I just want to have civil conversations here with you and everyone else as much as possible
Re: the video, did you get a chance to see it
At the 3:27 point you can see the guy's head pop up on the right side of the "shuttle," which once you see his head, it looks like he accidentally popped up while they were filming and it makes the "shuttle" look like a small model maybe 5 feet long, which would make it fake and the "satellite" that is being "launched" also fake
Then at the 4:10 point, you can see the shuttle but the "earth" in the background is dim, and then it looks like they turned on a studio light, and suddenly, the whole "earth" in the background suddenly lites up, looks fake as heck to me
What do you think?
Have you seen any of the many other videos about fake NASA space videos, like the ones where it is very clear they are using Hollywood-type harnesses to simulate weightlessness?
By the way, when I say evidence, I don't mean proof
To me it's just one piece of evidence, but with all the many other evidences, to me it points towards a proof
reflection in the glass of the astronaut inside. duh
good point, but I don't think it is a reflection on the window, because if it was a reflection, we would probacly be able to see the man's body in the reflection under his head, but it doesn't show, also, it clearly looks like he is behind something black that is behind the shuttle
Also, at 2:40 you can see the faces of both guys in the rear near the windows that open to the shuttle bay
The guy on the left (identified on the audioū as Dick) is wearing glasses with very light colored or clear frames, the guy on the right is not wearing glasses
The guy that pops up on the right side of shuttle is not wearing glasses
But hard to tell exactly where the camera is, and whether the camera is inside shuttle or outside the shuttle
It's a hard call
If there's a way to find out where the camera is located, if it is outside, then of course it could not be a reflection on the window
Either way, like I said to Rocky, this is only just one piece of evidence, difficult to analyze, but there are many other pieces of evidence that point to space fakery, I'll post another video that makes very good points for those interested
I just want to have civil conversations here with you and everyone else as much as possible
Re: the video, did you get a chance to see it
At the 3:27 point you can see the guy's head pop up on the right side of the "shuttle," which once you see his head, it looks like he accidentally popped up while they were filming and it makes the "shuttle" look like a small model maybe 5 feet long, which would make it fake and the "satellite" that is being "launched" also fake
Then at the 4:10 point, you can see the shuttle but the "earth" in the background is dim, and then it looks like they turned on a studio light, and suddenly, the whole "earth" in the background suddenly lites up, looks fake as heck to me
What do you think?
Have you seen any of the many other videos about fake NASA space videos, like the ones where it is very clear they are using Hollywood-type harnesses to simulate weightlessness?
By the way, when I say evidence, I don't mean proof
To me it's just one piece of evidence, but with all the many other evidences, to me it points towards a proof
Yes, I saw it.
At best, I would agree with HapE4Me. I don't see it as credible evidence of any such thing.
I do see that we are ALL gullible and subject to being deceived (and conned), especially those of us who bought into Wierwille's fundamentalist bull$hit.
But I try to be more skeptical since I left wayworld more than 30 years ago.
I understand Rocky, I am actually very skeptical myself
Of course sometimes something seems to make a lot of sense at first glance, so I like to put it out there to see what someone else might see that didn't catch my attention
In this case both you and HAPe4me were more skeptical than I, and HAP offered the window reflection suggestion that I hadn't though of, only because the head that popls up seems to be clearly from behind the shuttle, which would make the shuttle a model (or the guy one of the giants from Genesis)
But like I said, there are many other evidences that seem to make sense, here's just one other of the many videos that makes sense to me, I like to hear any suggestions that point to a different conclusions than the ones reached by the authors of the video:
good point, but I don't think it is a reflection on the window, because if it was a reflection, we would probacly be able to see the man's body in the reflection under his head, but it doesn't show, also, it clearly looks like he is behind something black that is behind the shuttle
Also, at 2:40 you can see the faces of both guys in the rear near the windows that open to the shuttle bay
The guy on the left (identified on the audioū as Dick) is wearing glasses with very light colored or clear frames, the guy on the right is not wearing glasses
The guy that pops up on the right side of shuttle is not wearing glasses
But hard to tell exactly where the camera is, and whether the camera is inside shuttle or outside the shuttle
It's a hard call
If there's a way to find out where the camera is located, if it is outside, then of course it could not be a reflection on the window
Either way, like I said to Rocky, this is only just one piece of evidence, difficult to analyze, but there are many other pieces of evidence that point to space fakery, I'll post another video that makes very good points for those interested
you can see more than the head, especially as the video continues to around 3:47. The whiteness of the shuttle hides some of it and the reflection is mainly visible against the black sky. The later segment you pointed out in the OP is even more obviously a reflection
I can't tell if you are serious in this conspiracy theory or just making small talk, feel free to give your thoughts. For me, I put the "fake NASA" stuff right up there with flat earth, chemtrails, inside job on 911, there was no plane that hit the Pentagon etc. (by the way, my brother was a block away from the Pentagon that day. He saw the plane.)
