Bob Moynihan's Command: Not allow mark/avoid brother to attend his sister's funeral

[skyrider]

Peggy, a dear friend and fellowship coordinator in Stillwater, OK for Rod and Jo Mart!ndale, passed away suddenly of heart complications in early September of 1997.  At the time, I was the limb coordinator of Oklahoma and was jolted by this news.  Death, and the sting of it, is most always inconvenient and ushers in a plethora of rapid decisions. 

On one level.......there was the ministry side of things.  Peggy had specifically come to Oklahoma in 1994 from Wisconsin at the request of her region coordinator.  She was told that her loving support and abilities were needed in Stillwater to help the Martindales.  That was Peggy......the heart of serving others.

But on another level.......there was her family, her brother.  Peggy's parents were both deceased, but there was a brother in Florida.  Problem was:  according to twi, this brother was blacklisted with that dastardly label.......mark and avoid.  So, since Peggy had been the twig coordinator for Rod and Jo, it didn't take but a few hours for this news to reach Craig Martindale.  And then, subsequently.....the brother in Florida phones Bob Moynihan about this funeral.  Whereupon Bob, the Florida Limb guy calls me and informs me that this brother SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to attend his sister's funeral.

Well, I disagreed.             Here

And, now.............some 20 years later, I'm sure damn glad he did.  I would NOT want it laid "at my doorstep" that I would not permit a bereaved brother to attend his sister's funeral.  In my mind, it gave him great comfort and healing to be there for her, his sister.  RIP, Peggy.

And, Bob..............now, some 20 years later, YOU are mark and avoid. 

• Thankful, that I didn't heed your "counsel" back then.
• What's up with that pathetic command, Bob?
• You guys and your "lockstep loyalty" to serve wierwille/twi?
• You might want to RE-think that and lots of other things.

 

 

 

[JayDee]

34 minutes ago, skyrider said:

Peggy, a dear friend and fellowship coordinator in Stillwater, OK for Rod and Jo Mart!ndale, passed away suddenly of heart complications in early September of 1997.  At the time, I was the limb coordinator of Oklahoma and was jolted by this news.  Death, and the sting of it, is most always inconvenient and ushers in a plethora of rapid decisions. 

On one level.......there was the ministry side of things.  Peggy had specifically come to Oklahoma in 1994 from Wisconsin at the request of her region coordinator.  She was told that her loving support and abilities were needed in Stillwater to help the Martindales.  That was Peggy......the heart of serving others.

But on another level.......there was her family, her brother.  Peggy's parents were both deceased, but there was a brother in Florida.  Problem was:  according to twi, this brother was blacklisted with that dastardly label.......mark and avoid.  So, since Peggy had been the twig coordinator for Rod and Jo, it didn't take but a few hours for this news to reach Craig Martindale.  And then, subsequently.....the brother in Florida phones Bob Moynihan about this funeral.  Whereupon Bob, the Florida Limb guy calls me and informs me that this brother SHOULD NOT BE ALLOWED to attend his sister's funeral.

Well, I disagreed.             Here

And, now.............some 20 years later, I'm sure damn glad he did.  I would NOT want it laid "at my doorstep" that I would not permit a bereaved brother to attend his sister's funeral.  In my mind, it gave him great comfort and healing to be there for her, his sister.  RIP, Peggy.

And, Bob..............now, some 20 years later, YOU are mark and avoid. 

• Thankful, that I didn't heed your "counsel" back then.
• What's up with that pathetic command, Bob?
• You guys and your "lockstep loyalty" to serve wierwille/twi?
• You might want to RE-think that and lots of other things.

 

 

 

And there are those who still think these folks are going to change. Thanks for this post skyrider. 

[T-Bone]

Skyrider, 

enough can’t be said for the truly good leaders like yourself ...

...Plenty has been said about the Rise and Fall of the Third Reich - - I mean the Revival and Restoration of the Turd Reich.

[waysider]

Reminds me of the time someone got kicked out of FellowLaborers in the middle of the night and commanded to clear the Ohio border by sunrise. Who did these people think they were? ...Don't answer that.

[skyrider]

2 hours ago, JayDee said:

And there are those who still think these folks are going to change. Thanks for this post skyrider. 

Exactly.

Everything this new splinter group [ R&R ] is doing..........is THE SAME THING all the others have done.

