I know most of the people on the list. Really surprised that so many of them were scared to speak up a few years ago have done something besides bitch.
I am supposed to believe that these asswipe third rate Corpse grads, most of whose names I still know, along with a lot of the lies, misdeeds, and actual "working of evil" their resumes contain, have been INNOCENTLY STUCK ON STUPID FOR 40 FREAKING YEARS??? C'mon man! That's simply the same old sob stories and failed excuses they've been living in and with for 3 decades. That does not speak to anything close to being "Way Corpse ministers". Rather it reveals the insanity of their beliefs and "thinking", in that they have repeatedly tried the same bullshit over and over again for 30 years, and expecting different results.
Lying, adultery, deceit, serial sexual abuse and "indiscretions", corrupt, self-serving "counseling", stealing, misuse, and non-disclosure of TWIt finances, spurious, false, and anti(against)-Christ doctrine, practice, and thinking, the spiritual abuse of innocent Christians, the covering up of numerous suicides, mental breakdowns and severe mental illnesses left untreated and then given the "devil spirit possession" label, which led to the cruel, heartless, and UN-Christ-like expulsion from the "household of believers", libel, slander, and falsehoods spread viciously through the spitting, vengeful, lying lips of "top leadership" from coast to coast and around the world. Rejoicing in iniquity and the destruction of others just for spite became the "leadership" norm for 30 years. Now, you who committed the same crimes and abuses against Jesus Christ's Church, and carried out and executed evil unbiblical acts and behavior, expect to be followed because you're gonna do it right this time?? I THINK NOT!
YOU ALL MUST FIRST REPENT BEFORE JESUS CHRIST, and then seek forgiveness from those you have injured and abused. READ AND CARRY OUT MATTHEW chapter 8! Then I'll think about wasting my precious time once more on your man-made religious bigotry and hatred.
WE KNOW YOU BY YOUR FRUIT! It has been grossly rotten for over 40 years now. Guess that old tree must be rotten to its roots, along with those who supposedly "plant and water".
The mental terrorism you perpetrated against those who honestly gave everything they had only to be dropped like a bag of dirt at the whims and fancies of corrupt, pathological, tyrants, who enjoyed ruling with fascist fists of iron rather than velvet gloves of Christian love, is not taken lightly by Jesus Christ. The rampant sexual promiscuity and serial adultery and physical abuse also destroyed or humiliated hundreds of young women. The misogyny, racism, Naziism, Aryanism, fascism, emotional and psychological terrorism only worsened during the last 30 years you morons have presumed to be in charge. You have raped and plundered God's most precious "property".....His children. Your time at your delusional "bema" will be short! Rewards? LOL! I think it will be more like, "I never knew you!"
So.......repent first, then, come clean with the true facts and misdeeds you have committed against the Church BEFORE THE CHURCH, then apologize, and ask for forgiveness from those you directly and personally injured, and then ask for forgiveness from the Church. THEN AND ONLY THEN will I consider listening to anything you have to say. HYPOCRITES AND WHITED SEPULCHERS. PHARISEES AND SCRIBES. LIARS AND THIEVES. Let's see if once in these last 40 years you can DO the right thing!
One of them on my list is my bro-in-law....So I can tell you AT LEAST one or two on that list really haven't changed. I did mention on here a way back, a list/book was being compiled to address decades long areas of concern. I mean, seriously, anyone with any even half a sense of decency have already left and moved on and enjoying their new life of 'abundance & power' I agree whole heartedly with DWBH..the ones calling for 'change', where would they even BEGIN to address the wrongs and hurts THEY THEMSELVES inflicted on those that had sense to leave ??? maybe they could start with just once again, reading Gods' Word for enjoyment and understanding ?? maybe then, verses like this would leap off the pages at them...
"therefore if you bring your gift to the altar and there remember your brother has something against you, leave your gift before the altar and go your way and first be reconciled to your brother and THEN come and offer your gift before the altar" - Jesus...Matthew 5:23,24
This letter from "Way Corps ministers" is so lame that it borders on pathetic.
"The future of our ministry is in peril." ...................really? just now you guys figured this out?
