Yeah..........and how many intimidating threats went out from the REGION GUYS?
Like ALWAYS..........it's the region guys who are hardened sycophants in the cult; the intimidators. Lots of folks who would otherwise have listened to this presentation and open forum of Q&A.......will choose to avoid the confrontation.
A ruthless cult..........seeks submission as its goal.
Just had an amusing thought. How the f is jydl gonna rally the troops? His public speaking skills are on par with rivenbark's - a real yawn fest. Nothing to follow nothing charismatic. Egads!
It's interesting to me to note, that the smarmiest, sickening Wierwille worship sites are run by ECU vets. Many of them continue to have their "spirituality" based on the BS they picked up in the corpses they were in. I'll just mention a couple.
"rev" Gerry Wrenn, john lynn, earl burton, george hendley. Though not from ECU, bo reahard sends out smarmy garbage in the form of these long, king James English prayers on FB. Randy Anderson was hooked up with Michael Rood in the 90s until the end of the world they "prophesied" would happen on 1/1/2000, never did. Randy publicly admitted he was wrong, apoligized, and moved on. Rood still runs his Hebrew Roots "ministry" which many ex-wayfers follow (Hebrew Roots movement) follow in one cult or another. And now.....Boob and Doody Moneyhands themselves! The way home and limp coordinators of NC '71-'72, until they carried out their first TWI hit on Steve Heefner and The Way East in March, 1972. They've been the TWIt "cleaners", like Mr. Wolf in Pulp Fiction, ever since! Counseling people who committed suicide because of sexual abuse by some MOGGIE, then lied to everyone publicly to cover for whomever needed it, from dictor paul, to da forehead, to Rosie and Donna, and even themselves! Remember "the rod of correction" that they kept screaming about so Way corpse would engage in child abuse and even physical abuse of their own children?! Everywhere there was a major disaster Boob and Doody and their smarmy BS went in and covered up and paid off who ever needed to be. And, they ALL kissed geer's ass while he was their profit and their gawd! The Moneyhands are pimps and whores. They are liars. They are adulterers. They helped drive women to suicide with their "lockbox" counseling. They ran the corpse at Rome City just like the Nazi prison camp it was, and they did so gleefully from a balcony of pathological privilege. They are among the worst of the anti-Christ slime that Wierwille ever produced. They are worth no prayer or pity imo. They have proven themselves "throughly reprobate" with consciences "seared with a hot iron". Why else would they still be promoting dictor paul's anti-Christian doctrines and ministry??? Must need a bigger cash flow now that they're retired! Time to start an offshoot to keep that ECU way home goin' strong, and the $$ rolling in. TWI is dead! So are the wierwilleites. They are starting to really stink.
It's on FB in a closed group event page. I don't know how to share it if it's available at all to do so.
If it was on YouTube, I'd share it.
Overall, having endured the entire 59 minutes, I'd say the panel is puffed up about their own importance, naive about whether they could make a positive impact on TWI and/or in denial about what seems like the natural result being to start another splinter group.
For me, having been out of the cult for 30 years, it all seemed quaint.
Nothing in the video changed my view that their endeavor is Sisyphean.
The saddest thing about the entire affair is that there may be a thousand or more people cluelessly hoping that this group may actually bring about restoration and revival of TWI.
If there is to be a revival of any kind, wouldn't it be God's prerogative rather than that of a bunch of people who committed their adult lives in service to the narcissistic subculture started by a minor megalomaniac?
In FB threads on the event page (where the video rests), people are longingly asking for disclosure of the the documents sent to the (as one GSCer said last night) Board of Dummies. Yet, those documents have already been posted here.
Now, if I were to respond to those FB threads with that insight, I'd probably be banned from that event group.
It also occurs to me that the quaintness and apparent deficiencies in understanding the dilemmas they (the panelists in the video and perhaps also the rest of the signers of the documents sent to the BOD) face is a very sad manifestation of stifling the inquisitiveness of sixty-somethings for more than three decades.