1. Need to "get back to the Word that wierwille taught us".................(ugh).
2. SAME centralization of power and leverage over the peons.
3. SAME teachings from plagiarized sources and claiming elite status.
4. SAME arrogance and smugness over others.
5. SAME dog-n-pony manifestations.......counterfeit silliness.

Are people that gullible to STILL fall for another offshoot?

 

[skyrider]

Hey, Moynihan...............

If wierwille had lived longer........maybe we would have seen him led away in handcuffs (like Harvey Weinstein).

 

[Twinky]

Wow, there's just nothing like comforting (coming alongside) the bereaved, is there?  Just who the f--- did these people think they were?

1 hour ago, waysider said:

Reminds me of the time someone got kicked out of FellowLaborers in the middle of the night and commanded to clear the Ohio border by sunrise. Who did these people think they were? ...Don't answer that.

Yeah, who did they think they were?  Get outta the state.  Get outta the planet. 

 

The really crazy thing is, Wayfers felt compelled to OBEY such ludicrous commands.

 

[skyrider]

55 minutes ago, Twinky said:

Just who the f--- did these people think they were?

 

They think.......they are entitled.

They deem......"to serve the Word" while others serve tables.

They are..........unrepentant of their sins and destruction of others.

They will..........bear the same fruit of the mother-cult tree.

[Rocky]

3 hours ago, skyrider said:

Hey, Moynihan...............

If wierwille had lived longer........maybe we would have seen him led away in handcuffs (like Harvey Weinstein).

 

Of course, that hypothetical is... well, I think of his self-destructive behavior and laugh at the notion he could have lived another three plus decades.

[skyrider]

1 hour ago, Rocky said:

Of course, that hypothetical is... well, I think of his self-destructive behavior and laugh at the notion he could have lived another three plus decades.

Yeah, Rocky.......ole wierwille would have never lived three more decades, but I was jousting the R&R guy on his hypocritical wierwille-adulation. 

Keeping on the railroad tracks of wierwille............Moynihans, Forts, Horneys, and others want to keep the locomotive churning down those tracks.  They can't abandon wierwille or else they lose the indoctrinated-followers that are institutionalized to the cult lifestyle and nostalgia.  Warts, sexual predator and all.......they can't stop riding on his coattails.  Else, they'd have to look in the mirror and SEE WHAT UTTER FAILURES THEY'VE BECOME.

It's just easier to keep living the dream......façade.

And, starting a non-profit organization.......gives them a lane to run in during "retirement."

[Rocky]

1 hour ago, skyrider said:

Yeah, Rocky.......ole wierwille would have never lived three more decades, but I was jousting the R&R guy on his hypocritical wierwille-adulation. 

Keeping on the railroad tracks of wierwille............Moynihans, Forts, Horneys, and others want to keep the locomotive churning down those tracks.  They can't abandon wierwille or else they lose the indoctrinated-followers that are institutionalized to the cult lifestyle and nostalgia.  Warts, sexual predator and all.......they can't stop riding on his coattails.  Else, they'd have to look in the mirror and SEE WHAT UTTER FAILURES THEY'VE BECOME.

It's just easier to keep living the dream......façade.

And, starting a non-profit organization.......gives them a lane to run in during "retirement."

As they saying these days goes... "stay in your lane." 

Yeah, I got your meaning immediately. I always appreciate your insight. 

[JavaJane]

The story about clearing the Ohio stateline by sunrise reminds me of how I used to think leadership was so tapped in to God...  His representatives on Earth.  All knowing...

They couldn't find their own butts in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.

I remember two specific moments when I suddenly realized the leaders of TWI were not connected to God directly through revelation or otherwise - and therefore didn't have any control or say over my life...

1.  Working at HQ and being required to be at every Sunday Service.  My fiancee (still my husband) convinced me we needed a break from the constant work and wedding planning - we didn't go to the service.  We left campus and went to some neighboring town for the day.  And no one noticed.  I had become convinced my department coordinator would be waiting for me ready to kick me off campus because God had told him of my broken fellowship.

Nope.  No one had a clue.  And we had a lot more Sundays off after that.

2.  Went to a casino with my in-laws and played slot machines.  I was sure i would get a call from my fellowship coordinator.  Once again, nothing..

Because these imbeciles never had power over me, except to destroy relationships that were based on lies to begin with.

 

So glad I am free.  Just got back from the casino with my in-laws.  It's been 10 years since we left.  I'm still not a grease spot.