To me it is silliness and a waste of time. I made one comment here (two now), but that will probably be it. It is not a subject of further interest to me, and I really do not spend much time at GSC anymore anyway.
I also forgot to mention that my stepson earned his bachelor's degree in optical science and master's degree in systems engineering and spent a couple of years working for a space contractor in DC, after getting his start as an engineer at a defense contractor in Tucson. In other words, he's a rocket scientist.
I just think the whole subject of NASA staging the moon landing in a TV studio is an incredible con.
If a person dares to consider the exploration drive that's embedded in human DNA, it's not difficult to scoff at those conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, one still must develop a critical basis for understanding how and why genuine space exploration is unavoidable.
I just think the whole subject of NASA staging the moon landing in a TV studio is an incredible con.
I completely agree with you Rocky, NASA staging the moon landing in a TV studio is an incredible con
Just like the Arizona State University diploma-fatory degree-mill conned Starbucks employees into thinking they would get free tuition, and Arizona State University also protected their professor who plagiarized several times, alot of conning going on there, since you live close by, you might want to take a little walk over there and ask them about all their bull$hit cons
By the way, I only used the word bull$hit since you used it first in your reply to me, but I would like to very kindly ask you not to use crude words like bull$hit anymore in your replies to me as those words only serve to degrade the conversation to sewer level, thanks
Glad to hear your friend married an actornaut, maybe you can ask her to set up up a free ride on their fake weightlessness-simulating wire harness system to you can make your own fake weightlessness video too just like NASA does, there are too many official NASA videos that expose their fake weightlessness-simulating wire harness cons to list all of them here, but just to get you started on your search, here is just one of those many fake NASA 'weightlessness' ideos:
It's very easy and lazy to slap a conspiracy theory label on true things that one refuses to accept, and one should be careful how they sloppily slap those labels on anything that they can't refute with evidence and proof, because they will stick just as easily to the fake things they believe in, and that darn adhesive is very hard to get off their hands
Thanks for making my argument for me, and be happy believing in your own conspiracies, no one can take those away from you
Please no more bull$hit please, ok? Let's continue being civil, ok?
Thanks, Rocky
P.S. - I noticed that you didn't say anything about the other video I posted showing no rocket engine burn marks on the moon's surface right under the supposed Lunar Lander?
And no tire tread marks on the moondust where the Lunar Rover was supposedly unloaded onto the moon's surface from the Lunar Landar?
Too much good, hard evidence to keep believing NASA's lies
That's the company that used their FakeCon rocket to launch a Tesla Fraudster into 'space' lol
Oops, sorry, I meant Tesla Roadster
Of course, they miscalculated again like so many times before, and the Roadster is going to overshoot Mars and end up crashing and burning somewhere in the asteroid belt, lol
The Roadster will become a Roaster, just like this:
The SpaceX conspiracy theory burns on, brightly shining
So was their rocket a hoax? Why would they do that? To encourage investors?
If I had been there and seen with my own eyes the rocket launch, I would be able to say it was real
Millions of people believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, because they 'saw' him on TV, but not one of those people who believe were there on the moon
If I had been there and seen with my own eyes the rocket launch, I would be able to say it was real
Millions of people believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, because they 'saw' him on TV, but not one of those people who believe were there on the moon
It's mass delusion
But won't there be lawsuits? Lots of money lost? Will it have a domino effect on the economy like the housing bubble? Should we all feel the effect?
