How To Start A Cult Properly

[TLC]

This, from their doctrinal statement page, WW.

(still a very far cry from Geerite stuff.  Evidently the site you reference appears to be a part of http://stlouisbiblefellowship.net/ )  
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The Godhead

There is One God, manifested in three Persons: Father, Son, and Holy Spirit (Genesis 1:26; Deuteronomy 6:4; Isaiah 48:16; Mark 1:10-11; John 1:1, John 1:14; Colossians 1:15-19, Colossians 2:9).

The Person of Christ

Jesus Christ was begotten by the Holy Spirit and born of the Virgin Mary and is true God and true man (Luke 1:35; Romans 1:3-4).

 

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A Ministry of St. Louis Bible Fellowship at St. Louis        

 

[johniam]

20 hours ago, chockfull said:

So johniam.  Would you say that Chris Geer has changed from all of the depravity of his past?  I would have a really hard time trying to see how this wasn't putting new wine in old wineskins.  I don't see how a man who served as a complete VPW yes-man, including playing a part in the sexual abuse of young women, and then doing a power grab like he did, is a genuine Christian minister.  

While I am thankful there are Christian fellowships out there who take care of each other like you described with your fellowship's finances in an emergency, I do not support or condone the enablement of sycophants placing themselves at the top of a hierarchy of a new cult.  And if teachings, research, works are based upon VPW, it is definitely a new cult. 

I don't know anything about the so called "depravity of his past". Never met the guy.

[johniam]

18 hours ago, Twinky said:

TLC, I found this by just putting the name Johniam quoted in Google search box: http://stlouisbiblefellowship.net/

But I suspect it might be some other organization.  Doesn't look Geerite.

 

Johniam - I'd really have doubts about hanging out with a Geerite group.  After the ***disgusting*** and belittling way he treated the European believers when he'd been exiled out of the USA, and the devastation that he caused at HQ, I simply do not think the man can be trusted.  His ego is so huge that ... well, faith can move mountains.  But it doesn't move CG.  His ego must be much bigger than a mountain.

Wow. I never heard of the St. Louis Bible Fellowship from that link. Coincidence, I guess.

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/21/2017 at 11:09 AM, OldSkool said:

Pretty cool illustration of how donations should be used to help meet peoples needs.

I was in twi from 1996 to 2008. ANY and ALL donations went to HQ. Money needed within the regions was allocated by HQ and sparingly at that. Twi hoards money for the sheer greed of it. Barely any monetary compensation is sent to non-salaried way corps to cover expenses incurred while doing ministry business. Those who ask for money are heavily discouraged from doing so by their limb or region leadrship. The bone heads running the show at HQ figure theyve taught people how to fish instead of giving them the fish they need. Law of believing / tithing /abs / plurality giving. Sink or swim in other words. The Way International is highly reprobate when it comes to using donations to help those in need.

Wow!  I was in TWI from 1978-1988, and I never knew HQ to ever help anyone at all!  Never!

[Thomas Loy Bumgarner]

I believe that St. Louis Theological Seminary is the old Eden Seminary from the UCC

[johniam]

I asked the guys about this. Nobody heard of it. Not a big deal. I read some comments on their website and I wondered if there might be some ex wafers there. Someone used the phrase 'rightly dividing the word' and I don't hear that from many non twi believers, but nothing about manifestations of the spirit or anything else that would be a dead giveaway that it was twi related.

But, really, CG does not try to be the MOGFODAT. He does classes, teachings, and print material, but he lets local leaders alone. We have access to people like Walter Cummins, but we all are allowed to have lives.

[T-Bone]

Wanted: cult leader - no experience necessary - but lack of scruples a plus; proficient in The Word wierwille 1.0; must be willing to travel and mooch off fan base; must excel at perpetuating existing schemes and generating new ones and be committed to maintaining the highest security standards for lockboxes and coverups; perks include raping and pillaging loyal followers (with gender of your choice); salary commensurate with cutthroat experience.

[JayDee]

2 minutes ago, T-Bone said:

Wanted: cult leader - no experience necessary - but lack of scruples a plus; proficient in The Word wierwille 1.0; must be willing to travel and mooch off fan base; must excel at perpetuating existing schemes and generating new ones and be committed to maintaining the highest security standards for lockboxes and coverups; perks include raping and pillaging loyal followers (with gender of your choice); salary commensurate with cutthroat experience.