[WordWolf]

2 hours ago, skyrider said:

Yeah, Rocky.......ole wierwille would have never lived three more decades, but I was jousting the R&R guy on his hypocritical wierwille-adulation. 

Keeping on the railroad tracks of wierwille............Moynihans, Forts, Horneys, and others want to keep the locomotive churning down those tracks.  They can't abandon wierwille or else they lose the indoctrinated-followers that are institutionalized to the cult lifestyle and nostalgia.  Warts, sexual predator and all.......they can't stop riding on his coattails.  Else, they'd have to look in the mirror and SEE WHAT UTTER FAILURES THEY'VE BECOME.

It's just easier to keep living the dream......façade.

And, starting a non-profit organization.......gives them a lane to run in during "retirement."

Just another group of so-called leaders trying to "run the clock."  The crowd of twi'ers and ex-twi'ers is smaller every year as they age out and aren't replaced, so they're trying to get some of that sweet cash until they or the parishoners die, whichever comes first.

[WordWolf]

3 hours ago, Rocky said:

Of course, that hypothetical is... well, I think of his self-destructive behavior and laugh at the notion he could have lived another three plus decades.

Chain-smoker and chronic alcoholic, and I'm supposed to believe what killed him was a handful of studio lights a few decades before his death that he was exposed to for about 2 weeks.  Actors of every age have been exposed to brighter, and there's no chronic warning that studio lights or stage lights will kill, but it singled out someone with 2 weeks of exposure. Forgive me if I consider that just another in a long list of his lies.

[Twinky]

What I think is so amazing is how these people thought it was okay not only to expel people (at will) from various programs, but to order them out of the state or the town.  And the victims complied!   This, to people who may have given up good jobs, sold property at a loss, moved hundreds of miles (if not to say, moved from another country), disrupted children's education, etc - probably having become alienated from their family and friends who would form a support group - and it's okay to tell people who have demonstrated so significantly their commitment to the cause, that they've gotta be out of town in a few hours.

Talk about a power imbalance - "leadership" exercised unfettered "rights" and the victims were so bullied and weakened that they were unable to resist.  All because they were being "obedient to God." Grr!  It's easy to see to whom such leadership had demonstrated so significantly their commitment - to the one who steals, kills and destroys.

God might have a few things to say to such bullies about obedience and meekness.

[skyrider]

6 hours ago, Twinky said:

What I think is so amazing is how these people thought it was okay not only to expel people (at will) from various programs, but to order them out of the state or the town.  And the victims complied!   This, to people who may have given up good jobs, sold property at a loss, moved hundreds of miles (if not to say, moved from another country), disrupted children's education, etc - probably having become alienated from their family and friends who would form a support group - and it's okay to tell people who have demonstrated so significantly their commitment to the cause, that they've gotta be out of town in a few hours.

Talk about a power imbalance - "leadership" exercised unfettered "rights" and the victims were so bullied and weakened that they were unable to resist.  All because they were being "obedient to God." Grr!  It's easy to see to whom such leadership had demonstrated so significantly their commitment - to the one who steals, kills and destroys.

God might have a few things to say to such bullies about obedience and meekness.

Abso....damn....lutely !!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/27/2018 at 4:41 PM, skyrider said:

Exactly.

Everything this new splinter group [ R&R ] is doing..........is THE SAME THING all the others have done.

1. Need to "get back to the Word that wierwille taught us".................(ugh).
2. SAME centralization of power and leverage over the peons.
3. SAME teachings from plagiarized sources and claiming elite status.
4. SAME arrogance and smugness over others.
5. SAME dog-n-pony manifestations.......counterfeit silliness.

Are people that gullible to STILL fall for another offshoot?

 

Sky, some people might fall for it, because it's what they know, and it feels comfortable.  God forbid they should use think for themselves.

[Grace Valerie Claire]

18 hours ago, JavaJane said:

The story about clearing the Ohio stateline by sunrise reminds me of how I used to think leadership was so tapped in to God...  His representatives on Earth.  All knowing...

They couldn't find their own butts in the dark with both hands and a flashlight.

I remember two specific moments when I suddenly realized the leaders of TWI were not connected to God directly through revelation or otherwise - and therefore didn't have any control or say over my life...

1.  Working at HQ and being required to be at every Sunday Service.  My fiancee (still my husband) convinced me we needed a break from the constant work and wedding planning - we didn't go to the service.  We left campus and went to some neighboring town for the day.  And no one noticed.  I had become convinced my department coordinator would be waiting for me ready to kick me off campus because God had told him of my broken fellowship.

