Kewl mahn! Btw, I dig "The Obstacle is the way." I never gave any thought to Stoic philosophy until this summer... then I read a book that made a lot of sense... titled, The Obstacle is the way (by Ryan Holiday). Cool book.
I think another I learned through this is that in the Way, a lot of the doctrine was taught as inward facing stuff, things I do as a lifestyle and some things I do with others. At the same time VPW would say things like “it’s just a walk kids, you just walk”. But unless we disconnected from the programmatic mechanical nature of the lifestyle (12 keys to this, 3 steps to that, memorize this, practice that) it was extremely difficult to “just do it”. I compare it to say, having a hammer. And I learn all about that hammer, get taught about hammers, the history of it, how it’s made, the different types, and practice holding and using it, and even go out and hammer some nails in someone’s else’s project. But then if I never got up one morning and grabbed it, some nails and went out to build something and used it with my drill and saw, I wouldn’t Use it anywhere near it’s full potential. That to me is what the Way Corps lifestyle became. As long as everything was connected back to VPW, The HQters, and the program it was valid. Stepping out of that or even producing work that USED “the principles” but didn’t lead back to VPW’s ministry was invalid. Tripped out. “Back 40 stuff”. That kept the sphere of endeavor very small. And it was nearly impossible to see that unless you broke away, which isn’t how it had to be. At all.
I got my hammer - and the life I build can now be with and through the faith of Him who loved me, and gave himself for me without extra attachments. It’s very direct and to the point - God through Jesus Christ can be glorified in me. Not “this ministry that was the only thing that could have reached you, and which you now owe your life to and is the only thing worth telling people”.
Point being - Stoicism is a philosophy of practical application, not only thought. The idea is "Be the changed you want to see". One of the Stoic writers put the thought forward in their day as "don't waste time arguing what a good man should be. Be one." And that's an idea that is very much the essence of Christian faith. If that's what a person would really like to do then "being" a new person with a "new life" in Christ is exactly where it goes. And that's where it resonates with me, rather than a new way of thinking or a system of tenets, it's a reflection of an attempt to encourage us to live thoughtfully and not solely for ourselves.
“Where did you get your training in what constitutes libel and how to avoid it, DWBH?
My most recent refresher session was in June.
Would you like the names and credentials of the attorneys who ran those sessions and whose job is to literally keep ME and my colleagues from printing information that might lead to defamation lawsuits?”
Edited Thursday at 01:29 PM by Raf
Would YOU like the names of the MA Police Cyber Division Atty. who instructed ALL we RNs at every hospital I’ve worked at here in MA, regarding the legal requirements upon our licenses, to report ANY act of SUSPECTED psychological or sexual abuse we witness ANYWHERE?? Would YOU like the credentials of the Lawyers, Nurses, and public servants who authored the MA State Nurse Practice Act which details these reporting REQUIREMENTS?? Would like the names and credentials of the physicians, lawyers, and politicians who defined the statutes making Cyberbullying/ sexual and psychological harrassment the CRIMES they are here??
I’m not a journalist. I am an ANCC Certified Registered Nurse. I provide professional healthcare delivery on the frontlines of these cases, and have for almost 30 years. I don’t give a crap about being politically correct enough to avoid sone THREAT of a lawsuit that will NEVER HAPPEN to me. I care about delivering the necessary and proper PROFESSIONAL healthcare to help the victims of abuse, not excuse their victimization by people on a website YOU or ANYONE “moderates” according to the editorial opinion of YOUR FL newspaper, and your layman’s understanding of whatever legal directives your bosses at the Sun Sentinel give you so THEY can avoid getting sued. I don’t work for your paper either.
Your unilateral and arbitrary censorship of my posts has nothing based in REALITY to do with “avoiding a lawsuit against the GSC”. It has EVERYTHING to do with YOUR personal biases and what you learned about libel and slander from some FL lawyer who was hired to keep your bosses and you outta court, NOT to tell you how to provide professional healthcare delivery to surviving victims of TWIt and offshoots’ spiritual, physical, and sexual abuse. Please tell us of ANY lawsuit, threatened or filed against the GSC because of ANYTHING I have posted here or at Waydale in the TWENTY YEARS I have been posting here. Enquiring minds want to know. Thank you.
