Method acting. That's what's being promoted as "Christ's eyes behind your eyes" type thinking. Where in the scriptures is it referenced that people should be method actors?
2 Cor 5:20 Contemporary English Version
We were sent to speak for Christ, and God is begging you to listen to our message. We speak for Christ and sincerely ask you to make peace with God.
Here is a larger section from that same version:
18 God has done it all! He sent Christ to make peace between himself and us, and he has given us the work of making peace between himself and others.
19 What we mean is that God was in Christ, offering peace and forgiveness to the people of this world. And he has given us the work of sharing his message about peace. 20 We were sent to speak for Christ, and God is begging you to listen to our message. We speak for Christ and sincerely ask you to make peace with God. 21
.*/*/*/*/*
The reason God made Jesus absent on the day of the Ascension was so that this responsibility of taking the stage FOR CHRIST while he is absent.
In theater world we would be called Christ's understudies.
un·der·stud·y
/ˈəndərˌstədē/
noun
plural noun: understudies
(in the theater) a person who learns another's role in order to be able to act as a replacement at short notice.
If you hold a perfect image and it doesn't work when tested in the real world...
...then you try again. Testing our power in the real world means helping people with their real problems. If we fail, we simply try again until we get it right.
The main ingredient to all this is love, so if we focus, not on ourselves, but on whom we minister, then God will be there to teach us, just like He taught young Jesus.
Interesting also the article points out that inspiration includes prophecy, music and art.
Ever seen the artwork from The Way? Bland. The music? zzzzzzzz
The Word taking the place of the Absent Christ is kinda like saying "Art takes the place of the Absent Christ"
"Literature takes the place of the Absent Christ"
From the comments:
Quote
The question isn’t whether all the books of our Bible are “God-breathed” or God’s infallible word but whether Protestant pastors and theologians have the divine authority to interpret the Scriptures in accordance with their fallible private judgments in support of their preconceived notions. Obviously, they don’t. The power to bind and loose was conferred on Peter and the Apostles who were united with him and through them was transferred to their valid successors in the divine office of the episcopacy. The New Testament provides the internal evidence for this theological fact while the unanimous writings of the Patristic Fathers provide the historical external evidence as early as the 1st century.
...then you try again. Testing our power in the real world means helping people with their real problems. If we fail, we simply try again until we get it right.
The main ingredient to all this is love, so if we focus, not on ourselves, but on whom we minister, then God will be there to teach us, just like He taught young Jesus.
Before jumping out to help others one should have their own house in order. I was referring to the perfect internal image one has of oneself as if Jesus. That is perfectionism. That erodes itself. That does not help others.
TVTs. Yeah, let's blame it all on verbal communications. If verbal communications weren't an integral part of The Way, why did we even need twig meetings? Just hand everybody a set of collaterals and send them on their way.
TVTs. Yeah, let's blame it all on verbal communications. If verbal communications weren't an integral part of The Way, why did we even need twig meetings? Just hand everybody a set of collaterals and send them on their way.
TVTs. Yeah, let's blame it all on verbal communications. If verbal communications weren't an integral part of The Way, why did we even need twig meetings? Just hand everybody a set of collaterals and send them on their way.
It was only the corrupted verbal traditions that were to blame.
Because they were verbal, it was difficult to nail errors as they arose.
Verbal traditions are good if they confom to the written Word.
It was only the corrupted verbal traditions that were to blame.
Because they were verbal, it was difficult to nail errors as they arose.
Verbal traditions are good if they confom to the written Word.
The United States of America has a written document called the Constitution.
There are whole bodies of people dedicated to deciding its interpretation. This has been going on with some continuity for 200 years. Plenty to discuss.
Scripture is thousands of years old. How is its proper interpretation decided? Do you see how conforming and restricting and suffocating this is?
WRONG!
We become Christ-like.
We are supposed to PLAY Christ on the stage of life.
Where did you get that "We become Christ..." garbage?
I hope you washed your hands.
Logical progression based on your choice of words. If it's Christ behind my Nikes and sport coat and I if I replace jesus Christ and if I am acting as though I am Christ then I am becoming a fake Jesus.
then you try again. Testing our power in the real world means helping people with their real problems. If we fail, we simply try again until we get it right.
Try what? Repeat the same tactics, methods and image building that resulted in failure the first time? Try again with more....grrrrrr!.... more ..... mmmmmph!....?