The only thing these people seem to know, and the only language they use, is right out of PFLAP and Wierwille's teachings of the Bible.
The best thing that could happen to/for any of them is to come to the realization that humanity/society left them behind.
I learned long ago (but still, AFTER I left TWI) that I don't know nearly as much as I need to know. Fast forward to recognition that knowledge among humans is growing at an amazing rate (geometric, perhaps) and that I needed to adopt a lifelong learning mindset. That's why I read. But if all one reads is TWI drivel, how can they expect different results?
That's not to say I'm better than them... they're still breathing, so they can decide to break out of the box of their mental and emotional prisons and start learning what else there is to learn.
So, for The Way Cult, damage control means to cut the R&R leaders off. But for the R&R leaders, damage control may mean they need to break out of those mental/emotional/social prisons.
The fact that they have grown dissatisfied with The Way Cult is a good first step.
The entire affair is sad and im so thankful i got out when i did. Its been nearly ten years since i left after fighting with rosalie and john rupp for a year and a half. To see the same $hit rear its ugly head again makes me extra thankful my son does not know any of these people.
The happiest thought I had driving out of NK on 12/14/1986, was that none of my children would ever again be exposed to, or imposed upon by a mindless, fundamentalist, destructive cult of personality like TWIt. And, in addition, they'd never become cult bait in their lives. Their normal early childhood development, the positive benefits and fun from socialization with a diverse community of fellow humans, and their PUBLIC EDUCATION sparked the curiosity and necessary determination to make their lives meaningful in reality, and to develope an acute social conscience and awareness of the good helping others brings to community and themselves.
None of these legends in their own mind, like moneyhands er al, ever escaped the forced adolescence shoved upon them by Wierwille's Nazi style indoctrination/"training". The normal process of human development according to Piaget, is an 8 course cycle. Adolescence is phase 4, and averages between ages 12-20. The next phase, 5, is Identity Formation, one of the most critical of the phases, since what you are and determine to be as an individual human being is developed during this phase. Average ages for this stage are 21-32. The reason it is crucial to force "volunteers" to stay in extended adolescence is that it prevents volunteers from developing their own individual, unique identity, and thereby a purpose for their being. Wierwille kept "his keeds" in extended adolescence until his "teaching and training" coerced the volunteers to adopt an identity wholly beneficial to WEIRWILLE'S needs and wants above all others, including themselves. People like Moneyhands, Snorky and Patty Fay Roberts, the Fredericks, or the Horneys never made it out of that prolonged adolescence, so they never developed an authentic individual identity of self. Rather, they were taught that "self" was not Christian. Self is ego, pride, entitlement, and WRONG. Losing yourself in "the ministry" or "giving yourself to God", or devoting yourself to "living the corpse principles" forever, is RIGHT. So, wierwille kept his keeds "stoopeed" until their identity was "you're my corps, damnit!". Perfect for "a lifetime of service" to dictor Paul and his minus-try. But, not very healthy for those who accept it and strive to keep it until they die!
So, in effect, what you have in this R'n'R cult is a bunch of 20 year olds figuring out that "the man" has been ripping them off for 40 years and NOW they're pissed! Well honey boo boo......too bad! It's too late! You all are in that stage of finding meaning and purpose to your life now that you're retired or getting close. No more sucking off mama TWI's teats anymore either! If you're not retired you will be fired and promptly M&A'd. A 65 year old adolescent trying to figure out the meaning of life after having wasted most of their own.