“Where did you get your training in what constitutes libel and how to avoid it, DWBH?
My most recent refresher session was in June.
Would you like the names and credentials of the attorneys who ran those sessions and whose job is to literally keep ME and my colleagues from printing information that might lead to defamation lawsuits?”
Edited Thursday at 01:29 PM by Raf
Would YOU like the names of the MA Police Cyber Division Atty. who instructed ALL we RNs at every hospital I’ve worked at here in MA, regarding the legal requirements upon our licenses, to report ANY act of SUSPECTED psychological or sexual abuse we witness ANYWHERE?? Would YOU like the credentials of the Lawyers, Nurses, and public servants who authored the MA State Nurse Practice Act which details these reporting REQUIREMENTS?? Would like the names and credentials of the physicians, lawyers, and politicians who defined the statutes making Cyberbullying/ sexual and psychological harrassment the CRIMES they are here??
I’m not a journalist. I am an ANCC Certified Registered Nurse. I provide professional healthcare delivery on the frontlines of these cases, and have for almost 30 years. I don’t give a crap about being politically correct enough to avoid sone THREAT of a lawsuit that will NEVER HAPPEN to me. I care about delivering the necessary and proper PROFESSIONAL healthcare to help the victims of abuse, not excuse their victimization by people on a website YOU or ANYONE “moderates” according to the editorial opinion of YOUR FL newspaper, and your layman’s understanding of whatever legal directives your bosses at the Sun Sentinel give you so THEY can avoid getting sued. I don’t work for your paper either.
Your unilateral and arbitrary censorship of my posts has nothing based in REALITY to do with “avoiding a lawsuit against the GSC”. It has EVERYTHING to do with YOUR personal biases and what you learned about libel and slander from some FL lawyer who was hired to keep your bosses and you outta court, NOT to tell you how to provide professional healthcare delivery to surviving victims of TWIt and offshoots’ spiritual, physical, and sexual abuse. Please tell us of ANY lawsuit, threatened or filed against the GSC because of ANYTHING I have posted here or at Waydale in the TWENTY YEARS I have been posting here. Enquiring minds want to know. Thank you.
Just curious there, DWBH, how recent was your last training session in the legal field, and did any of that training refer to reading into other people's motives when you have no in person contact with the people? And are you engaged in delivering necessary and proper PROFESSIONAL healthcare to anyone by way of GSC? thank you.
And show them screen caps of the perfectly innocuous posts that made you lose your mind and accuse an innocent man of cyberstalking and abusive behavior.
If we're all lucky, oldiesman will be gracious snd not sue you for making false accusations and making him out to be a criminal.
You need to back off, DWHB.
You have been making false, unsubstantiated and inflammatory accusations for months now and we all love you so much no one wants to stand up to you. So by ALL MEANS, send my contact information to the cybercrimes division of skynet or whoever you think you're calling. I would be BEYOND HAPPY to talk to them.
Until then, follow the rules of GSC or watch us enforce them.
If the rules somewhere are truly so repugnant to someone that the feel they can't post there without clashing with the moderators or breaking them, the only sensible thing to do is to post elsewhere, and, if necessary, to make their OWN messageboard where they can A) make the rules B) deal with any repercussions if anything happens for any reason (technical, legal, etc) There is no constitutional right to post on this or any other messageboard.
If the rules somewhere are truly so repugnant to someone that the feel they can't post there without clashing with the moderators or breaking them, the only sensible thing to do is to post elsewhere, and, if necessary, to make their OWN messageboard where they can A) make the rules B) deal with any repercussions if anything happens for any reason (technical, legal, etc) There is no constitutional right to post on this or any other messageboard.
Some thoughtful posts from Socks (his best ever, I think).
And then the usual spats from the usual suspects.
Kinda like sitting by a peaceful riverbank contemplating life and the joys of nature, and turning round to find a street brawl going on behind you.