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Rocky
And on the topic of whether or not there has been manned (and womanned) space flight, moon landings, Mars rover landings, exploration of distant planets and other wondrous things, I disagree with your
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Evidence? Seriously?
Sorry if I was being to harsh for you.
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reflection in the glass of the astronaut inside. duh
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Thanks Rocky, I appreciate it
I just want to have civil conversations here with you and everyone else as much as possible
Re: the video, did you get a chance to see it
At the 3:27 point you can see the guy's head pop up on the right side of the "shuttle," which once you see his head, it looks like he accidentally popped up while they were filming and it makes the "shuttle" look like a small model maybe 5 feet long, which would make it fake and the "satellite" that is being "launched" also fake
Then at the 4:10 point, you can see the shuttle but the "earth" in the background is dim, and then it looks like they turned on a studio light, and suddenly, the whole "earth" in the background suddenly lites up, looks fake as heck to me
What do you think?
Have you seen any of the many other videos about fake NASA space videos, like the ones where it is very clear they are using Hollywood-type harnesses to simulate weightlessness?
By the way, when I say evidence, I don't mean proof
To me it's just one piece of evidence, but with all the many other evidences, to me it points towards a proof
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good point, but I don't think it is a reflection on the window, because if it was a reflection, we would probacly be able to see the man's body in the reflection under his head, but it doesn't show, also, it clearly looks like he is behind something black that is behind the shuttle
Also, at 2:40 you can see the faces of both guys in the rear near the windows that open to the shuttle bay
The guy on the left (identified on the audioū as Dick) is wearing glasses with very light colored or clear frames, the guy on the right is not wearing glasses
The guy that pops up on the right side of shuttle is not wearing glasses
But hard to tell exactly where the camera is, and whether the camera is inside shuttle or outside the shuttle
It's a hard call
If there's a way to find out where the camera is located, if it is outside, then of course it could not be a reflection on the window
Either way, like I said to Rocky, this is only just one piece of evidence, difficult to analyze, but there are many other pieces of evidence that point to space fakery, I'll post another video that makes very good points for those interested
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Yes, I saw it.
At best, I would agree with HapE4Me. I don't see it as credible evidence of any such thing.
I do see that we are ALL gullible and subject to being deceived (and conned), especially those of us who bought into Wierwille's fundamentalist bull$hit.
But I try to be more skeptical since I left wayworld more than 30 years ago.
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I understand Rocky, I am actually very skeptical myself
Of course sometimes something seems to make a lot of sense at first glance, so I like to put it out there to see what someone else might see that didn't catch my attention
In this case both you and HAPe4me were more skeptical than I, and HAP offered the window reflection suggestion that I hadn't though of, only because the head that popls up seems to be clearly from behind the shuttle, which would make the shuttle a model (or the guy one of the giants from Genesis)
But like I said, there are many other evidences that seem to make sense, here's just one other of the many videos that makes sense to me, I like to hear any suggestions that point to a different conclusions than the ones reached by the authors of the video:
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you can see more than the head, especially as the video continues to around 3:47. The whiteness of the shuttle hides some of it and the reflection is mainly visible against the black sky. The later segment you pointed out in the OP is even more obviously a reflection
I can't tell if you are serious in this conspiracy theory or just making small talk, feel free to give your thoughts. For me, I put the "fake NASA" stuff right up there with flat earth, chemtrails, inside job on 911, there was no plane that hit the Pentagon etc. (by the way, my brother was a block away from the Pentagon that day. He saw the plane.)
To me it is silliness and a waste of time. I made one comment here (two now), but that will probably be it. It is not a subject of further interest to me, and I really do not spend much time at GSC anymore anyway.
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I guess if you're more interested in talk radio and conspiracy theorists rather than academic research, conspiracy theories might make sense.
But if you spend time thinking about and looking into the big questions that mankind can't help but explore, not so much.
ASU's School of Earth and Space Exploration is walking distance from my house. Real astronauts hang out there.
A good friend of mine married a female astronaut about two years ago.
By any chance, have you read Sapiens yet?