So? What to do? Start your own business.......excuse me......church so you can do the work you've been trained to do. Manufacture "spiritual needs" in peoples' lives that only you and your "Word" can meet. Manufacture false questions, alternative facts, and truthful hyperbole that only YOU and "the Word"can answer and explain. Manufacture a spayshull new nuclear family of "likeminded believers", and make it even more spayshull and holy by calling it "the real household of Gawd". Maintain the exclusivity and exceptionalism of this "household" through complete, direct control of thinking AND behavior. Keep the "household" away from other sources, media, education, and most importantly other "Christians" and all churches! Make them fear da Debbil and debbil spurts, our invisible enemies which seem to be more omnipresent than God himself!! LOL! Again, the only way you can deal with da Debbil is by taking the ADVANCED CLASS! The one for "adult Christians" only! Again, learned helplessness, which makes life outside the "household" unbearable and impossible! Any one see some recognizable patterns here??
i have no sympathy for moneyhands or any of the self-serving frauds who signed that wayspeak much ado about nothing. It's just another tempest in their ever-shrinking TWIt teacup. They don't like not being able to tell everybody they're possessed or how to live their lives, raise their kids, and spend their precious time. Their way Corpse ministers after all. The cream of the crap, accepting "the charge of their faddah in da woid" to protect da woid, da woid, and nothing but da woid until they die! How very noble. How completely misguided and insane.
My final word to these turds? Too effing bad! You're too late, too stupid, too dumb, and too immature to change anything. You invited 1400 people to your dog and pony show yesterday morning. That's like one snowflake in a blinding 4' blizzard. Nobody outside that 1400 gives a rat's ass about your minus-try, or your sudden enlightenment. Nobody who has been abused by you Nazis will ever care until YOU fuckers repent, apologize, and make restitution to those you have despitefully used through your years of "serving gawd and the household"! It's been 40 years so far. No one's holding their breath. Crawl back under your slimy rocks and STFU. Bless you!
The happiest thought I had driving out of NK on 12/14/1986, was that none of my children would ever again be exposed to, or imposed upon by a mindless, fundamentalist, destructive cult of personality like TWIt. And, in addition, they'd never become cult bait in their lives. Their normal early childhood development, the positive benefits and fun from socialization with a diverse community of fellow humans, and their PUBLIC EDUCATION sparked the curiosity and necessary determination to make their lives meaningful in reality, and to develope an acute social conscience and awareness of the good helping others brings to community and themselves.
None of these legends in their own mind, like moneyhands er al, ever escaped the forced adolescence shoved upon them by Wierwille's Nazi style indoctrination/"training". The normal process of human development according to Piaget, is an 8 course cycle. Adolescence is phase 4, and averages between ages 12-20. The next phase, 5, is Identity Formation, one of the most critical of the phases, since what you are and determine to be as an individual human being is developed during this phase. Average ages for this stage are 21-32. The reason it is crucial to force "volunteers" to stay in extended adolescence is that it prevents volunteers from developing their own individual, unique identity, and thereby a purpose for their being. Wierwille kept "his keeds" in extended adolescence until his "teaching and training" coerced the volunteers to adopt an identity wholly beneficial to WEIRWILLE'S needs and wants above all others, including themselves. People like Moneyhands, Snorky and Patty Fay Roberts, the Fredericks, or the Horneys never made it out of that prolonged adolescence, so they never developed an authentic individual identity of self. Rather, they were taught that "self" was not Christian. Self is ego, pride, entitlement, and WRONG. Losing yourself in "the ministry" or "giving yourself to God", or devoting yourself to "living the corpse principles" forever, is RIGHT. So, wierwille kept his keeds "stoopeed" until their identity was "you're my corps, damnit!". Perfect for "a lifetime of service" to dictor Paul and his minus-try. But, not very healthy for those who accept it and strive to keep it until they die!
So, in effect, what you have in this R'n'R cult is a bunch of 20 year olds figuring out that "the man" has been ripping them off for 40 years and NOW they're ....ed! Well honey boo boo......too bad! It's too late! You all are in that stage of finding meaning and purpose to your life now that you're retired or getting close. No more sucking off mama TWI's teats anymore either! If you're not retired you will be fired and promptly M&A'd. A 65 year old adolescent trying to figure out the meaning of life after having wasted most of their own.
