Not quite sure where I ever said the words "absent in his authority," because I did not.
And I never said the "absent Christ" is a term you will find in scripture. Neither is "second coming" or "return." The Biblical word to describe what happens in the future is "presence," and it's spoken of as a future event. Presence as a future hope implies absent as a current reality.
I was listening to someone, a Catholic, briefly discuss how there are words used to describe items discussed in the bible, like the trinity.
He was saying in this in context of how Protestants will point out how, for example, the word "trinity" is not in the Bible - When they talk to Catholics
By Protestants he may have meant fundamentalists, since I think Protestants use the word Trinity, but that was an example.
One of those dimensions mentioned in another thread.
Maybe. My fellowship commander used to point toward the ceiling (or sky) when talking about his Gawd or Jesus. I think he meant it literally as a spatial reference.
Mike said his Gawd requires binoculars to see his children. His Gawd is far away up there. Again, it's spatial. I think he means it literally, also.
Maybe. My fellowship commander used to point toward the ceiling (or sky) when talking about his Gawd or Jesus. I think he meant it literally as a spatial reference.
Mike said his Gawd requires binoculars to see his children. His Gawd is far away up there. Again, it's spatial. I think he means it literally, also.
I have a theory . . .
I think maybe The Bible is much older than The Way International. Maybe even older than George Washington.
Time is another dimension.
(I'm sure Mike is familiar with Einstein's Telescope . . . he'll figure it out)
Then again, in theatre, "going up" means forgetting your lines. And, as Shakespeare famously stated in As You Like It, "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players" (Act 2 scene 7)
So, my theory is that it's really a mystic, cryptic message that questions reality. (Most old theatre goers likely missed this point their first time around or have simply forgotten it.) I have a folder on it that I've been adding bits and pieces to since high school drama class. I have discussed it in intricate detail with seasoned thespians. I'm going to write a novel using the contents if I ever get the time. (Retirement is so time consuming.) I'll probably call it something like The DaWaynchi Code. Kind of a mystery, thriller, enigma type piece. Maybe I'll use a nom de plume to avoid personal controversy. Something like Butch Paisley. I'm not sure yet. I get a lot of private emails of encouragement.
Then again, in theatre, "going up" means forgetting your lines. And, as Shakespeare famously stated in As You Like It, "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players" (Act 2 scene 7)
So, my theory is that it's really a mystic, cryptic message that questions reality. (Most old theatre goers likely missed this point their first time around or have simply forgotten it.) I have a folder on it that I've been adding bits and pieces to since high school drama class. I have discussed it in intricate detail with seasoned thespians. I'm going to write a novel using the contents if I ever get the time. (Retirement is so time consuming.) I'll probably call it something like The DaWaynchi Code. Kind of a mystery, thriller, enigma type piece. Maybe I'll use a nom de plume to avoid personal controversy. Something like Butch Paisley. I'm not sure yet. I get a lot of private emails of encouragement.
So maybe by going UP, it was a way for Jesus to mike drop?
Then again, in theatre, "going up" means forgetting your lines. And, as Shakespeare famously stated in As You Like It, "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players" (Act 2 scene 7)
So, my theory is that it's really a mystic, cryptic message that questions reality. (Most old theatre goers likely missed this point their first time around or have simply forgotten it.) I have a folder on it that I've been adding bits and pieces to since high school drama class. I have discussed it in intricate detail with seasoned thespians. I'm going to write a novel using the contents if I ever get the time. (Retirement is so time consuming.) I'll probably call it something like The DaWaynchi Code. Kind of a mystery, thriller, enigma type piece. Maybe I'll use a nom de plume to avoid personal controversy. Something like Butch Paisley. I'm not sure yet. I get a lot of private emails of encouragement.
Up to heaven. Down from heaven. In the heavenlies. I think a full exploration of first century cosmology (which is to say, what people believed about the planet and the sky in first century Palestine) would be a fascinating thread. I think I'll do some research and post some thoughts in the Questioning Faith subforum. It's definitely off topic here (speaking as a poster, not a mod).
Up to heaven. Down from heaven. In the heavenlies. I think a full exploration of first century cosmology (which is to say, what people believed about the planet and the sky in first century Palestine) would be a fascinating thread. I think I'll do some research and post some thoughts in the Questioning Faith subforum. It's definitely off topic here (speaking as a poster, not a mod).
He also stood on a Hill, got high before getting high.
