Wierwille's Personal Prophecy To Me

[skyrider]

When I was with wierwille on his motor coach in May 1981, he stopped reading my deprogramming account, paused and directly fixated his gaze upon me, and said............. "Your parents will be dead in 5 years for having done this to you."

Imagine how that jolted me.  For nearly 17 years, I had been indoctrinated into believing that Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille walked with God and was "the man of God" for this day and time.  He received revelation from God.......and, he was the man who could "reach up into Daddy's cookie jar" anytime, anywhere.  Throughout the corps indoctrination program, our corps coordinators emphasized and demanded strict adherence and obedience to leadership.  Wierwille was the "ultimate leader" of the cult........and, in May 1981, I was in his private motor coach and he was uttering a prophecy of the death of my parents.

So.........I counted down the years.

Throughout these years, I had NO contact with my parents......except to send them an announcement of my marriage to my bride.  I did not invite them to our wedding.  I knew that was not within the realm of possibility for them to accept.......and come sit in the BRC at our wedding.  So, obviously..........our relationship became estranged, and cold, and distant. 

Yet, each year......I reflected on wierwille's "prophecy" and thought, ".....Is this going to be the year of their deaths?  How will they die?  Will it be significant or "biblical in nature".......so that I can see the judgment of the Lord on their actions?   And, I at times, pondered..........."What if this was a false prophecy and wierwille was just speaking presumptuously?"  God forbid that I harbor a dissenting view of wierwille's prophecy and doubt that it would come to pass.  THAT would make wierwille a false prophet.

The years passed quickly..........and four years later, in May 1985........wierwille was DEAD.

Still, I waited..........waiting for year number 5.

May 1986 came and went...........and my parents were STILL alive.  Five years had passed and the prophecy did not come to pass.  Now what?  Should I give "this prophecy" a little wiggle room and wait till the end of the year?  Maybe, just maybe.......wierwille was "off by only a little."  No.  Wierwille said, "Your parents will be dead in 5 years for having done this to you."  These words were burned into my conscience, because wierwille had spoken them directly to me.  After years of studying scripture and going thru corps training, prophecy was something that was absolute and the markings of the holy spirit in action.  Many believed that wierwille had the gift ministries (plural)......teacher, prophet AND apostle. 

Yet, are we not to take the Deuteronomy record into account that IF the prophet's words do not come to pass, then he has spoken presumptuously.......and be NOT afraid of him.  Now what?  This was May of 1986.  And, three months later, Geer takes the stage at Corps Week and reads "The Passing of a Patriarch."  Patriarch?  Was wierwille our "Father in the Word?"  Was wierwille our father in this cult?  And, Geer said that we'd forsaken wierwille and needed to get back to the Word that he had taught us.   Questions and more swirling questions.  Who you gonna believe?  Men who speak great swelling words of vanity or your own eyes (and ears)?

As of that May 1981 "prophecy".............my Dad lived another 27 years.

As of that May 1981 "prophecy".............my Mom lived another 34 years.

 

 

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Edited June 18, 2018 by skyrider
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[skyrider]

On this Father's Day.............I miss you Dad.

And, I miss the relationship that we could have had.......aside from the cult.

[waysider]

I had a pet rock that got more revelation than Wierwille. The man was a blowhard.

Happy Fathers Day to all.

[T-Bone]

Skyrider, that’s weird and creepy of wierwille to do that…I’m glad your parents outlived the supposed prophecy of doom…imagine if you would have countered that  with the nifty PFAL-if-you-got-your-ears-clogged-you’ll-be hearing-from-heaven-another-way old switcheroo - - by snapping right  back at him “God’s not saying my parents will go but that you will go – you’re my ‘father in the word’, remember?”

 

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yeah I miss my dad too - - and I'm thankful we got to connect after years of my being involved in a cult and even through his PTSD from the war.

Happy Father's Day to all !!!

 

Edited June 18, 2018 by T-Bone
afterthoughts

[Grace Valerie Claire]

45 minutes ago, waysider said:

I had a pet rock that got more revelation than Wierwille. The man was a blowhard.

Happy Fathers Day to all.

Way, you are so right!  My stuffed dog gives me more pleasure, than TWI did.  And she doesn't ask me for money.

[WordWolf]

5 hours ago, T-Bone said:

Skyrider, that’s weird and creepy of wierwille to do that…I’m glad your parents outlived the supposed prophecy of doom…imagine if you would have countered that  with the nifty PFAL-if-you-got-your-ears-clogged-you’ll-be hearing-from-heaven-another-way old switcheroo - - by snapping right  back at him “God’s not saying my parents will go but that you will go – you’re my ‘father in the word’, remember?”