Hardly surprising that people are put off coming here. There are other riversides to sit beside. Not without the occasional brawl, but these get settled quickly and don't keep festering, to distract continually.
I was about to delete posts that did not contribute to the conversation, but given the topic of this thread, that's not really plausible. The offending posts WERE the topic.
So easy to judge, criticize and have a posting frenzy of aspersions and lies, when the target of the immature and disinformed personal attacks has no way to respond. How nice you finally had the “bravery” to take down the personal attacks and prepubescent ad hominem attacks upon my posts and character. Thus will never be seen and left up for days like the thinly posts, and the WordWolf whines, and the Rocky “look at me posts”. What a bunch of elementary school intellects with a free reign to bully the people they don’t like. This post will never see the GSC playpen. You people don’t like HONESTY here any more. You just want politically correct vanilla flour here. Everybody gets a trophy! LOL!
I always wanted this place to be a safe haven for those that left or was in the process of leaving or was thinking of leaving. This would be a place of solace.
Lately, for some, attacking seems to be the color of the day. Why the need to attack? Why the need to call people names. My attitude has been if you are getting in vicious place, step away from the keyboard!
The internet is rampant with vicious bravery behind a wall of anonymity
I only have one word to those guilty of this, Stop! At least on this site...
How nice you finally had the “bravery” to take down the personal attacks andprepubescentad hominem attacks upon my posts and character.
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I think another I learned through this is that in the Way, a lot of the doctrine was taught as inward facing stuff, things I do as a lifestyle and some things I do with others. At the same time VPW would say things like “it’s just a walk kids, you just walk”. But unless we disconnected from the programmatic mechanical nature of the lifestyle (12 keys to this, 3 steps to that, memorize this, practice that) it was extremely difficult to “just do it”. I compare it to say, having a hammer. And I learn all about that hammer, get taught about hammers, the history of it, how it’s made, the different types, and practice holding and using it, and even go out and hammer some nails in someone’s else’s project. But then if I never got up one morning and grabbed it, some nails and went out to build something and used it with my drill and saw, I wouldn’t Use it anywhere near it’s full potential. That to me is what the Way Corps lifestyle became. As long as everything was connected back to VPW, The HQters, and the program it was valid. Stepping out of that or even producing work that USED “the principles” but didn’t lead back to VPW’s ministry was invalid. Tripped out. “Back 40 stuff”. That kept the sphere of endeavor very small. And it was nearly impossible to see that unless you broke away, which isn’t how it had to be. At all.
I got my hammer - and the life I build can now be with and through the faith of Him who loved me, and gave himself for me without extra attachments. It’s very direct and to the point - God through Jesus Christ can be glorified in me. Not “this ministry that was the only thing that could have reached you, and which you now owe your life to and is the only thing worth telling people”.
Point being - Stoicism is a philosophy of practical application, not only thought. The idea is "Be the changed you want to see". One of the Stoic writers put the thought forward in their day as "don't waste time arguing what a good man should be. Be one." And that's an idea that is very much the essence of Christian faith. If that's what a person would really like to do then "being" a new person with a "new life" in Christ is exactly where it goes. And that's where it resonates with me, rather than a new way of thinking or a system of tenets, it's a reflection of an attempt to encourage us to live thoughtfully and not solely for ourselves.
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“Where did you get your training in what constitutes libel and how to avoid it, DWBH?
My most recent refresher session was in June.
Would you like the names and credentials of the attorneys who ran those sessions and whose job is to literally keep ME and my colleagues from printing information that might lead to defamation lawsuits?”
Edited Thursday at 01:29 PM by Raf
Would YOU like the names of the MA Police Cyber Division Atty. who instructed ALL we RNs at every hospital I’ve worked at here in MA, regarding the legal requirements upon our licenses, to report ANY act of SUSPECTED psychological or sexual abuse we witness ANYWHERE?? Would YOU like the credentials of the Lawyers, Nurses, and public servants who authored the MA State Nurse Practice Act which details these reporting REQUIREMENTS?? Would like the names and credentials of the physicians, lawyers, and politicians who defined the statutes making Cyberbullying/ sexual and psychological harrassment the CRIMES they are here??