"Way Corps ministers" that have been indoctrinated for 40 years have little chance of "revival and restoration"........unless outside sources point the way out of the woods. This whole letter is generic mumbo-jumbo........like a Geer-redux (1986). Numbers and symptoms are pointed out, but the root of these problems escape them. Why are corps dropping away? Why are class numbers so anemic? Why is the whole thing so dead?
Greasespot Café has been addressing these issues for 17 years........deception, intimidation, indoctrination, exploitation, pharisaic-rule, no accountability, cult behavior, double-standards, arrogant hypocrisy at top levels, liars, abusers, enablers, etc. And, we didn't just spotlight rivenbark's leadership and micromanagement.......here at GSC, we pulled back the curtains to expose wierwille and his pyramid-scheme, in all its treachery. The systematizing of error has taken root for decades. To simply confront rivenbark's tenure, character, and age is abysmal in its approach.
Yeah......unless Bob Moynihan, Gary Frederick, Michael Fort, Paul Brooks and others just want to "move the deck chairs around on the titanic"......they need to get serious and roll up their sleeves. The place is a MESS.
They need OUTSIDE CONSULTATION AND SUPPORT to even begin the process. NONE of them, it appears, have the wherewithal to break the institutionalization of twi's cult and get back to solid ground of Christian living and revival.
Unless their little Q&A accommodates input from GSC-posters, the blind will continue to fall in the ditch.
7. The Board of Directors have refused to dialogue regarding the Biblical confrontation for which they were rebuked on August 12, 2016.
The BoD was confronted?? By whom? Outcomes?
Quoted words followed by: "The attached letters were sent asking for representatives to meet with the Board of Directors and later to attend the Region coordinator’s meetings so concerns could be effectually represented. The only option given was meeting with one couple at a time, not in a suggested Acts 15-type leadership meeting. The Board of Directors continue to move ahead unrepentant."
This sounds not unlike Skyrider's account of Corps couples lining up to be fired!
This letter from "Way Corps ministers" is so lame that it borders on pathetic.
"The future of our ministry is in peril." ...................really? just now you guys figured this out?
"Way Corps ministers" that have been indoctrinated for 40 years have little chance of "revival and restoration"........unless outside sources point the way out of the woods. This whole letter is generic mumbo-jumbo........like a Geer-redux (1986). Numbers and symptoms are pointed out, but the root of these problems escape them. Why are corps dropping away? Why are class numbers so anemic? Why is the whole thing so dead?
Greasespot Café has been addressing these issues for 17 years........deception, intimidation, indoctrination, exploitation, pharisaic-rule, no accountability, cult behavior, double-standards, arrogant hypocrisy at top levels, liars, abusers, enablers, etc. And, we didn't just spotlight rivenbark's leadership and micromanagement.......here at GSC, we pulled back the curtains to expose wierwille and his pyramid-scheme, in all its treachery. The systematizing of error has taken root for decades. To simply confront rivenbark's tenure, character, and age is abysmal in its approach.
The entire Way Corps household should realize the need to restore this ministry back to the heart and Biblical truths as initiated by our Founder, Dr. Victor Paul Wierwille. He earned respect many times over by teaching the greatness of God’s Word, leading from the front, and cultivating individual believer’s long suits. He did not ask others to do what he had not done many times himself.
This hardheartedness towards God’s ministers displayed by the Board of Directors has directly impacted the outreach of the Word. Believers’ deeply springing powers have been thwarted by their overarching, controlling behavior. Our God-given authority to teach God’s Word has been overruled by the necessity of approval from the Board of Directors. As a result, the spirit of God has been quenched and ministries are not being energized.
The teaching of God’s Word on Sunday Services, in The Way Magazine, and in classes has been largely controlled by Rev. Rivenbark herself. Dr. Wierwille started this ministry based on researching the Word and encouraged continued exploration of the vast truth in God’s Word. Now, Way Corps ministers are directed to promote "ministry resources" and teach "salient points" from prepackaged teachings, lacking fire and impact, like the scribes of Christ’s day.
Keep peeling that onion........
Remove the Rivenbark-era.......
Then, the Martindale-era........
Then, peel off the Wierwille-era.........
When you get beyond the "ministry resources" mumbo-jumbo.......that's your starting point.