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Glad someone else thought of that as well!    As it turns out, Deuteronomy says that if the prophet missed, they are to be killed for speaking presumptuously for the Lord.  As it turns out, vpw saved us the trouble by dropping dead on his own in that time-frame..

[Twinky]

Sky, glad VPW was wrong, and you got to make up with your parents.  You also got to see the clay feet of your tormentor.  But he achieved his goal: bound you closer to himself, and there you remained, at least for his lifetime.

So much for "builds harmony in the home."  Only if your "home" is in a cult!!

[chockfull]

20 hours ago, skyrider said:

On this Father's Day.............I miss you Dad.

And, I miss the relationship that we could have had.......aside from the cult.

The real fathers in our lives are so much bigger than the fake "Father in da Word" crapola that the vicster was supposed to be.

And sky you are a real father too.

Real > Fake

[Rocky]

On 6/17/2018 at 11:31 PM, WordWolf said:

Glad someone else thought of that as well!    As it turns out, Deuteronomy says that if the prophet missed, they are to be killed for speaking presumptuously for the Lord.  As it turns out, vpw saved us the trouble by dropping dead on his own in that time-frame..

An intriguing reflection on American history (going back 500 years) puts interesting perspective on that point. Fantasyland. “A provocative new study of America’s cultural history . . . -- Newsday

 

[skyrider]

On ‎6‎/‎18‎/‎2018 at 4:21 AM, Twinky said:

Sky, glad VPW was wrong, and you got to make up with your parents.  You also got to see the clay feet of your tormentor.  But he achieved his goal: bound you closer to himself, and there you remained, at least for his lifetime.

So much for "builds harmony in the home."  Only if your "home" is in a cult!!

Yeah, Twinky..............at least I got to spend some special weekends and quality time with my Dad his last 10 years and 17 years with Mom.

And, I got to see first-hand and up-close how a false prophet does his sleight-of-hand magic.   Pppffftt.

[skyrider]

Just to be clear............in the cult, and especially the corps indoctrination program, the leaders jumped back and forth from the new testament to the old testament..... picking and highlighting whatever verses fit the agenda.

So......a prophet speaks FOR THE LORD.

And......if the thing follow NOT, he is not to be respected (revered).  Quite the opposite.

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Deu 18:18 - I will raise them up a Prophet from among their brethren, like unto thee, and will put my words in his mouth; and he shall speak unto them all that I shall command him.

Deu 18:19 - And it shall come to pass, that whosoever will not hearken unto my words which he shall speak in my name, I will require it of him.

Deu 18:20 - But the prophet, which shall presume to speak a word in my name, which I have not commanded him to speak, or that shall speak in the name of other gods, even that prophet shall die.

Deu 18:21 - And if thou say in thine heart, How shall we know the word which the LORD hath not spoken?

Deu 18:22 - When a prophet speaketh in the name of the LORD, if the thing follow not, nor come to pass, that is the thing which the LORD hath not spoken, but the prophet hath spoken it presumptuously: thou shalt not be afraid of him.

 

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Like WordWolf said:

As it turns out, Deuteronomy says that if the prophet missed, they are to be killed for speaking presumptuously for the Lord.  As it turns out, vpw saved us the trouble by dropping dead on his own in that time-frame..

Oh, the irony..........that wierwille died in 4 years, dropping dead on his own in the time frame of his false prophecy.

 

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Edited June 20, 2018 by skyrider

[Taxidev]

OMG!!!  What an EVIL POS!!!

[skyrider]

On 6/17/2018 at 8:10 PM, skyrider said:

When I was with wierwille on his motor coach in May 1981, he stopped reading my deprogramming account, paused and directly fixated his gaze upon me, and said............. "Your parents will be dead in 5 years for having done this to you."

Imagine how that jolted me.  For nearly 7 years, I had been indoctrinated into believing that Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille walked with God and was "the man of God" for this day and time.  He received revelation from God.......and, he was the man who could "reach up into Daddy's cookie jar" anytime, anywhere.  Throughout the corps indoctrination program, our corps coordinators emphasized and demanded strict adherence and obedience to leadership.  Wierwille was the "ultimate leader" of the cult........and, in May 1981, I was in his private motor coach and he was uttering a prophecy of the death of my parents.

So.........I counted down the years.

Throughout these years, I had NO contact with my parents......except to send them an announcement of my marriage to my bride.  I did not invite them to our wedding.  I knew that was not within the realm of possibility for them to accept.......and come sit in the BRC at our wedding.  So, obviously..........our relationship became estranged, and cold, and distant. 