LOL‼️

[T-Bone]

For Sale: Cult leader with dwindling fan base looking to sell one overworked motor-coach; uniquely designed interior with extra storage space for an exceedingly abundant supply of liquor, Roofies, and MREs (note: these items are sold separately), and includes classic entertainment system (Beta-max Video Tape Player); equipped with luxurious Sofa Fold-Out Bed  (hole in mattress has been repaired); sports a vintage rear bumper sticker “If this van’s a-rockin’ don’t come a-knockin’ ”; custom exterior lettering in need of repair, currently reads “Go _  _less _ _ _  Abundantly”; will consider the "best" offer or trade for Volkswagen minibus.

Edited June 27, 2017 by T-Bone
clarity and hilarity

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 6/26/2017 at 9:44 AM, T-Bone said:

Wanted: cult leader - no experience necessary - but lack of scruples a plus; proficient in The Word wierwille 1.0; must be willing to travel and mooch off fan base; must excel at perpetuating existing schemes and generating new ones and be committed to maintaining the highest security standards for lockboxes and coverups; perks include raping and pillaging loyal followers (with gender of your choice); salary commensurate with cutthroat experience.

And you can use the ABS as your personal Piggy Bank!!  And you can cheat on your spouse, as often as you like!!  

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/23/2017 at 7:13 AM, johniam said:

I don't know anything about the so called "depravity of his past". Never met the guy.

John, I never meant the man either, but I do read about him, quite a bit, here at the spot.  I personally do not want to fellowship with someone who "packs heat."   I have serious concerns about a man who would help another man rape women.  I have never met him, but I would prefer not too.  Just my opinion.

[Grace Valerie Claire]

22 hours ago, T-Bone said:

For Sale: Cult leader with dwindling fan base looking to sell one overworked motor-coach; uniquely designed interior with extra storage space for an exceedingly abundant supply of liquor, Roofies, and MREs (note: these items are sold separately), and includes classic entertainment system (Beta-max Video Tape Player); equipped with luxurious Sofa Fold-Out Bed  (hole in mattress has been repaired); sports a vintage rear bumper sticker “If this van’s a-rockin’ don’t come a-knockin’ ”; custom exterior lettering in need of repair, currently reads “Go _  _less _ _ _  Abundantly”; will consider the "best" offer or trade for Volkswagen minibus.

T-Bone, please save me the MREs!!!  My brother was in the Army, and he gave me a few to eat.  Some of them were really good!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/11/2017 at 1:30 PM, chockfull said:

Hello all.  With everything that is going on, it seems like there is an ongoing need in the household of God, body of Christ, group of disgruntled ex-way people.

We want to leave a cult, but we are too brainwashed by the cult to collaborate with other human beings with similar interests like the Bible, God, and Christianity.  Because it is way too hard to communicate with folks like this and peddle our influence, we really need to stick to folks that are similarly brainwashed to ourselves.  So, the only logical conclusion left is we need to start our own cult.  

For all the people like this, I am starting this thread.

Chock, I think I had this discussion on another thread.  I would like to join your cult, but I want to handle the money!!  That way, I can "shop, till I drop", go to Europe, whenever I want, buy expensive homes, and cars, ect.  

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/11/2017 at 2:15 PM, T-Bone said:

Order the Cult starter kit – call now, (smooth) operators are standing by

 

 

Call in the next 10 millennium and you’ll also receive:

 

 

Crash-course in personality make-over: become that charming narcissistic megalomaniac that you’ve always wanted to be!

 

 

Lessons in Lockbox Logistics: learn the complex operation of hiding bodies, crimes, misdemeanors, witnesses, and more!

 

 

Buzzword Generator app: puts you in the driver seat of any conversation!

 

 

Original Research Sampling Techniques: who thought of it first? Who cares!?!? Plagiarism smagiarism.

 

 

Autographed copy of “How I Did It” by Elmer Gantry.

 

 

Now how much do you think a minimum required donation would be for all of the above?  

 

 

Well, the next caller who really believes they can’t start a cult without all of this $hit stuff will also receive the book “How to Sin Against Friends and Compromise Scruples”.

 

 

T-Bone, do we get to watch Porn Videos, and throw temper tantrums like VPW did??!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/11/2017 at 7:21 PM, Twinky said:

Don't forget to write your own handbook, "Power for Abundant Luring."

Twinky, yes!!  Of course!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/12/2017 at 7:01 PM, T-Bone said:

Cult starting tip Number Two:

 

 

People generally like the feeling that they belong to something exclusive; that’s why it’s important to establish a secret handshake or some unique salutation – like “greet each other with a holy fart” for example. It will also help to identify unbelievers.

 

 

It is also wise to set up protocols at the start of your cult. Using the above example of holy farts, you should declare that fart lighting (pyro-flatulence) should be reserved for introducing the cult leader or other big stinkers. And while we’re talking about this particular greeting you should also issue a directive that would tell followers to mark and avoid any person in attendance that actually lets one slip out (aka dropping a deuce, manifesting # 2, ectoplasm of the drawers).