The numbers that support a change at the Board of Director level are consistently growing. You can contact us at: revivalandrestoration@outlook.com and/or contact us personally with any questions or comments.
Lovingly in Christ,
Ray and Sandy Beets, Ted and Ramona Bidon, Paul and Connie Brooks, Brett and Dale Byers,
Kevin and Melody Carter, Todd and Michelle Cencich, Michael and Cindy Fort,
Gary and Patricia Frederick, Scott and Kristina Froelich, Matthew and Laurie Harmon,
Ed and Jacque Horney, Mark and Terri Ladwig, Aaron and Kelly Lapp, Darrell La Salle,
Rhett Major, Bob and Dottie Moynihan, Rich and Vera O’Neal,
Buddy and Donna Pressler, Stephen and Patty Fay Roberts, David and Cecilia Rowe, Jon and Lisa Ryan,
Michael and Billi-Jo Sanders, Phil and Sue Shelton, Rick and Marian Schilling, Jeffrey and Chrissy Skeltis,
Gene and Sherry Slavit, Sean and Mary Strickland, Walter and Christina Uyehara…plus dozens more
Well.......if they can't reconcile their differences with the mothership.....
.....at least they've got a head start on a new splinter group...........R&R
Thanks for posting this, Rocky. It made me laugh in amazement ... then sigh with disbelief ... the delusions continue ... really, the delusions began with VPW.
Did they really think that the BOD would actually respond to this is a positive manner? What do they think they have been serving all these years? Don't they know that nothing is acceptable but blind obedience? This reminds me of the 39 page letter sent in the 80s before the first mass exodus which got people fired. This could be the final death knell for TWI and all will be left are the few elites at the top who can live out their final years on that $60 million at HQ with empty buildings.
Thanks for posting this, Rocky. It made me laugh in amazement ... then sigh with disbelief ... the delusions continue ... really, the delusions began with VPW.
Too much money and power is at stake for the trustees/directors to step down. Actually, for the Way, the fewer followers there are, the more money can be spent by the Directors ... in a 501(c)3 corporation, as long as there is ANY provable effort that they are following through with their mission (not necessarily large numbers), the Directors will have access to that $58 million plus that was amassed by good-hearted believers giving during the heyday of the Way. I have read all those letters, but there is no way that, short of divine intervention (not likely), that they will be successful. Many of those folks now have alternate sources of income, so they can afford to speak up now.
Lots of dirty hands on that list of signers of the letters...people that were involved in tossing out others who spoke up against those very things years ago.
TWI can be compared to North Korea in that it is a very closed society. For the USA to ever get rid of Kim Jong Un will require his death, his assassination, or some wild bombing. I am assuming that this group would not resort to the last two to get rid of Rosalie, but I am willing to bet that the only way she will take her hand off the helm of control is at the time of her death. Even then, she has put a "yes ma'am" man into the presidency.
Their efforts are indeed like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
Anyone here catch the R'n'R FB dog and pony show this morning? I could not find it!
I don't know that it's possible to share the video (it's on FB, not on YouTube), but because I had received an invitation prior to today, I'm able to view the vid on FB... and am doing so now. I've posted a couple of observations in the Damage Control thread. Btw, the video is 59 minutes long and is mostly wayspeak BS...
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OldSkool
Wow.....thanks for sharing.
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I know most of the people on the list. Really surprised that so many of them were scared to speak up a few years ago have done something besides bitch.
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Too little too late imo!
I am supposed to believe that these asswipe third rate Corpse grads, most of whose names I still know, along with a lot of the lies, misdeeds, and actual "working of evil" their resumes contain, have been INNOCENTLY STUCK ON STUPID FOR 40 FREAKING YEARS??? C'mon man! That's simply the same old sob stories and failed excuses they've been living in and with for 3 decades. That does not speak to anything close to being "Way Corpse ministers". Rather it reveals the insanity of their beliefs and "thinking", in that they have repeatedly tried the same bullshit over and over again for 30 years, and expecting different results.