So? What to do? Start your own business.......excuse me......church so you can do the work you've been trained to do. Manufacture "spiritual needs" in peoples' lives that only you and your "Word" can meet. Manufacture false questions, alternative facts, and truthful hyperbole that only YOU and "the Word"can answer and explain. Manufacture a spayshull new nuclear family of "likeminded believers", and make it even more spayshull and holy by calling it "the real household of Gawd". Maintain the exclusivity and exceptionalism of this "household" through complete, direct control of thinking AND behavior. Keep the "household" away from other sources, media, education, and most importantly other "Christians" and all churches! Make them fear da Debbil and debbil spurts, our invisible enemies which seem to be more omnipresent than God himself!! LOL! Again, the only way you can deal with da Debbil is by taking the ADVANCED CLASS! The one for "adult Christians" only! Again, learned helplessness, which makes life outside the "household" unbearable and impossible! Any one see some recognizable patterns here??
i have no sympathy for moneyhands or any of the self-serving frauds who signed that wayspeak much ado about nothing. It's just another tempest in their ever-shrinking TWIt teacup. They don't like not being able to tell everybody they're possessed or how to live their lives, raise their kids, and spend their precious time. Their way Corpse ministers after all. The cream of the crap, accepting "the charge of their faddah in da woid" to protect da woid, da woid, and nothing but da woid until they die! How very noble. How completely misguided and insane.
My final word to these turds? Too effing bad! You're too late, too stupid, too dumb, and too immature to change anything. You invited 1400 people to your dog and pony show yesterday morning. That's like one snowflake in a blinding 4' blizzard. Nobody outside that 1400 gives a rat's foot about your minus-try, or your sudden enlightenment. Nobody who has been abused by you Nazis will ever care until YOU ....ers repent, apologize, and make restitution to those you have despitefully used through your years of "serving gawd and the household"! It's been 40 years so far. No one's holding their breath. Crawl back under your slimy rocks and STFU. Bless you!
I've got to say that even though you didn't get to view the video, you have them pegged pretty well.
Thanks Rocky. To quote Jimi: "Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have!"
I can smell their hypocrisy and their death-dealing doctrines a mile away, as can you and must of us greasespotters. Thanks for all the info you've provided for us here at the 17 year old best cafe on the internet!
Lots of good points there, DWBH..............thanks.
Phase 5, Identity Formation, average age 21-32..............yep.
5 hours ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:
So, in effect, what you have in this R'n'R cult is a bunch of 20 year olds figuring out that "the man" has been ripping them off for 40 years and NOW they're ....ed! Well honey boo boo......too bad! It's too late! You all are in that stage of finding meaning and purpose to your life now that you're retired or getting close. No more sucking off mama TWI's teats anymore either! If you're not retired you will be fired and promptly M&A'd. A 65 year old adolescent trying to figure out the meaning of life after having wasted most of their own.
Imo........this R'n'R group is in the second stage of grief/loss [.... 1)denial, 2)anger, 3)bargaining, 4)depression, and 5)acceptance....]
.....but their "anger" is misplaced and, for now, directed at Rosalie/Rupp/De Lisle.
They still hold to wierwille/pfal nostalgia..........and have NOT processed the deep, destructive cult underpinnings that is hiding below the surface. Someday, down the road..... perhaps, many of them might begin the critical thinking process to unravel how they got duped and suckered into a cult, but for now their minds just can't grasp it. One of the last acknowledgements for many to see is that wierwille was a scheming, plagiarist fraud who built his minus-try on a plagiarist patchwork of other preachers.....and his doctorate was from a bogus, degree mill in Colorado.
I seriously doubt that many on this list would want to rev-up a splinter group and start leading songs again. But maybe a couple diehards in the group will do home fellowships for a few years.............keeping the motion going.
Wouldn't it be a hoot......if some actually found their way to GSC.......and posted.
More than likely........as this R&R group grapples with their new surroundings, the VPW-MOG scales will fall from their eyes. Slowly, but surely........many of them too will come to grips with the deception, manipulation and exploitation.
