What Mike has done, and it's typical Mike, instead of dealing with the multitude of points that have already proven him wrong with his wierwillian ever shifting positions is duck-dodge-resurface later. It's his attempt to bury points he can't answer, then resurface later with lengthy word salad posts all so he can control and confuse content.
Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain,
‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart
but believes that what they say will happen,
it will be done for them.
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain,
‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’ and does not doubt in their heart
but believes that what they say will happen,
it will be done for them.
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
There is more to this law, such as asking accurately, according to God's will. Jesus taught other details to this law a few times, as did others, like James and Paul.
I read the first paragraph and noticed the conspicuous absence of any mention that the law only really works for promises of God.
This is a crucial bit of knowledge. Does the author bring it up later in the article?
The second epistle of Peter warns that people who get sloppy with the Epistles of Paul bring a lot of destruction upon themselves. The same holds with the law of believing. When the important details, like God's power and God's promises, are left out then people have lots of problems with the law of believing.
Another detail often left out is the "no doubt in your heart" part.
What about that guy who said he believed he'd be dead this time next year?
"Why, If I was a betting man..."
It seems to work a lot easier for bad outcomes than good ones. No S.I.T., renewing the mind, word studies, trudging to endless twig functions or any such things required. "Works for saint and sinner alike." "I saw unbelievers living a more abundant life than the believers."...Oh, right, something, something about rain falling.
What about that guy who said he believed he'd be dead this time next year?|
"Why, If I was a betting man..."
It seems to work a lot easier for bad outcomes than good ones. No S.I.T., renewing the mind, word studies, trudging to endless twig functions or any such things required. "Works for believers and unbelievers alike." "I saw unbelievers living a more abundant life than the believers."...Oh, right, something, something about rain falling.
Again it is the "no doubt" part that you are leaving out. You are stuck in the counterfeit "Law of Mental Assent." Believing in the heart with no doubt is different from having a positive attitude and positive thoughts.
I think genuine believing with action and with no doubt is a fairly rare thing.
Careful....if u keep asking rational questions Mikes gonna have to go clean some windows...or smash atoms...or troll Facebook groups ..or something...
I make many priority decisions each day. MUCH of what I want to do does not get done, but I just do my best.
You folks seem to think that my highest priority is getting your approval for my words, after I must prove them to you. I think you miss being a cult leader and want to tell me what my priorities are. Give it up. I will wash windows and pay attention to the topics that I think are most important and deserving of my time. Quit wining that I am not submitting to your Inquisitions. Grow up and pay attention to the issues.
I make many priority decisions each day. MUCH of what I want to do does not get done, but I just do my best.
You folks seem to think that my highest priority is getting your approval for my words, after I must prove them to you. I think you miss being a cult leader and want to tell me what my priorities are. Give it up. I will wash windows and pay attention to the topics that I think are most important and deserving of my time. Quit wining that I am not submitting to your Inquisitions. Grow up and pay attention to the issues.
Then carry on an honest discussion. At this point you can't deal with the material beyond saying that wierwille said it was so.
And that's your problem...as soon as it doesn't fit your world view you shut down...which is your problem...not mine.
As soon as I spot the lack of emphasis on the promises of God being central to the law of believing, I know something is wrong.
I just read a little more and noticed a few things. A doubling down on the idea that the law of believing is supposed to work for any desired results, bereft of any of God's promises or power.
I also noticed that the story is familiar, and I think the author is a poster here. If that is you, then I feel for your struggles. We all have them.
There are things in my life I have NEVER had my believing together on. I blame me, not the words I read from Jesus on believing, not the words in PFAL.
Some of the promises of God I have no trouble believing with all my heart; for some all I can do is mentally assent, and that's only on a good day. But I don't give up, and am always thankful for when I have seen the law of believing work well in my life.
Then carry on an honest discussion. At this point you can't deal with the material beyond saying that wierwille said it was so.
I always try my best to be honest in these discussions.
I do not try at all to conform to the initial postulates and attitudes that are adopted here as the basis for debate. I have a different set of ground rules for how I approach an apparent error in the PFAL collaterals. I simply refuse to start the debate at the point and with the rules and assumptions that you prefer.
You start every debate here with a certain bias. I have a very opposite bias. We come up with differing results. Then we bet our lives on what we come up with.
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OldSkool
First off, Biblically speaking, Christ has never been absent...that doctrine does not come close to occuring anywhere in the Bible. Yet the way international teaches the word of God takes the place of
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Mike's apparent anger toward Christ and emphasis on obedience . . . that's Wayworld . . . that's the annihilation of the individual
waysider
Soooo...He used ONE verse from the Amplified Bible, HALF a chapter from the New English Bible and required PFAL '77 students to get some version from the 1800's that has a name so unremarkable you can
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You have captured the essence of Way Theology. Well done.
