Yeah........and wierwille is STILL siding up with B.G. after taking [and stealing] his foundational class in 1953.
Here, in 1958.......wierwille heads up to Canada for a week at a Missionary Convention. In attempts not to be cynical about wierwille's motives.......I cannot help but think that wierwille was meeting with Leonard and others to sway them into his organization. Struggling to stay afloat, wierwille was ON THE MOVE to find more people to weekly tithe to his fledgling work.
Later, Leonard found out that wierwille was NOT working alongside him......BUT splintering from him and teaching Leonard's class as his own.
Leonard was mad ...........and started copyrighting after that.
"We are free, we can walk in love and in unity with those who want to love us and walk with us. We are free to change when God's Word shows us where we must change. Oh what a joy to be free and to walk in liberty."
Oh, yeah......we can walk in love and unity ..........NOW that we started a SPLINTER GROUP.
Another thing I know is true that if we would have our Bible teaching fellowship on Sunday Morning instead of Sunday Night we would have many more in attendance. Having a family I know what a chore it is to get the children out and ready on Sunday Night when they should be put to bed early. But, we are a pioneering group and as such we many at times have to push ourselves to do certain things that the more or less nominal Christians would not do.
Whaaaatttt? He acknowledges that Sunday night is a pain for everybody, especially families with kids - but then elevates that difficulty, spiritualising it and setting against "nominal Christians" who presumably are a bit more considerate towards kids' needs.
What's he doing with his Sunday mornings, anyway? Teaching in the church that pays his salary, or just plain having a lie-in? (well, yeah, he is having a lie in, and out, and everywhere he goes. Can't stop lying.)
Headquarters...a private joke among him and his lukewarm supporters?
Manipulation with guilt, woe is me, I'm really trying here... I've heard this whining in my profession from everyone over 40 years...whine.....
For the any era, especially the mid 1950's, that was a brazenly forward letter. No wonder the adults wouldn't listen to him. Him telling them what to do. Family folks in Ohio farm country.
He called my Mom and Dad for an Ambassador One weekend circa 1978...they were grads in name only.....Dad saw through it in a second, and just had a nice chat with him, then hung up. They declined then and there.
That brings me to another topic, and I'm not trying to derail this, but during my time in-residence I found out that there were certain select folks who were SECRETLY taken on "special" trips on Ambassador One, or by other means, to special weekends, and I'm not sure they were ALL Ambassador One weekends. They were told not to tell anyone. Hush Hush. My in-rez corpse bros and sisters'. This came to me second hand from a corpse sis long after we left in 1986...they left in 1984.
All of them had well off parents. Like Candace G, or Bob K. Anyone else get to do this, or know about it?
He called my Mom and Dad for an Ambassador One weekend circa 1978...they were grads in name only.....Dad saw through it in a second, and just had a nice chat with him, then hung up. They declined then and there.
That brings me to another topic, and I'm not trying to derail this, but during my time in-residence I found out that there were certain select folks who were SECRETLY taken on "special" trips on Ambassador One, or by other means, to special weekends, and I'm not sure they were ALL Ambassador One weekends. They were told not to tell anyone. Hush Hush. My in-rez corpse bros and sisters'. This came to me second hand from a corpse sis long after we left in 1986...they left in 1984.
All of them had well off parents. Like Candace G, or Bob K. Anyone else get to do this, or know about it?
Engine, My mother and I were invited to take a trip to D.C. on Ambassador One once. This was either the spring of 1984 or spring of 1985. I was in high school at the time. I don't remember any "orders" to keep this trip secret but we were rank & file followers not on staff or corps. My parents contributed to the Way Magazine by writing articles back in the early to mid 60's so maybe that was the reason she was invited... along with my parents donations through the years. I don't recall any other "select" folks on board except for Don Wierw!!e & a teenage Naomi Polling. One thing that stands out in my mind regarding that trip was a large group of people clapping & cheering as we exited the plane at the terminal. I wasn't expecting that and it seemed rather strange to my teen-aged mind. Looking back, it was probably a form of brown-nosing because Don Wierw!!e was there. A nice family from the D.C. area hosted our stay in their house while my mother attended various meetings.
Did VPW expect people to come to his home on Sunday mornings only to find that others attended denominational churches only some would attend his home church either in the afternoon or early evening(6pm)?
"If we could get another 6 families interested in our local group meetings who would join with us week after week in fellowship as well as the giving of their tithes for this work and ministry we would have a greater group than we have even now."
There are so many things nauseating about wierwille's solicitation letter......but this quote is extremely nauseating and calculating.
Let's see......Average median household income X 10% (tithe) X 6 (household incomes) = amount needed to adequately pay expenses and wierwille's salary
Not 5 families.......6 families who will faithfully give their weekly tithe
What ever happened to looking to God......to do exceeding abundantly above all that you ask or think (calculate in your pea brain)?
I've said this several times.......Mrs. Wierwille's book debunks the myths and mystique of victor paul wierwille.
Y'all know about George Muller, who founded orphanages in Bristol - funded with nothing but prayer.