Clearly, there is hardly room for ANOTHER splinter group that holds allegiance to wierwille..............is there?
Room for another splinter group? Of course there is. This is a big country! I hear there's a small group gathering hoping to establish the good old Way days on another farm in Ohio run by R. Zel*v. But it sounds like peanuts compared with this outfit. Or maybe they'll join together. TWI mind control, in my opinion, runs deep amongst them all ... I knew many of them back in the day.
From seven page doc -- "Understand also, that we are not going away. This is our ministry at stake and we will not go quietly into the night. Efforts to “drop from The Way Corps” those who are confronting this leadership dilemma will no longer be acknowledged."
They intend to splinter. Like, in your thumb. Where it keep breaking apart under the skin.
From seven page doc -- "Understand also, that we are not going away. This is our ministry at stake and we will not go quietly into the night. Efforts to “drop from The Way Corps” those who are confronting this leadership dilemma will no longer be acknowledged."
They intend to splinter. Like, in your thumb. Where it keep breaking apart under the skin.
It's like Joseph Smith or something. I mean the cult MOG impression VPW left was branded so deep like Joseph Smith that every jack Mormon who wanted to start his own harem and own land would branch out at the root and denounce the heavy hand of the authoritarian LDS leadership and cite Joseph Smith.
I know a fair majority of that R&R group (even though was blissfully unaware of their collaboration and development). They are all complicit in the Way's atrocities and have participated in one way or another for years. Now that it affects them they start an uprising. Not when they were tools in affecting others. Then they were all on R&R - turning a blind eye, enjoying the fruits of all their developed relationships within.
What follows next? A means to continue the revenue stream so that slinging BS can continue as a profession. CFFM2. STFFi4.0. Another V2P2 ranch.
Gag me with an old wineskin.
Oh and the Way? Whenever an enlightened fool arises and departs , there is always another unenlightened fool ready to step up and be another brick in the wall.
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R n R...Ream' em 'n Rape' em? I mean, come on...the people on that list are suddenly awakened to all the evil of the past 40+ years? Give me a break. Try Repent 'n Restitution, for starters, s
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Well.......for what its worth, here is how it comes across to me: Many of these folks are near retirement or retired......and it galls them to "jump thru the hoops any longer." To them,
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Hot d@mn. Seems to be the cycle of human stupidity coming back around for another pass. What have we got here? The "Unpassing of the Matriarch" ??? Sounds like a flow problem. You know,
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Of course.
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Just had an amusing thought. How the f is jydl gonna rally the troops? His public speaking skills are on par with rivenbark's - a real yawn fest. Nothing to follow nothing charismatic. Egads!
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Yeah.......it's obvious to you and me.
But..........it STILL alludes so many who have the cult's tentacles wrapped around their brain cells.
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No question about that.
This panel spent time denying the intent to start a splinter group. However, they have to realize they all are going to ultimately be M&A.
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Can anyone answer this?
Are Gary and Patricia Frederick still working on staff at hq? Gary worked in the Legal Department......IIRC.
That 7-page letter noted some specific demotions and run-ins with Rosalie.....with implication that Gary was demoted or something.
What a life-changer if the whole bunch is black-listed m/a............
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Long gone... S Steciw Legal now
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Fired? Demoted? Retired?
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NC (I think) and retired
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Is there a link to this video?
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It's interesting to me to note, that the smarmiest, sickening Wierwille worship sites are run by ECU vets. Many of them continue to have their "spirituality" based on the BS they picked up in the corpses they were in. I'll just mention a couple.