Lying, adultery, deceit, serial sexual abuse and "indiscretions", corrupt, self-serving "counseling", stealing, misuse, and non-disclosure of TWIt finances, spurious, false, and anti(against)-Christ doctrine, practice, and thinking, the spiritual abuse of innocent Christians, the covering up of numerous suicides, mental breakdowns and severe mental illnesses left untreated and then given the "devil spirit possession" label, which led to the cruel, heartless, and UN-Christ-like expulsion from the "household of believers", libel, slander, and falsehoods spread viciously through the spitting, vengeful, lying lips of "top leadership" from coast to coast and around the world. Rejoicing in iniquity and the destruction of others just for spite became the "leadership" norm for 30 years. Now, you who committed the same crimes and abuses against Jesus Christ's Church, and carried out and executed evil unbiblical acts and behavior, expect to be followed because you're gonna do it right this time?? I THINK NOT!
YOU ALL MUST FIRST REPENT BEFORE JESUS CHRIST, and then seek forgiveness from those you have injured and abused. READ AND CARRY OUT MATTHEW chapter 8! Then I'll think about wasting my precious time once more on your man-made religious bigotry and hatred.
WE KNOW YOU BY YOUR FRUIT! It has been grossly rotten for over 40 years now. Guess that old tree must be rotten to its roots, along with those who supposedly "plant and water".
The mental terrorism you perpetrated against those who honestly gave everything they had only to be dropped like a bag of dirt at the whims and fancies of corrupt, pathological, tyrants, who enjoyed ruling with fascist fists of iron rather than velvet gloves of Christian love, is not taken lightly by Jesus Christ. The rampant sexual promiscuity and serial adultery and physical abuse also destroyed or humiliated hundreds of young women. The misogyny, racism, Naziism, Aryanism, fascism, emotional and psychological terrorism only worsened during the last 30 years you morons have presumed to be in charge. You have raped and plundered God's most precious "property".....His children. Your time at your delusional "bema" will be short! Rewards? LOL! I think it will be more like, "I never knew you!"
So.......repent first, then, come clean with the true facts and misdeeds you have committed against the Church BEFORE THE CHURCH, then apologize, and ask for forgiveness from those you directly and personally injured, and then ask for forgiveness from the Church. THEN AND ONLY THEN will I consider listening to anything you have to say. HYPOCRITES AND WHITED SEPULCHERS. PHARISEES AND SCRIBES. LIARS AND THIEVES. Let's see if once in these last 40 years you can DO the right thing!
We'll see!
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One of them on my list is my bro-in-law....So I can tell you AT LEAST one or two on that list really haven't changed. I did mention on here a way back, a list/book was being compiled to address decades long areas of concern. I mean, seriously, anyone with any even half a sense of decency have already left and moved on and enjoying their new life of 'abundance & power' I agree whole heartedly with DWBH..the ones calling for 'change', where would they even BEGIN to address the wrongs and hurts THEY THEMSELVES inflicted on those that had sense to leave ??? maybe they could start with just once again, reading Gods' Word for enjoyment and understanding ?? maybe then, verses like this would leap off the pages at them...
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This letter from "Way Corps ministers" is so lame that it borders on pathetic.
"The future of our ministry is in peril." ...................really? just now you guys figured this out?
"Way Corps ministers" that have been indoctrinated for 40 years have little chance of "revival and restoration"........unless outside sources point the way out of the woods. This whole letter is generic mumbo-jumbo........like a Geer-redux (1986). Numbers and symptoms are pointed out, but the root of these problems escape them. Why are corps dropping away? Why are class numbers so anemic? Why is the whole thing so dead?
Greasespot Café has been addressing these issues for 17 years........deception, intimidation, indoctrination, exploitation, pharisaic-rule, no accountability, cult behavior, double-standards, arrogant hypocrisy at top levels, liars, abusers, enablers, etc. And, we didn't just spotlight rivenbark's leadership and micromanagement.......here at GSC, we pulled back the curtains to expose wierwille and his pyramid-scheme, in all its treachery. The systematizing of error has taken root for decades. To simply confront rivenbark's tenure, character, and age is abysmal in its approach.
Yeah......unless Bob Moynihan, Gary Frederick, Michael Fort, Paul Brooks and others just want to "move the deck chairs around on the titanic"......they need to get serious and roll up their sleeves. The place is a MESS.