Nope.  No one had a clue.  And we had a lot more Sundays off after that.

2.  Went to a casino with my in-laws and played slot machines.  I was sure i would get a call from my fellowship coordinator.  Once again, nothing..

Because these imbeciles never had power over me, except to destroy relationships that were based on lies to begin with.

 

So glad I am free.  Just got back from the casino with my in-laws.  It's been 10 years since we left.  I'm still not a grease spot.

JJ, my life has also gotten better since I left TWI.  And I have more money.

[skyrider]

Peggy was special.......always going the extra mile to help others in her twig fellowship.  She was a doer and a giver.....not someone who lorded over others and browbeat them with cherry-picked scriptures.  She had integrity of heart in everything she set out to do.

When she met Tim, they courted for about a year as their relationship blossomed.  Two people, two lives.....could this be love?  And, when they broached the subject of marriage, they came to me for my thoughts and counsel.  Marriage is NOT a "ministry thing"........Marriage is a GOD thing:  "two shall be one."  I was honored to perform their wedding.

Life, living, loving, laughter, ..........the memories of Peggy will live with me for the rest of my life.

So.......it sure as hell irked me when Craig Martindale took her death as an opportunity at a headquarter's lunch meal to give a 30-minute spiel about taking care of your health.  The message was clear:  "that the ministry be not blamed" when/if you die prematurely.  More along the lines of bullying the people to obey.  Where were the kind, loving words to honor Peggy's life?  Martindale wasn't thinking along those lines.  He was running roughshod over people.....just like wierwille did.

Peggy was special........RIP.

 

.

Edited May 28, 2018 by skyrider

[WordWolf]

"More along the lines of bullying the people to obey.  Where were the kind, loving words to honor Peggy's life?  Martindale wasn't thinking along those lines.  He was running roughshod over people.....just like wierwille did."

Of course, that's who he learned it all from!  You can even see it in lcm's book, "VP and Me."  lcm was more of a human being, but vpw kept "correcting" the normal responses out of him and told him not to worry about the people, never second-guess himself, never look back and reflect, etc.  vpw was slime, but slime who knew to deceive and conceal his sliminess.  Since he convinced lcm that he/vpw was the real deal and not the fraud vpw knew he himself actually was, lcm bought into it and vpw made him into two-fold the child of hell he himself was.  In twi, things are to be loved and people are to be used.   For the twi top brass, their drones/slaves should all be "like Kleenex- soft, strong and disposable."

[outandabout]

On ‎5‎/‎27‎/‎2018 at 1:26 PM, waysider said:

Reminds me of the time someone got kicked out of FellowLaborers in the middle of the night and commanded to clear the Ohio border by sunrise. Who did these people think they were? ...Don't answer that.

What??!!  OMG!

[penworks]

On 5/27/2018 at 9:01 PM, skyrider said:

Yeah, Rocky.......ole wierwille would have never lived three more decades, but I was jousting the R&R guy on his hypocritical wierwille-adulation. 

Keeping on the railroad tracks of wierwille............Moynihans, Forts, Horneys, and others want to keep the locomotive churning down those tracks.  They can't abandon wierwille or else they lose the indoctrinated-followers that are institutionalized to the cult lifestyle and nostalgia.  Warts, sexual predator and all.......they can't stop riding on his coattails.  Else, they'd have to look in the mirror and SEE WHAT UTTER FAILURES THEY'VE BECOME.

It's just easier to keep living the dream......façade.

And, starting a non-profit organization.......gives them a lane to run in during "retirement."

What does it take to stop their getting a non-profit status?

[Grace Valerie Claire]

10 minutes ago, penworks said:

What does it take to stop their getting a non-profit status?

Pen, good question!

[Rocky]

1 hour ago, penworks said:

What does it take to stop their getting a non-profit status?

Demonstration to convince the IRS and federal courts that they have brazenly and consistently violated federal law governing not-for-profit organizations. [501 (c)]

Not such an easy thing to do these days.

[chockfull]

3 hours ago, penworks said:

What does it take to stop their getting a non-profit status?

it seems to me that it is as easy as starting a LLC online to set up a 501c these days.   LegalZoom will do it for $99.  Probably the only legal sticking point they might violate is that funds can't inure to any personal entity.  But they get around it by calling it a salary.

One more donation page hanging out on the internet somewhere probably isn't worth the effort.