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First off, Biblically speaking, Christ has never been absent...that doctrine does not come close to occuring anywhere in the Bible. Yet the way international teaches the word of God takes the place of
Bolshevik
Mike's apparent anger toward Christ and emphasis on obedience . . . that's Wayworld . . . that's the annihilation of the individual
waysider
Soooo...He used ONE verse from the Amplified Bible, HALF a chapter from the New English Bible and required PFAL '77 students to get some version from the 1800's that has a name so unremarkable you can
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So Jesus is UP there?
But to someone in China's perspective, they'd have to look down? (Through the earth)
Does he move with earth's orbit to maintain UP relative to certain individuals? But not others?
Soooo many questions . . .
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Mmmm...strong the way speak is with this one.
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Not quite sure where I ever said the words "absent in his authority," because I did not.
And I never said the "absent Christ" is a term you will find in scripture. Neither is "second coming" or "return." The Biblical word to describe what happens in the future is "presence," and it's spoken of as a future event. Presence as a future hope implies absent as a current reality.
In any event.
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Yeah. "Up there." Always thought that was strange. But it fits with a flat earth model. If there is UP, there must be DOWN -- turtles all the way....
So, so, so many questions, indeed.
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I was listening to someone, a Catholic, briefly discuss how there are words used to describe items discussed in the bible, like the trinity.
He was saying in this in context of how Protestants will point out how, for example, the word "trinity" is not in the Bible - When they talk to Catholics
By Protestants he may have meant fundamentalists, since I think Protestants use the word Trinity, but that was an example.
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Right so UP must be psychologically.
One of those dimensions mentioned in another thread.
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I don't think "Literal" is descriptive enough to describe The Wayfer.
There's more than that . . . or less . . . really.
I need a better word.
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Maybe. My fellowship commander used to point toward the ceiling (or sky) when talking about his Gawd or Jesus. I think he meant it literally as a spatial reference.
Mike said his Gawd requires binoculars to see his children. His Gawd is far away up there. Again, it's spatial. I think he means it literally, also.
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I have a theory . . .
I think maybe The Bible is much older than The Way International. Maybe even older than George Washington.
Time is another dimension.
(I'm sure Mike is familiar with Einstein's Telescope . . . he'll figure it out)
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That's a bold theory. Radical, even.
Mike is an expert on gravitational waves. He has a folder full of notes and essays on Einstein. It's archived.
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I wonder who taught Einstein to beyond? Warped thinking sometimes works out. Unless it doesn't.
But taking notes is curious . . . for rote memory? Certainly not to find new patterns . . .
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OldSkool
He used to run an atom smasher too...
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He sure did! I almost forgot about that. Guess I didn't fully absorb it the first time.
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Then again, in theatre, "going up" means forgetting your lines. And, as Shakespeare famously stated in As You Like It, "All the world's a stage and all the men and women merely players" (Act 2 scene 7)
So, my theory is that it's really a mystic, cryptic message that questions reality. (Most old theatre goers likely missed this point their first time around or have simply forgotten it.) I have a folder on it that I've been adding bits and pieces to since high school drama class. I have discussed it in intricate detail with seasoned thespians. I'm going to write a novel using the contents if I ever get the time. (Retirement is so time consuming.) I'll probably call it something like The DaWaynchi Code. Kind of a mystery, thriller, enigma type piece. Maybe I'll use a nom de plume to avoid personal controversy. Something like Butch Paisley. I'm not sure yet. I get a lot of private emails of encouragement.
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Einstein used Brownian motion to prove the existence of the atom and predict behavior.
No fancy technology.
Confoundingly simple.
So simple you wonder why others didn't think of it first.
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So maybe by going UP, it was a way for Jesus to mike drop?
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waysider
*BOOM*
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Damn, you're good, Waysider. Perfect!
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Up to heaven. Down from heaven. In the heavenlies. I think a full exploration of first century cosmology (which is to say, what people believed about the planet and the sky in first century Palestine) would be a fascinating thread. I think I'll do some research and post some thoughts in the Questioning Faith subforum. It's definitely off topic here (speaking as a poster, not a mod).
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Right,
So Jesus left. Into clouds.
The Holy Spirt is here. Capital H. Capital S. To guide The Body? to the all truth?
Jesus is the truth.
Jesus is not here but the Holy Spirit is so there is a presence on earth. They and the Father are One.
So he's present.
It's the clouds that are most important here. That's where are focus is, that's where are heads need to be.
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He also stood on a Hill, got high before getting high.
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OldSkool
yeah...you need to take the class again...
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Never got a "thank you" for sitting through it the first time. I'll pass.
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