2 hours ago, Mike said:
The main ingredient to all this is love, so if we focus, not on ourselves, but on whom we minister, then God will be there to teach us, just like He taught young Jesus.
Is that what love is? Focusing on the image of another constructed by thought?
Scripture is thousands of years old. How is its proper interpretation decided? Do you see how conforming and restricting and suffocating this is?
NOT b y committees, that is for sure!
The ultimate details regarding OUR POWER and how to bless with it are impossible to pull out of the surviving manuscripts by 5-senses methods only. Matching wits with the obfuscating powers of the adversary is foolish and ignorant. The only way to get God's interpretation is via a direct intervention by The Author. This is why VPW prayed the day before the 1942 Promise for something FROM GOD that he "would never have to back up on." Like Solomon, he got more than he was asking for. God is generous. What is the most important thing God can do for you TODAY?
Scripture is thousands of years old. How is its proper interpretation decided? Do you see how conforming and restricting and suffocating this is?
I do not get this last sentence at all. Can you explain who suffocates and how here?
When it comes to coming up with an interpretation of a verse, I would WANT my attempt to be as conforming as possible, and severely restricted to what God wants that interpretation to be.
If God wants something to have more than one interpretation, I would expect Him to tell us.
However, multiple APPLICATIONS of a single interpretation may exist at times.
Logical progression based on your choice of words. If it's Christ behind my Nikes and sport coat and I if I replace jesus Christ and if I am acting as though I am Christ then I am becoming a fake Jesus.
A fake Jesus would be lacking in love.
An ambassador for Christ would be exhibiting the same love Jesus loved with.
Try what? Repeat the same tactics, methods and image building that resulted in failure the first time? Try again with more....grrrrrr!.... more ..... mmmmmph!....?
Is that what love is? Focusing on the image of another constructed by thought?
An ambassador is someone who functions as a representative, not as a duplicate.
We can only TRY to duplicate what Jesus did. Sometimes God will boost the results of our efforts and we can come closer.
Evidently, God thinks it's good enough in what we can accomplish while trying our best to serve in love like Jesus did. God simply wants the job to get done, so if we do our best, He can do the rest.
An ambassador DOES have duplicate authority over the devils and forces of corruption.
Recommended Posts
Top Posters In This Topic
427
271
423
257
Popular Days
Feb 14
142
Oct 13
105
Jan 18
101
Oct 8
88
Top Posters In This Topic
Mike 427 posts
T-Bone 271 posts
OldSkool 423 posts
Nathan_Jr 257 posts
Popular Days
Feb 14 2023
142 posts
Oct 13 2022
105 posts
Jan 18 2023
101 posts
Oct 8 2022
88 posts
Popular Posts
OldSkool
First off, Biblically speaking, Christ has never been absent...that doctrine does not come close to occuring anywhere in the Bible. Yet the way international teaches the word of God takes the place of
Bolshevik
Mike's apparent anger toward Christ and emphasis on obedience . . . that's Wayworld . . . that's the annihilation of the individual
waysider
Soooo...He used ONE verse from the Amplified Bible, HALF a chapter from the New English Bible and required PFAL '77 students to get some version from the 1800's that has a name so unremarkable you can
Posted Images
Mike
2 Cor 5:20 Contemporary English Version
We were sent to speak for Christ, and God is begging you to listen to our message. We speak for Christ and sincerely ask you to make peace with God.
Here is a larger section from that same version:
18 God has done it all! He sent Christ to make peace between himself and us, and he has given us the work of making peace between himself and others.
19 What we mean is that God was in Christ, offering peace and forgiveness to the people of this world. And he has given us the work of sharing his message about peace. 20 We were sent to speak for Christ, and God is begging you to listen to our message. We speak for Christ and sincerely ask you to make peace with God. 21
.*/*/*/*/*
The reason God made Jesus absent on the day of the Ascension was so that this responsibility of taking the stage FOR CHRIST while he is absent.
In theater world we would be called Christ's understudies.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
WRONG!
We become Christ-like.
We are supposed to PLAY Christ on the stage of life.
Where did you get that "We become Christ..." garbage?
I hope you washed your hands.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Apples and oranges, Mike.
An understudy is a person (noun), whereas, method acting is a process (verb).
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
...then you try again. Testing our power in the real world means helping people with their real problems. If we fail, we simply try again until we get it right.