They need OUTSIDE CONSULTATION AND SUPPORT to even begin the process. NONE of them, it appears, have the wherewithal to break the institutionalization of twi's cult and get back to solid ground of Christian living and revival.
Unless their little Q&A accommodates input from GSC-posters, the blind will continue to fall in the ditch.
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Errrr... what was this, anybody know anything?
The BoD was confronted?? By whom? Outcomes?
Quoted words followed by: "The attached letters were sent asking for representatives to meet with the Board of Directors and later to attend the Region coordinator’s meetings so concerns could be effectually represented. The only option given was meeting with one couple at a time, not in a suggested Acts 15-type leadership meeting. The Board of Directors continue to move ahead unrepentant."
This sounds not unlike Skyrider's account of Corps couples lining up to be fired!
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Twinky
Oh, is that the 7-page letter? Not a physical confrontation? (still have to read the letter... if I can bear doing so)
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Rocky
They crossed that border already.
Yeah, they are all Bozos on that bus.
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waysider
Hmmm....I think I see the problem.
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Twinky
They should all stay where they are. Keep out of the way of normal people!
I know! Let's capture them all and build a wall, a great wall, all round the NK property!
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I'm surprised to hear some folks on that list are still standing.
These types of letters are nothing new. I watched at least one couple on that list try to stop letters like these as TWI splintered after LCM's fall.
Probably the only reason there's such a list of names now is that the there's no rank and file left to speak up in place of Way Corps.
misread revelation from God
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Keep peeling that onion........
Remove the Rivenbark-era.......
Then, the Martindale-era........
Then, peel off the Wierwille-era.........
When you get beyond the "ministry resources" mumbo-jumbo.......that's your starting point.
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Well.......if they can't reconcile their differences with the mothership.....
.....at least they've got a head start on a new splinter group...........R&R
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Thanks for posting this, Rocky. It made me laugh in amazement ... then sigh with disbelief ... the delusions continue ... really, the delusions began with VPW.
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Did they really think that the BOD would actually respond to this is a positive manner? What do they think they have been serving all these years? Don't they know that nothing is acceptable but blind obedience? This reminds me of the 39 page letter sent in the 80s before the first mass exodus which got people fired. This could be the final death knell for TWI and all will be left are the few elites at the top who can live out their final years on that $60 million at HQ with empty buildings.
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It was a little hard to read. The Wayspeak made me a little queasy. I started to fell my brain mush up. EWWW
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Rocky
I know, right?!
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Twinky
Nah, the elites at the top will also eventually be given the push, like the Moynihans.
Until it's only the BoD left, and such drones as remain at HQ.
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Too much money and power is at stake for the trustees/directors to step down. Actually, for the Way, the fewer followers there are, the more money can be spent by the Directors ... in a 501(c)3 corporation, as long as there is ANY provable effort that they are following through with their mission (not necessarily large numbers), the Directors will have access to that $58 million plus that was amassed by good-hearted believers giving during the heyday of the Way. I have read all those letters, but there is no way that, short of divine intervention (not likely), that they will be successful. Many of those folks now have alternate sources of income, so they can afford to speak up now.
Lots of dirty hands on that list of signers of the letters...people that were involved in tossing out others who spoke up against those very things years ago.
TWI can be compared to North Korea in that it is a very closed society. For the USA to ever get rid of Kim Jong Un will require his death, his assassination, or some wild bombing. I am assuming that this group would not resort to the last two to get rid of Rosalie, but I am willing to bet that the only way she will take her hand off the helm of control is at the time of her death. Even then, she has put a "yes ma'am" man into the presidency.
Their efforts are indeed like rearranging the deck chairs on the Titanic.
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DontWorryBeHappy
Leaves a lot more money for the Rosie Donna gang to split when they close the place down and retire!
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Anyone here catch the R'n'R FB dog and pony show this morning? I could not find it!
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I don't know that it's possible to share the video (it's on FB, not on YouTube), but because I had received an invitation prior to today, I'm able to view the vid on FB... and am doing so now. I've posted a couple of observations in the Damage Control thread. Btw, the video is 59 minutes long and is mostly wayspeak BS...
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Thanks Rock! I'm interested to know which questions they answered. Wonder if they even read any?
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Yes, they read some of the questions. Check out the Damage Control thread.
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