I think you make a good point there, it reminds me also of how that situation of a 'closed society' is similar also to Washington, D.C., or the Vatican in Rome, Branch Davidians in Waco, Hollywood, maybe even the International Space Station, where a woman astronaut was recently celebrated for (supposedly) spending 666 consecutive days in space, a number which is very interesting...
But there are sometimes good reasons (e.g., economical) why people live in close proximity, but maybe the other side of the coin is an unintended consequence. Remember the news story recently about the family with I think 13 kids living secluded in a house in a normal residential area...
I think you make a good point there, it reminds me also of how that situation of a 'closed society' is similar also to Washington, D.C., or the Vatican in Rome, Branch Davidians in Waco, Hollywood, maybe even the International Space Station, where a woman astronaut was recently celebrated for (supposedly) spending 666 consecutive days in space, a number which is very interesting...
But there are sometimes good reasons (e.g., economical) why people live in close proximity, but maybe the other side of the coin is an unintended consequence. Remember the news story recently about the family with I think 13 kids living secluded in a house in a normal residential area...
But tangible, undeniable consequence nevertheless... though I don't agree with all of the analogues you cited being legitimately comparable.
though I don't agree with all of the analogues you cited being legitimately comparable.
I would be curious to know which of the analogies I cited you would not consider legitimately comparable, and your reasons why, just to understand your reasoning process if you don't mind sharing that
I would be curious to know which of the analogies I cited you would not consider legitimately comparable, and your reasons why, just to understand your reasoning process if you don't mind sharing that
Well, for one, Hollywood isn't quite as closed of a society/subculture even though it may be reasonable to cite some strong common bonds between many people who would be considered part of Hollywood. In twi, I never saw or heard anyone voicing strong feelings about political views contrary to group norms.
In Hollywood, while it may be commonly understood that most of "them" are politically liberal, you still have the James Woods and Jon Voights and (before he passed) Charleton Heston. Who speak/spoke out boldly and emphatically with starkly contrasting views and values.
There's no question that the Branch Davidians were a cult. The Turpins (the 13 kids severely abused) are an extreme example of a closed social group and how tragic it can be.
Also in contrast, the ISS (International Space Station) of course had/has the potential but it's not a closed social group. By virtue of the nature of "international" it has to have openness and communications norms (unwritten rules) and written rules to safeguard both the scientific work and the cooperation between nations.
Back in the 1980s, when I was going to college, I learned in communications classes about group dynamics, specifically that groups small and large go through stages:
Forming, storming, norming, performing.
Groups start for a reason. There develops or exists common interests and goals. But before the group can accomplish its intended purpose, there will be conflict. Among those who stay in the group, they figure out what rules (written or not) that they can live with. Not everyone who's there at the beginning, stays through this stage, but for those who do, they then can accomplish their common objectives and goals.
Unintended consequence comes in when there's no leadership that can wisely guide the group through those stages. Leadership in this context is an intangible concept, not necessarily always provided in the same way in all groups.
Of course there's more to it, but that's the gist.
I would be curious to know which of the analogies I cited you would not consider legitimately comparable, and your reasons why, just to understand your reasoning process if you don't mind sharing that
I'm glad you commented on the sunglasses, chock, because I was too busy watching Cindy rock that brunette 'do to give much thought to the dusty old creeps in the cornfield.
I think you make a good point there, it reminds me also of how that situation of a 'closed society' is similar also to Washington, D.C., or the Vatican in Rome, Branch Davidians in Waco, Hollywood, maybe even the International Space Station, where a woman astronaut was recently celebrated for (supposedly) spending 666 consecutive days in space, a number which is very interesting...
But there are sometimes good reasons (e.g., economical) why people live in close proximity, but maybe the other side of the coin is an unintended consequence. Remember the news story recently about the family with I think 13 kids living secluded in a house in a normal residential area...
Gold, I live in DC, and have been for 20 years. DC is not a"closed society." Not at all!! Some people hate DC, while others like me, love it. People come, and go all the time. DC has a huge transit population, and has since it became the nation's capital, centuries ago. Why would anyone think that DC is a "closed society?"
As the thread originator, I feel such power to take control of the discussion and steer it in the direction I want it to go.
Idaho. Potatoes. B-52's.
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My Own Private Idaho - interpreted, means a personal place of my own making. This place is full of fear of outside influence, growing underground like a potato, leary of strangers. Growing up in my own private Idaho, I developed boundary issues. These boundary issues include confusion over when and how to connect with people. I don't call my friends when I should. I have a hard time setting polite boundaries without it triggering anger issues. Yesterday in the grocery store I was shopping in front of a cooler, and a lady came up and said "hey can I just reach in front of you for something". It triggered me. I didn't say anything to her, but made some angry comment to my kid. My kid corrected me. "That's not even that big of a deal".
So how does one deal with one's own Private Idaho?