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I also forgot to mention that my stepson earned his bachelor's degree in optical science and master's degree in systems engineering and spent a couple of years working for a space contractor in DC, after getting his start as an engineer at a defense contractor in Tucson. In other words, he's a rocket scientist.
I just think the whole subject of NASA staging the moon landing in a TV studio is an incredible con.
If a person dares to consider the exploration drive that's embedded in human DNA, it's not difficult to scoff at those conspiracy theories. Nevertheless, one still must develop a critical basis for understanding how and why genuine space exploration is unavoidable.
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I completely agree with you Rocky, NASA staging the moon landing in a TV studio is an incredible con
Just like the Arizona State University diploma-fatory degree-mill conned Starbucks employees into thinking they would get free tuition, and Arizona State University also protected their professor who plagiarized several times, alot of conning going on there, since you live close by, you might want to take a little walk over there and ask them about all their bull$hit cons
By the way, I only used the word bull$hit since you used it first in your reply to me, but I would like to very kindly ask you not to use crude words like bull$hit anymore in your replies to me as those words only serve to degrade the conversation to sewer level, thanks
Glad to hear your friend married an actornaut, maybe you can ask her to set up up a free ride on their fake weightlessness-simulating wire harness system to you can make your own fake weightlessness video too just like NASA does, there are too many official NASA videos that expose their fake weightlessness-simulating wire harness cons to list all of them here, but just to get you started on your search, here is just one of those many fake NASA 'weightlessness' ideos:
It's very easy and lazy to slap a conspiracy theory label on true things that one refuses to accept, and one should be careful how they sloppily slap those labels on anything that they can't refute with evidence and proof, because they will stick just as easily to the fake things they believe in, and that darn adhesive is very hard to get off their hands
Thanks for making my argument for me, and be happy believing in your own conspiracies, no one can take those away from you
Please no more bull$hit please, ok? Let's continue being civil, ok?
Thanks, Rocky
P.S. - I noticed that you didn't say anything about the other video I posted showing no rocket engine burn marks on the moon's surface right under the supposed Lunar Lander?
And no tire tread marks on the moondust where the Lunar Rover was supposedly unloaded onto the moon's surface from the Lunar Landar?
Too much good, hard evidence to keep believing NASA's lies
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_private_spaceflight_companies
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I see SpaceX is on that list
That's the company that used their FakeCon rocket to launch a Tesla Fraudster into 'space' lol
Oops, sorry, I meant Tesla Roadster
Of course, they miscalculated again like so many times before, and the Roadster is going to overshoot Mars and end up crashing and burning somewhere in the asteroid belt, lol
The Roadster will become a Roaster, just like this:
The SpaceX conspiracy theory burns on, brightly shining
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Could you explain what is meant by FakeCon?
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Greek transliteration for Falcon
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Bolshevik
Google translator gave me something different. I'm assuming some concept or idea is trying to be expressed. I'm curious to know what that might be.
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Sorry Bolshevik, I was just kidding about the Greek transliteration
FakeCon = Falcon
as in SpaceX's Falcon rocket
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Here's another video on how NASA fakes having astronots in 'space' and 'weighless' using chromakey blue/green screens:
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Consider for a moment the incredibly massive number of individuals that would need to be sworn to secrecy to pull off a conspiracy of this magnitude.
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That's why I was thinking of all the nations and now companies that would suddenly follow NASA's lead. Why would they bother?
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So was their rocket a hoax? Why would they do that? To encourage investors?
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Yep, it's just like Jesus said:
"wide is the gate, and broad isthe way, that leadeth to destruction, and MANY there be which go in thereat" Matt 7
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It's easy to follow a leader, even if he is leading into delusion
Look at how many people invested with Bernie Madoff to the tune of $50 BILLION DOLLARS
Steven Spielberg invested with Bernie, and you would think that Steven Spiellberg would be smarter than that, many smart people were fooled
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If I had been there and seen with my own eyes the rocket launch, I would be able to say it was real
Millions of people believe Neil Armstrong walked on the moon, because they 'saw' him on TV, but not one of those people who believe were there on the moon
It's mass delusion
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But won't there be lawsuits? Lots of money lost? Will it have a domino effect on the economy like the housing bubble? Should we all feel the effect?
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