"rev" Gerry Wrenn, john lynn, earl burton, george hendley. Though not from ECU, bo reahard sends out smarmy garbage in the form of these long, king James English prayers on FB. Randy Anderson was hooked up with Michael Rood in the 90s until the end of the world they "prophesied" would happen on 1/1/2000, never did. Randy publicly admitted he was wrong, apoligized, and moved on. Rood still runs his Hebrew Roots "ministry" which many ex-wayfers follow (Hebrew Roots movement) follow in one cult or another. And now.....Boob and Doody Moneyhands themselves! The way home and limp coordinators of NC '71-'72, until they carried out their first TWI hit on Steve Heefner and The Way East in March, 1972. They've been the TWIt "cleaners", like Mr. Wolf in Pulp Fiction, ever since! Counseling people who committed suicide because of sexual abuse by some MOGGIE, then lied to everyone publicly to cover for whomever needed it, from dictor paul, to da forehead, to Rosie and Donna, and even themselves! Remember "the rod of correction" that they kept screaming about so Way corpse would engage in child abuse and even physical abuse of their own children?! Everywhere there was a major disaster Boob and Doody and their smarmy BS went in and covered up and paid off who ever needed to be. And, they ALL kissed geer's ass while he was their profit and their gawd! The Moneyhands are pimps and whores. They are liars. They are adulterers. They helped drive women to suicide with their "lockbox" counseling. They ran the corpse at Rome City just like the Nazi prison camp it was, and they did so gleefully from a balcony of pathological privilege. They are among the worst of the anti-Christ slime that Wierwille ever produced. They are worth no prayer or pity imo. They have proven themselves "throughly reprobate" with consciences "seared with a hot iron". Why else would they still be promoting dictor paul's anti-Christian doctrines and ministry??? Must need a bigger cash flow now that they're retired! Time to start an offshoot to keep that ECU way home goin' strong, and the $$ rolling in. TWI is dead! So are the wierwilleites. They are starting to really stink.
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It's on FB in a closed group event page. I don't know how to share it if it's available at all to do so.
If it was on YouTube, I'd share it.
Overall, having endured the entire 59 minutes, I'd say the panel is puffed up about their own importance, naive about whether they could make a positive impact on TWI and/or in denial about what seems like the natural result being to start another splinter group.
For me, having been out of the cult for 30 years, it all seemed quaint.
Nothing in the video changed my view that their endeavor is Sisyphean.
The saddest thing about the entire affair is that there may be a thousand or more people cluelessly hoping that this group may actually bring about restoration and revival of TWI.
If there is to be a revival of any kind, wouldn't it be God's prerogative rather than that of a bunch of people who committed their adult lives in service to the narcissistic subculture started by a minor megalomaniac?
In FB threads on the event page (where the video rests), people are longingly asking for disclosure of the the documents sent to the (as one GSCer said last night) Board of Dummies. Yet, those documents have already been posted here.
Now, if I were to respond to those FB threads with that insight, I'd probably be banned from that event group.
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It also occurs to me that the quaintness and apparent deficiencies in understanding the dilemmas they (the panelists in the video and perhaps also the rest of the signers of the documents sent to the BOD) face is a very sad manifestation of stifling the inquisitiveness of sixty-somethings for more than three decades.
The only thing these people seem to know, and the only language they use, is right out of PFLAP and Wierwille's teachings of the Bible.
The best thing that could happen to/for any of them is to come to the realization that humanity/society left them behind.
I learned long ago (but still, AFTER I left TWI) that I don't know nearly as much as I need to know. Fast forward to recognition that knowledge among humans is growing at an amazing rate (geometric, perhaps) and that I needed to adopt a lifelong learning mindset. That's why I read. But if all one reads is TWI drivel, how can they expect different results?
That's not to say I'm better than them... they're still breathing, so they can decide to break out of the box of their mental and emotional prisons and start learning what else there is to learn.
So, for The Way Cult, damage control means to cut the R&R leaders off. But for the R&R leaders, damage control may mean they need to break out of those mental/emotional/social prisons.
The fact that they have grown dissatisfied with The Way Cult is a good first step.
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Well.......for what its worth, here is how it comes across to me:
Pathetically sad.........to see the destructive nature of cults.
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Completely reasonable assessment.