George Müller cared for 10,000 orphaned children in Bristol during the 19th Century. He never made appeals for money, trusting implicitly in God, he received £1,500,000 in answer to prayer. At present day prices, this would be well over £86,000,000.
According to the timeline, he too started out as a bit of a shyster and only went into "ministry" as an easy way to make money. However, he really "saw the light" and took the Bible seriously, and the charity that he founded is still going today, and works to help orphans globally. Here's his timeline, but if you go to the Home page you'll find out more about present-day work.
I do not know if VPW knew of this bigger history and decided to "imitate" it (we were only told that GM prayed, and resources poured in). However, "by their fruits you shall know them." Who built on solid ground, and who on the sand of ego?
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He was already calling it HQ... Scary!
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Yeah........and wierwille is STILL siding up with B.G. after taking [and stealing] his foundational class in 1953.
Here, in 1958.......wierwille heads up to Canada for a week at a Missionary Convention. In attempts not to be cynical about wierwille's motives.......I cannot help but think that wierwille was meeting with Leonard and others to sway them into his organization. Struggling to stay afloat, wierwille was ON THE MOVE to find more people to weekly tithe to his fledgling work.
Later, Leonard found out that wierwille was NOT working alongside him......BUT splintering from him and teaching Leonard's class as his own.
Leonard was mad ...........and started copyrighting after that.
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"We are free, we can walk in love and in unity with those who want to love us and walk with us. We are free to change when God's Word shows us where we must change. Oh what a joy to be free and to walk in liberty."
Oh, yeah......we can walk in love and unity ..........NOW that we started a SPLINTER GROUP.
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Whaaaatttt? He acknowledges that Sunday night is a pain for everybody, especially families with kids - but then elevates that difficulty, spiritualising it and setting against "nominal Christians" who presumably are a bit more considerate towards kids' needs.
What's he doing with his Sunday mornings, anyway? Teaching in the church that pays his salary, or just plain having a lie-in? (well, yeah, he is having a lie in, and out, and everywhere he goes. Can't stop lying.)
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That letter is quite revealing.
Headquarters...a private joke among him and his lukewarm supporters?
Manipulation with guilt, woe is me, I'm really trying here... I've heard this whining in my profession from everyone over 40 years...whine.....
For the any era, especially the mid 1950's, that was a brazenly forward letter. No wonder the adults wouldn't listen to him. Him telling them what to do. Family folks in Ohio farm country.
He called my Mom and Dad for an Ambassador One weekend circa 1978...they were grads in name only.....Dad saw through it in a second, and just had a nice chat with him, then hung up. They declined then and there.
That brings me to another topic, and I'm not trying to derail this, but during my time in-residence I found out that there were certain select folks who were SECRETLY taken on "special" trips on Ambassador One, or by other means, to special weekends, and I'm not sure they were ALL Ambassador One weekends. They were told not to tell anyone. Hush Hush. My in-rez corpse bros and sisters'. This came to me second hand from a corpse sis long after we left in 1986...they left in 1984.
All of them had well off parents. Like Candace G, or Bob K. Anyone else get to do this, or know about it?
He was an .... all the way back then.
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Engine, My mother and I were invited to take a trip to D.C. on Ambassador One once. This was either the spring of 1984 or spring of 1985. I was in high school at the time. I don't remember any "orders" to keep this trip secret but we were rank & file followers not on staff or corps. My parents contributed to the Way Magazine by writing articles back in the early to mid 60's so maybe that was the reason she was invited... along with my parents donations through the years. I don't recall any other "select" folks on board except for Don Wierw!!e & a teenage Naomi Polling. One thing that stands out in my mind regarding that trip was a large group of people clapping & cheering as we exited the plane at the terminal. I wasn't expecting that and it seemed rather strange to my teen-aged mind. Looking back, it was probably a form of brown-nosing because Don Wierw!!e was there. A nice family from the D.C. area hosted our stay in their house while my mother attended various meetings.
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Did VPW expect people to come to his home on Sunday mornings only to find that others attended denominational churches only some would attend his home church either in the afternoon or early evening(6pm)?
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"If we could get another 6 families interested in our local group meetings who would join with us week after week in fellowship as well as the giving of their tithes for this work and ministry we would have a greater group than we have even now."
There are so many things nauseating about wierwille's solicitation letter......but this quote is extremely nauseating and calculating.
I've said this several times.......Mrs. Wierwille's book debunks the myths and mystique of victor paul wierwille.
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Y'all know about George Muller, who founded orphanages in Bristol - funded with nothing but prayer.
According to the timeline, he too started out as a bit of a shyster and only went into "ministry" as an easy way to make money. However, he really "saw the light" and took the Bible seriously, and the charity that he founded is still going today, and works to help orphans globally. Here's his timeline, but if you go to the Home page you'll find out more about present-day work.
https://www.mullers.org/timeline
I do not know if VPW knew of this bigger history and decided to "imitate" it (we were only told that GM prayed, and resources poured in). However, "by their fruits you shall know them." Who built on solid ground, and who on the sand of ego?
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