Yet, each year......I reflected on wierwille's "prophecy" and thought, ".....Is this going to be the year of their deaths?  How will they die?  Will it be significant or "biblical in nature".......so that I can see the judgment of the Lord on their actions?   And, I at times, pondered..........."What if this was a false prophecy and wierwille was just speaking presumptuously?"  God forbid that I harbor a dissenting view of wierwille's prophecy and doubt that it would come to pass.  THAT would make wierwille a false prophet.

The years passed quickly..........and four years later, in May 1985........wierwille was DEAD.

Still, I waited..........waiting for year number 5.

May 1986 came and went...........and my parents were STILL alive.  Five years had passed and the prophecy did not come to pass.  Now what?  Should I give "this prophecy" a little wiggle room and wait till the end of the year?  Maybe, just maybe.......wierwille was "off by only a little."  No.  Wierwille said, "Your parents will be dead in 5 years for having done this to you."  These words were burned into my conscience, because wierwille had spoken them directly to me.  After years of studying scripture and going thru corps training, prophecy was something that was absolute and the markings of the holy spirit in action.  Many believed that wierwille had the gift ministries (plural)......teacher, prophet AND apostle. 

Yet, are we not to take the Deuteronomy 18:22 record into account that IF the prophet's words do not come to pass, then he has spoken presumptuously.......and be NOT afraid of him.  Now what?  This was May of 1986.  And, three months later, Geer takes the stage at Corps Week and reads "The Passing of a Patriarch."  Patriarch?  Was wierwille our "Father in the Word?"  Was wierwille our father in this cult?  And, Geer said that we'd forsaken wierwille and needed to get back to the Word that he had taught us.   Questions and more swirling questions.  Who you gonna believe?  Men who speak great swelling words of vanity or your own eyes (and ears)?

As of that May 1981 "prophecy".............my Dad lived another 27 years.

As of that May 1981 "prophecy".............my Mom lived another 34 years.

 

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Wierwille's prophecy did NOT come to pass.  He spoke presumptuously [saying or doing something without right or permission, taking excessive liberties, presuming something that isn't there].  Thus, do not be afraid [do not respect] him.

Stay away from cults.  Should have had many more  good years honoring and respecting my parents.  They were right about The Way International from the git-go.  

Thankful, I had 10 years with my Dad after exiting twi in 1998.  Today is his birthday.  Miss you Dad.

 

 

[Oakspear]

2 hours ago, skyrider said:

 

Wierwille's prophecy did NOT come to pass.  He spoke presumptuously [saying or doing something without right or permission, taking excessive liberties, presuming something that isn't there].  Thus, do not be afraid [do not respect] him.

Stay away from cults.  Should have had many more  good years honoring and respecting my parents.  They were right about The Way International from the git-go.  

Thankful, I had 10 years with my Dad after exiting twi in 1998.  Today is his birthday.  Miss you Dad.

 

 

Happy to hear that the rift was healed after you left TWI. My own parents, while deeply concerned about my TWI involvement, even considering hiring a deprogrammer, stuck with me during my TWI years. They visited often, and even came to a few Twig fellowships. Wierwille, even when he wasn't "prophesying" family members deaths, did little to calm family members' fears for their children & reveled in fanning the flames that caused estrangement among families

[chockfull]

I love my parents and am closer to them now living farther away than I could be in the Way living in the same city.  I'm glad they refused to carry a mortgage note for me so I could rent from them and be debt free like so many of the current Way leadership are doing.  

Bunch of damn hypocritical Pharisees.

[Mark Sanguinetti]

On 6/17/2018 at 5:10 PM, skyrider said:

When I was with wierwille on his motor coach in May 1981, he stopped reading my deprogramming account, paused and directly fixated his gaze upon me, and said............. "Your parents will be dead in 5 years for having done this to you."

Imagine how that jolted me.  For nearly 17 years, I had been indoctrinated into believing that Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille walked with God and was "the man of God" for this day and time.  He received revelation from God.......and, he was the man who could "reach up into Daddy's cookie jar" anytime, anywhere.  Throughout the corps indoctrination program, our corps coordinators emphasized and demanded strict adherence and obedience to leadership.  Wierwille was the "ultimate leader" of the cult........and, in May 1981, I was in his private motor coach and he was uttering a prophecy of the death of my parents.

Why did Victor Wierwille falsely and errantly predict the death of your parents? What fault did Victor see with them? Yes, Victor Wierwille could be considered a teacher with his biblical teaching books, but NOT an apostle or a prophet and I saw that in the 1980s before I left the Way ministry. Also Wierwille also showed arrogance that I saw by saying he was the teacher instead of a teacher. We had and have a number of teachers that include on various subjects.