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The entire affair is sad and im so thankful i got out when i did. Its been nearly ten years since i left after fighting with rosalie and john rupp for a year and a half. To see the same $hit rear its ugly head again makes me extra thankful my son does not know any of these people.
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The happiest thought I had driving out of NK on 12/14/1986, was that none of my children would ever again be exposed to, or imposed upon by a mindless, fundamentalist, destructive cult of personality like TWIt. And, in addition, they'd never become cult bait in their lives. Their normal early childhood development, the positive benefits and fun from socialization with a diverse community of fellow humans, and their PUBLIC EDUCATION sparked the curiosity and necessary determination to make their lives meaningful in reality, and to develope an acute social conscience and awareness of the good helping others brings to community and themselves.
None of these legends in their own mind, like moneyhands er al, ever escaped the forced adolescence shoved upon them by Wierwille's Nazi style indoctrination/"training". The normal process of human development according to Piaget, is an 8 course cycle. Adolescence is phase 4, and averages between ages 12-20. The next phase, 5, is Identity Formation, one of the most critical of the phases, since what you are and determine to be as an individual human being is developed during this phase. Average ages for this stage are 21-32. The reason it is crucial to force "volunteers" to stay in extended adolescence is that it prevents volunteers from developing their own individual, unique identity, and thereby a purpose for their being. Wierwille kept "his keeds" in extended adolescence until his "teaching and training" coerced the volunteers to adopt an identity wholly beneficial to WEIRWILLE'S needs and wants above all others, including themselves. People like Moneyhands, Snorky and Patty Fay Roberts, the Fredericks, or the Horneys never made it out of that prolonged adolescence, so they never developed an authentic individual identity of self. Rather, they were taught that "self" was not Christian. Self is ego, pride, entitlement, and WRONG. Losing yourself in "the ministry" or "giving yourself to God", or devoting yourself to "living the corpse principles" forever, is RIGHT. So, wierwille kept his keeds "stoopeed" until their identity was "you're my corps, damnit!". Perfect for "a lifetime of service" to dictor Paul and his minus-try. But, not very healthy for those who accept it and strive to keep it until they die!
So, in effect, what you have in this R'n'R cult is a bunch of 20 year olds figuring out that "the man" has been ripping them off for 40 years and NOW they're pissed! Well honey boo boo......too bad! It's too late! You all are in that stage of finding meaning and purpose to your life now that you're retired or getting close. No more sucking off mama TWI's teats anymore either! If you're not retired you will be fired and promptly M&A'd. A 65 year old adolescent trying to figure out the meaning of life after having wasted most of their own.
So? What to do? Start your own business.......excuse me......church so you can do the work you've been trained to do. Manufacture "spiritual needs" in peoples' lives that only you and your "Word" can meet. Manufacture false questions, alternative facts, and truthful hyperbole that only YOU and "the Word"can answer and explain. Manufacture a spayshull new nuclear family of "likeminded believers", and make it even more spayshull and holy by calling it "the real household of Gawd". Maintain the exclusivity and exceptionalism of this "household" through complete, direct control of thinking AND behavior. Keep the "household" away from other sources, media, education, and most importantly other "Christians" and all churches! Make them fear da Debbil and debbil spurts, our invisible enemies which seem to be more omnipresent than God himself!! LOL! Again, the only way you can deal with da Debbil is by taking the ADVANCED CLASS! The one for "adult Christians" only! Again, learned helplessness, which makes life outside the "household" unbearable and impossible! Any one see some recognizable patterns here??
i have no sympathy for moneyhands or any of the self-serving frauds who signed that wayspeak much ado about nothing. It's just another tempest in their ever-shrinking TWIt teacup. They don't like not being able to tell everybody they're possessed or how to live their lives, raise their kids, and spend their precious time. Their way Corpse ministers after all. The cream of the crap, accepting "the charge of their faddah in da woid" to protect da woid, da woid, and nothing but da woid until they die! How very noble. How completely misguided and insane.