The main ingredient to all this is love, so if we focus, not on ourselves, but on whom we minister, then God will be there to teach us, just like He taught young Jesus.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2 Timothy 3%3A16-17&version=ESV
Instead of perfect, complete is translated here.
https://apologeticessay.wordpress.com/2022/05/02/does-2-timothy-316-17-teaches-sola-scriptura/
Verse 16 is talking about The Old Testament.
Interesting also the article points out that inspiration includes prophecy, music and art.
Ever seen the artwork from The Way? Bland. The music? zzzzzzzz
The Word taking the place of the Absent Christ is kinda like saying "Art takes the place of the Absent Christ"
"Literature takes the place of the Absent Christ"
From the comments:
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
There were lots of errors like this TWI and those kinds of disciplinarian TVTs grew worse and worse in TWI-2. I am so glad I got out by 1988.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
Before jumping out to help others one should have their own house in order. I was referring to the perfect internal image one has of oneself as if Jesus. That is perfectionism. That erodes itself. That does not help others.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
TVTs were bred by bad ideas people accepted.
Stop pretending there was corruption. Things self destruct by design.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
TVTs. Yeah, let's blame it all on verbal communications. If verbal communications weren't an integral part of The Way, why did we even need twig meetings? Just hand everybody a set of collaterals and send them on their way.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
SOLA COLLATERALA!
*thumps chest*
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
It was only the corrupted verbal traditions that were to blame.
Because they were verbal, it was difficult to nail errors as they arose.
Verbal traditions are good if they confom to the written Word.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
waysider
Words Of Wisdom:
"Some stuff is good unless it's bad."
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
The United States of America has a written document called the Constitution.
There are whole bodies of people dedicated to deciding its interpretation. This has been going on with some continuity for 200 years. Plenty to discuss.
Scripture is thousands of years old. How is its proper interpretation decided? Do you see how conforming and restricting and suffocating this is?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
OldSkool
Logical progression based on your choice of words. If it's Christ behind my Nikes and sport coat and I if I replace jesus Christ and if I am acting as though I am Christ then I am becoming a fake Jesus.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
OldSkool
Ahhh..just like the pharisees and the oral traditions of men that Jesus Christ confronted on the gospels. Thanks for confirming that
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Nathan_Jr
Try what? Repeat the same tactics, methods and image building that resulted in failure the first time? Try again with more....grrrrrr!.... more ..... mmmmmph!....?
Is that what love is? Focusing on the image of another constructed by thought?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Nathan_Jr
That's not what I was "taught."
I was "taught" to spit on on cars with WWJD bumper stickers. I was taught to ridicule people wearing WWJD t-shirts.
I was taught this by someone who was throughly entrenched in and an expert of the collaterals.
Edited by Nathan_JrGloves
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Bolshevik
You're describing the narcissist's need to devalue and discard others.
Mike described how narcissists/borderlines see the world as a play, and you are simply there to fill a predetermined role.
(That's from a video by Vaknin)
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
NOT b y committees, that is for sure!
The ultimate details regarding OUR POWER and how to bless with it are impossible to pull out of the surviving manuscripts by 5-senses methods only. Matching wits with the obfuscating powers of the adversary is foolish and ignorant. The only way to get God's interpretation is via a direct intervention by The Author. This is why VPW prayed the day before the 1942 Promise for something FROM GOD that he "would never have to back up on." Like Solomon, he got more than he was asking for. God is generous. What is the most important thing God can do for you TODAY?
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
I do not get this last sentence at all. Can you explain who suffocates and how here?
When it comes to coming up with an interpretation of a verse, I would WANT my attempt to be as conforming as possible, and severely restricted to what God wants that interpretation to be.
If God wants something to have more than one interpretation, I would expect Him to tell us.
However, multiple APPLICATIONS of a single interpretation may exist at times.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
A fake Jesus would be lacking in love.
An ambassador for Christ would be exhibiting the same love Jesus loved with.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
Love is serving.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Mike
We can only TRY to duplicate what Jesus did. Sometimes God will boost the results of our efforts and we can come closer.
Evidently, God thinks it's good enough in what we can accomplish while trying our best to serve in love like Jesus did. God simply wants the job to get done, so if we do our best, He can do the rest.
An ambassador DOES have duplicate authority over the devils and forces of corruption.
Link to comment
Share on other sites
OldSkool
1 John 5:3
For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous
Link to comment
Share on other sites
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.