I’m not a journalist. I am an ANCC Certified Registered Nurse. I provide professional healthcare delivery on the frontlines of these cases, and have for almost 30 years. I don’t give a crap about being politically correct enough to avoid sone THREAT of a lawsuit that will NEVER HAPPEN to me. I care about delivering the necessary and proper PROFESSIONAL healthcare to help the victims of abuse, not excuse their victimization by people on a website YOU or ANYONE “moderates” according to the editorial opinion of YOUR FL newspaper, and your layman’s understanding of whatever legal directives your bosses at the Sun Sentinel give you so THEY can avoid getting sued. I don’t work for your paper either.
Your unilateral and arbitrary censorship of my posts has nothing based in REALITY to do with “avoiding a lawsuit against the GSC”. It has EVERYTHING to do with YOUR personal biases and what you learned about libel and slander from some FL lawyer who was hired to keep your bosses and you outta court, NOT to tell you how to provide professional healthcare delivery to surviving victims of TWIt and offshoots’ spiritual, physical, and sexual abuse. Please tell us of ANY lawsuit, threatened or filed against the GSC because of ANYTHING I have posted here or at Waydale in the TWENTY YEARS I have been posting here. Enquiring minds want to know. Thank you.
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Just curious there, DWBH, how recent was your last training session in the legal field, and did any of that training refer to reading into other people's motives when you have no in person contact with the people? And are you engaged in delivering necessary and proper PROFESSIONAL healthcare to anyone by way of GSC? thank you.
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Tell them where to find me.
Tell them EXACTLY where to find me.
And show them screen caps of the perfectly innocuous posts that made you lose your mind and accuse an innocent man of cyberstalking and abusive behavior.
If we're all lucky, oldiesman will be gracious snd not sue you for making false accusations and making him out to be a criminal.
You need to back off, DWHB.
You have been making false, unsubstantiated and inflammatory accusations for months now and we all love you so much no one wants to stand up to you. So by ALL MEANS, send my contact information to the cybercrimes division of skynet or whoever you think you're calling. I would be BEYOND HAPPY to talk to them.
Until then, follow the rules of GSC or watch us enforce them.
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Oh? So YOU’RE the one that wants to sue me. I got ya now!
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Oh ffs
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The false accusations end now.
The hyperbolic slander ends now.
Abusive behavior will not be tolerated.
Enough
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If the rules somewhere are truly so repugnant to someone that the feel they can't post there without clashing with the moderators or breaking them, the only sensible thing to do is to post elsewhere, and, if necessary, to make their OWN messageboard where they can A) make the rules B) deal with any repercussions if anything happens for any reason (technical, legal, etc) There is no constitutional right to post on this or any other messageboard.
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Or Facebook or Twitter for that matter.
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Some thoughtful posts from Socks (his best ever, I think).
And then the usual spats from the usual suspects.
Kinda like sitting by a peaceful riverbank contemplating life and the joys of nature, and turning round to find a street brawl going on behind you.
Hardly surprising that people are put off coming here. There are other riversides to sit beside. Not without the occasional brawl, but these get settled quickly and don't keep festering, to distract continually.
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Twinky is right.
I was about to delete posts that did not contribute to the conversation, but given the topic of this thread, that's not really plausible. The offending posts WERE the topic.
Thank you, though.
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So easy to judge, criticize and have a posting frenzy of aspersions and lies, when the target of the immature and disinformed personal attacks has no way to respond. How nice you finally had the “bravery” to take down the personal attacks and prepubescent ad hominem attacks upon my posts and character. Thus will never be seen and left up for days like the thinly posts, and the WordWolf whines, and the Rocky “look at me posts”. What a bunch of elementary school intellects with a free reign to bully the people they don’t like. This post will never see the GSC playpen. You people don’t like HONESTY here any more. You just want politically correct vanilla flour here. Everybody gets a trophy! LOL!
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