 

 

Illustrating the above example is a home fellowship coordinator introducing France’s Country Coordinator Rev. Toot of De Loom:

T-Bone, yes!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/13/2017 at 8:15 PM, Junior Corps Surviver said:

It’s crossed my mind that if I were that twisted, which I am not because I am not a psychopath, I have all the tools, experience and knowledge to start my own cult. How easy it would be to do that rather than get a job. It wouldn’t be hard to find the local lonesome people who need a purpose in life and who have jobs so they can give me 15% of their income. I went WOW three times, I am good at that. No disrespect to the lonesome people but that’s who we sold the class to the fastest. That’s who came for the kisses and free coffee cake. I can’t imagine, as a father today, allowing active drug addicts, homeless people and someone I met at the laundry mat into my house where my kids are living their lives. The whole thing is so weird. But anyway, yes let’s start a cult. I can help you. 

Jr., sounds good to me!!  Our cult will need money, a lot of it.  You can join our cult!  Do you know any other suckers who would like to join??!!  Please bring them!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/13/2017 at 2:40 PM, Bolshevik said:

That reminds me T-Bone,

Some good examples of applying God's Turd can be found in T.P. and Me

Such as how to S.Q.U.A.T . . . which is S.I.T. for the other end.

How the Bottom End justifies the Mean

That love is like a fart, if you force it, it's poo.

and other sweet smelling savors

 

Bol, if you hear someone laughing, it will be me!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/13/2017 at 5:54 PM, Twinky said:

You're all being very unkind.  Do you need a refresher of the Inter-mean-iate class?

Twinky, yes!!  You are so funny!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/13/2017 at 8:22 PM, waysider said:

"It wouldn’t be hard to find the local lonesome people who need a purpose in life and who have jobs so they can give me 15% of their income."

 

I think this hits on an aspect of The Way that at lot of people miss. It wasn't about the bible. it wasn't about helping others. It wasn't even about the money they made from the class. It was about bringing people to a level of commitment that would have them freely giving 15% (or more) of every paycheck...week after week, month after month, year after year. That was the big plan. (as I see it.)

Way, that is true!!  If I had the money now that I gave TWI, I could own my own my home, or business.  

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/14/2017 at 8:49 AM, waysider said:

Upper leadership knew the retention rate of new recruits was abysmal. That's why they pushed so hard to run more and more people through the class. It's like fishing. You cast your line countless times in expectation of an eventually successful catch. It also explains why the *donation* (price) fluctuated so widely over the years. It was adjusted to suit whatever the market would bear, not to fill a profit expectation. As recruiters, we were an unpaid sales force, working without commission. Last I heard, The Way is sitting on about a 60 million dollar nest egg. Peanuts in today's economy. Nothing to take lightly, though.

Way, if TWI should fold, what would happen to the $$$???

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/14/2017 at 3:03 AM, Junior Corps Surviver said:

I distinctly remember our WOW Home being reproved for not having enough students. We basically had to fill a quota or risk being “off the word”. My house was regularly full of people you would never want in your home. At the root of Christianity that should be OK as a pure heart should want to help anyone who needs help. But we had people coming over that you would never want near your kids. I was especially upset by the class we ran that featured people from the local (and I am quoting as a matter of fact) the “reatarded adult home”. I mean, where do you draw the line? These people couldn’t read, they could not stop talking and could not stop disrupting the class. Of course they couldn’t. They all had Down Syndrome. It was great to want to help them but we took their money for the class and to me that was wrong. 

I went WOW three times. In those three years we had maybe 3 people who stuck with TWI, took all the classes and became full time believers (out of hundreds of people who took PFAL) 

 Of course we had a 100% session SIT rate. ;) The worst part is we believed it. 

Jr., how sad!!  Those poor adults!!  The lies TWI told their people; they were off the Word, not you!!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/19/2017 at 7:04 PM, T-Bone said:

whaaaaa...??? we haven't even had our first Racket of the Ages festival yet...hmmmm....ok...fine....be that way...

...guess I'll go with plan B - -  and start my own splinter group Revival and Regurgitation.

T-Bone, please honey, I am glad I live alone!!  If I had a roommate, I would probably be taken to the Funny Farm!!

[Grace Valerie Claire]

On 5/22/2017 at 7:44 AM, johniam said:

It's affiliated with Chris Geer. The whole scene is a lot less invasive than twi was (especially the last 5 yrs I was in twi (89-94))

John, if you like it, that's great!! But, I would prefer not to attend any group affiliated with CG.  Just my opinion.

[T-Bone]

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