I literally had a really cool conversation with a friend of mine yesterday on this topic, yet indirectly. She was telling me that how she knows what to focus on when deciding what to work on regarding herself and self improvement is by monitoring what she accuses others of. She said she is aware of the truth that when you point a finger at others 4 are pointing back at you, so she actually uses that as a form of self-regulation. I thought to myself. Smack the forehead. GENIUS. I'm going to try that too starting this week.
Now while this topic has some really nice personal relevance for me above - this is really what I like to gain out of conversations here, I also was pointing out the fact that the Way operates as its own Private Idaho, while masquerading as a worldwide ministry.
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Hi Chockfull,
I think you make a good point there, it reminds me also of how that situation of a 'closed society' is similar also to Washington, D.C., or the Vatican in Rome, Branch Davidians in Waco, Hollywood, maybe even the International Space Station, where a woman astronaut was recently celebrated for (supposedly) spending 666 consecutive days in space, a number which is very interesting...
But there are sometimes good reasons (e.g., economical) why people live in close proximity, but maybe the other side of the coin is an unintended consequence. Remember the news story recently about the family with I think 13 kids living secluded in a house in a normal residential area...
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But tangible, undeniable consequence nevertheless... though I don't agree with all of the analogues you cited being legitimately comparable.
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I would be curious to know which of the analogies I cited you would not consider legitimately comparable, and your reasons why, just to understand your reasoning process if you don't mind sharing that
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Well, for one, Hollywood isn't quite as closed of a society/subculture even though it may be reasonable to cite some strong common bonds between many people who would be considered part of Hollywood. In twi, I never saw or heard anyone voicing strong feelings about political views contrary to group norms.
In Hollywood, while it may be commonly understood that most of "them" are politically liberal, you still have the James Woods and Jon Voights and (before he passed) Charleton Heston. Who speak/spoke out boldly and emphatically with starkly contrasting views and values.
There's no question that the Branch Davidians were a cult. The Turpins (the 13 kids severely abused) are an extreme example of a closed social group and how tragic it can be.
Also in contrast, the ISS (International Space Station) of course had/has the potential but it's not a closed social group. By virtue of the nature of "international" it has to have openness and communications norms (unwritten rules) and written rules to safeguard both the scientific work and the cooperation between nations.
Back in the 1980s, when I was going to college, I learned in communications classes about group dynamics, specifically that groups small and large go through stages:
Forming, storming, norming, performing.
Groups start for a reason. There develops or exists common interests and goals. But before the group can accomplish its intended purpose, there will be conflict. Among those who stay in the group, they figure out what rules (written or not) that they can live with. Not everyone who's there at the beginning, stays through this stage, but for those who do, they then can accomplish their common objectives and goals.
Unintended consequence comes in when there's no leadership that can wisely guide the group through those stages. Leadership in this context is an intangible concept, not necessarily always provided in the same way in all groups.
Of course there's more to it, but that's the gist.
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Btw, thanks for asking.
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I was going to try to say something deep and meaningful but I just like the drummer's sunglasses. And nobody is more mod squad than the B52s.
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I'm glad you commented on the sunglasses, chock, because I was too busy watching Cindy rock that brunette 'do to give much thought to the dusty old creeps in the cornfield.
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Gold, I live in DC, and have been for 20 years. DC is not a"closed society." Not at all!! Some people hate DC, while others like me, love it. People come, and go all the time. DC has a huge transit population, and has since it became the nation's capital, centuries ago. Why would anyone think that DC is a "closed society?"
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As the thread originator, I feel such power to take control of the discussion and steer it in the direction I want it to go.
Idaho. Potatoes. B-52's.
Yes.
My Own Private Idaho - interpreted, means a personal place of my own making. This place is full of fear of outside influence, growing underground like a potato, leary of strangers. Growing up in my own private Idaho, I developed boundary issues. These boundary issues include confusion over when and how to connect with people. I don't call my friends when I should. I have a hard time setting polite boundaries without it triggering anger issues. Yesterday in the grocery store I was shopping in front of a cooler, and a lady came up and said "hey can I just reach in front of you for something". It triggered me. I didn't say anything to her, but made some angry comment to my kid. My kid corrected me. "That's not even that big of a deal".
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So how does one deal with one's own Private Idaho?
I literally had a really cool conversation with a friend of mine yesterday on this topic, yet indirectly. She was telling me that how she knows what to focus on when deciding what to work on regarding herself and self improvement is by monitoring what she accuses others of. She said she is aware of the truth that when you point a finger at others 4 are pointing back at you, so she actually uses that as a form of self-regulation. I thought to myself. Smack the forehead. GENIUS. I'm going to try that too starting this week.
Now while this topic has some really nice personal relevance for me above - this is really what I like to gain out of conversations here, I also was pointing out the fact that the Way operates as its own Private Idaho, while masquerading as a worldwide ministry.
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