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Awesome!! It only took 27 years....I'm a quick learner...
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What Mike has done, and it's typical Mike, instead of dealing with the multitude of points that have already proven him wrong with his wierwillian ever shifting positions is duck-dodge-resurface later. It's his attempt to bury points he can't answer, then resurface later with lengthy word salad posts all so he can control and confuse content.
Trollshonta malakas many.
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Mark 11:22- 24
Have faith in God, Jesus answered.
Truly I tell you, if anyone says to this mountain,
‘Go, throw yourself into the sea,’
and does not doubt in their heart
but believes that what they say will happen,
it will be done for them.
Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer,
believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.
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waysider
Is this figurative or literal?
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It is partial.
There is more to this law, such as asking accurately, according to God's will. Jesus taught other details to this law a few times, as did others, like James and Paul.
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OldSkool
So you take the mention of the lob to get off topic...ok then...
https://eyesupandopen.org/
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I read the first paragraph and noticed the conspicuous absence of any mention that the law only really works for promises of God.
This is a crucial bit of knowledge. Does the author bring it up later in the article?
The second epistle of Peter warns that people who get sloppy with the Epistles of Paul bring a lot of destruction upon themselves. The same holds with the law of believing. When the important details, like God's power and God's promises, are left out then people have lots of problems with the law of believing.
Another detail often left out is the "no doubt in your heart" part.
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What about that guy who said he believed he'd be dead this time next year?
"Why, If I was a betting man..."
It seems to work a lot easier for bad outcomes than good ones. No S.I.T., renewing the mind, word studies, trudging to endless twig functions or any such things required. "Works for saint and sinner alike." "I saw unbelievers living a more abundant life than the believers."...Oh, right, something, something about rain falling.
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Again it is the "no doubt" part that you are leaving out. You are stuck in the counterfeit "Law of Mental Assent." Believing in the heart with no doubt is different from having a positive attitude and positive thoughts.
I think genuine believing with action and with no doubt is a fairly rare thing.
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And that's your problem...as soon as it doesn't fit your world view you shut down...which is your problem...not mine.
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You realize you just contradicted yourself, right?
Was it God's will for the guy to be dead in a year or for the unbelievers to live a more abundant life than the believers?
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OldSkool
Go read it and quit being lazy. If wierwille was telling the truth it should hold up to scrutiny.
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Careful....if u keep asking rational questions Mikes gonna have to go clean some windows...or smash atoms...or troll Facebook groups ..or something...
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And what about the dude in India? You know the one that Saint Vic claimed he healed? The one that told Saint Vic "I don't believe in your Jesus."
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I make many priority decisions each day. MUCH of what I want to do does not get done, but I just do my best.
You folks seem to think that my highest priority is getting your approval for my words, after I must prove them to you. I think you miss being a cult leader and want to tell me what my priorities are. Give it up. I will wash windows and pay attention to the topics that I think are most important and deserving of my time. Quit wining that I am not submitting to your Inquisitions. Grow up and pay attention to the issues.
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Yes, God certainly is Good, isn't He!!!
I wonder what that man thought of our Jesus after he was healed.
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Then carry on an honest discussion. At this point you can't deal with the material beyond saying that wierwille said it was so.
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I doubt he even existed.
Who else did wierwille heal? Name one person.
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As soon as I spot the lack of emphasis on the promises of God being central to the law of believing, I know something is wrong.
I just read a little more and noticed a few things. A doubling down on the idea that the law of believing is supposed to work for any desired results, bereft of any of God's promises or power.
I also noticed that the story is familiar, and I think the author is a poster here. If that is you, then I feel for your struggles. We all have them.
There are things in my life I have NEVER had my believing together on. I blame me, not the words I read from Jesus on believing, not the words in PFAL.
Some of the promises of God I have no trouble believing with all my heart; for some all I can do is mentally assent, and that's only on a good day. But I don't give up, and am always thankful for when I have seen the law of believing work well in my life.
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But he didn't believe in Jesus, and therefore the promises of God, a direct contradiction to your claim.
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I always try my best to be honest in these discussions.
I do not try at all to conform to the initial postulates and attitudes that are adopted here as the basis for debate. I have a different set of ground rules for how I approach an apparent error in the PFAL collaterals. I simply refuse to start the debate at the point and with the rules and assumptions that you prefer.
You start every debate here with a certain bias. I have a very opposite bias. We come up with differing results. Then we bet our lives on what we come up with.
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OldSkool
You could have just quit reading with the title...
The Law of Believing is a Lie - Have faith in God!
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Mike
What's that "therefore" there for?
I don't buy it at all.
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