My final word to these turds? Too effing bad! You're too late, too stupid, too dumb, and too immature to change anything. You invited 1400 people to your dog and pony show yesterday morning. That's like one snowflake in a blinding 4' blizzard. Nobody outside that 1400 gives a rat's ass about your minus-try, or your sudden enlightenment. Nobody who has been abused by you Nazis will ever care until YOU fuckers repent, apologize, and make restitution to those you have despitefully used through your years of "serving gawd and the household"! It's been 40 years so far. No one's holding their breath. Crawl back under your slimy rocks and STFU. Bless you!
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Rocky
I've got to say that even though you didn't get to view the video, you have them pegged pretty well.
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Thanks Rocky. To quote Jimi: "Have you ever been experienced? Well, I have!"
I can smell their hypocrisy and their death-dealing doctrines a mile away, as can you and must of us greasespotters. Thanks for all the info you've provided for us here at the 17 year old best cafe on the internet!
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Lots of good points there, DWBH..............thanks.
Phase 5, Identity Formation, average age 21-32..............yep.
Imo........this R'n'R group is in the second stage of grief/loss [.... 1)denial, 2)anger, 3)bargaining, 4)depression, and 5)acceptance....]
.....but their "anger" is misplaced and, for now, directed at Rosalie/Rupp/De Lisle.
They still hold to wierwille/pfal nostalgia..........and have NOT processed the deep, destructive cult underpinnings that is hiding below the surface. Someday, down the road..... perhaps, many of them might begin the critical thinking process to unravel how they got duped and suckered into a cult, but for now their minds just can't grasp it. One of the last acknowledgements for many to see is that wierwille was a scheming, plagiarist fraud who built his minus-try on a plagiarist patchwork of other preachers.....and his doctorate was from a bogus, degree mill in Colorado.
I seriously doubt that many on this list would want to rev-up a splinter group and start leading songs again. But maybe a couple diehards in the group will do home fellowships for a few years.............keeping the motion going.
Wouldn't it be a hoot......if some actually found their way to GSC.......and posted.
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Room for another splinter group? Of course there is. This is a big country! I hear there's a small group gathering hoping to establish the good old Way days on another farm in Ohio run by R. Zel*v. But it sounds like peanuts compared with this outfit. Or maybe they'll join together. TWI mind control, in my opinion, runs deep amongst them all ... I knew many of them back in the day.
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From seven page doc -- "Understand also, that we are not going away. This is our ministry at stake and we will not go quietly into the night. Efforts to “drop from The Way Corps” those who are confronting this leadership dilemma will no longer be acknowledged."
They intend to splinter. Like, in your thumb. Where it keep breaking apart under the skin.
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chockfull
Hot d@mn. Seems to be the cycle of human stupidity coming back around for another pass.
What have we got here? The "Unpassing of the Matriarch" ???
Sounds like a flow problem. You know, kind of like the Dead Sea?
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It's like Joseph Smith or something. I mean the cult MOG impression VPW left was branded so deep like Joseph Smith that every jack Mormon who wanted to start his own harem and own land would branch out at the root and denounce the heavy hand of the authoritarian LDS leadership and cite Joseph Smith.
I know a fair majority of that R&R group (even though was blissfully unaware of their collaboration and development). They are all complicit in the Way's atrocities and have participated in one way or another for years. Now that it affects them they start an uprising. Not when they were tools in affecting others. Then they were all on R&R - turning a blind eye, enjoying the fruits of all their developed relationships within.
What follows next? A means to continue the revenue stream so that slinging BS can continue as a profession. CFFM2. STFFi4.0. Another V2P2 ranch.
Gag me with an old wineskin.
Oh and the Way? Whenever an enlightened fool arises and departs , there is always another unenlightened fool ready to step up and be another brick in the wall.
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tonto
R n R...Ream' em 'n Rape' em? I mean, come on...the people on that list are suddenly awakened to all the evil of the past 40+ years? Give me a break.
Try Repent 'n Restitution, for starters, sweet cheeks.
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