along.
God is not able to do exceedingly abundantly above all that we ask or think unless we believe He can.
God is not able to count up to 4 or He would have had it clearly written that there were 4 crucified with His Son.
God is not able to make a rock He cannot lift until His needs and wants are parallel and when His willingness equals His ability.
God is not able to save someone until He knows what to do with them after He saves them.
God is not able to spit in your direction until the cult-leader gets paid.
God is not able to do as He full well pleases until He loves Himself and loves His neighbor (Jesus Christ and/or the Holy Spirit ) as He loves Himself.
God is not able to give anything but what He is - God.
God is not able to speak to anyone but God.
God is not able to get big and fat spiritually until He speaks in tongues a lot!
God is not able until wierwille says He’s able.
God is not Abel - he be dead longtime.
Edited by T-BoneCan you believe it I missspellledd Abel or is it Able?
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Rocky
Because that tiny handful of people are/were blinded by the light. Or blinded somehow anyway. This takes me back to Dacher Keltner's 2016 book, The Power Paradox. Wierwille is vividly and easily recognized in the four power principles Keltner together says are all about abuse of power.
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OldSkool
I didn't know but had stong suspiscions from reading that goofy transcript. Yes Mike, I read the thing in it's entirety - even stopped to disect some of the statements which is when that statement about Rinker was screaming at me. I can't help but think it was creepy when he said they went to the Church to pray after everyone else had gone to bed and the everyone else in this case was his wife and kids.
It makes me wonder if this was common knowledge back then and the people he was payin lipservice to where his inner circle at the time. Martindale had that inner circle thing going too - his inner clique that would pimp for him and arrange situations for his affairs. Somehow I tend to think that wierwille came up with the method and Martindale simply put his methods into play and likely improved upon them a bit.
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Twinky
When I was in rez, LCM commented one time (lunch time "sharing"?) that he sometimes walked the corridors in Founders Hall, praying for the people there. I'm very much a night owl and there were a couple of quiet but public places I'd go and sit and read or study or write letters. I always hoped I'd see this great "man of God" and be able to speak with him on his perambulations. But I never saw him, was a bit disappointed. I wondered if perhaps he roamed some of the other corridors.
Once I learned of his abuse of females (graduated corps, not in rez Corps). then it made sense.
I'm guessing he was visiting some female(s) in the other parts of Founders Hall. And his comment was to cover himself if anybody saw him in the Hall at some strange hour of night, when he might be expected to be in that fancy wooden house. And his comment about praying was, I began to assume, misunderstood. He was walking about PREYING on people, not praying for them.
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chockfull
Ok I went and read through a good portion of the linked thread and now I’m tired lol
The main topics are detail around the origin of the 42 promise, RR, and the origin story of TWI.
Good commentary by C and R and many other old posters. I contributed detail also about VP doctorate degree.
You know I still am not 100% sure whether or not mike is a genuine person entity or a persona of a leader. But in the end it does not matter either way.
The gist of the view is that the 42 promise showed VP to be a “divine assimilator” by revelation from God and as such plagiarism does not matter as that is man’s law.
That would also be the common Twi follower viewpoint.
That view provides consistency and whitewash so is a comfortable space for people to exist. And many are there and will never leave.
Is it the truth?
Well the interesting part is HOW and WHO he credits. He talks about many whose pictures are in Founders room E Stanley Clarke, Rufus Mosley.
Yet BG Leonard and JE Stiles are notably missing? Why? Because those he stole from mostest were ghosted most? Why American Christian Press? $$ savings, direct publishing without 3rd party editor requirement.
You can repeat a lie so many times that people become comfortable with it and accept it as an axiomatic truth.
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chockfull
T Bone,
were you in my WOW family?
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waysider
If I recall correctly, there are posters who have met him in person.
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T-Bone
allow me to use the standard answer a question with a question tactic:
Hey Chockfull, wanna get blessed?
Wanna sponsor me in life?
okay - so that's 2 questions...that means it's established, right? wow wee wow now it's 3 questions to your 1...I win by triple play!
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