Is he installed as Prez now? Nothing on their website, which indicates RFR as "Chairman", and other directors (or whatever they call them) are JYdL and J Rupp. At least there's no bloody awful celebratory video. Actually, there's hardly any current info at all, although their copyright is dated 2017. I've no interest in making a serious rummage around their site.
In light of Twinky's comment skyrider, I seriously doubt a response from anyone at twi is forthcoming. And why would they? We don't exist. Personna non gratta.
Hey JYDL... Any day now......you will get to stand at "the microphone" of twi......with the power to use your words to help influence or change minds. Being the 4th twi-president, thousands will listen to you......and, I suppose, fall in line.
Here at GSC.....perhaps, I will see if the GSC-community want to hear any more of what I have to say. I don't know if it's "in the thousands".......but lots of people just might want to hear the other side of the story.....that's the mission here, if you haven't heard.
In your personal card to me........you said "What a great blessing it was to spend time with you in Dallas!".......Thanks, I accept that as a compliment.
I have another card somewhere around here from John Reynolds complimenting me......after his mother's funeral. I might dig it out, too.
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You know, Jean-Yves.........when you were a WOW-coordinator in Toronto, you had compassion on the three others....and you did run a small class, maybe two. And.....you were a good follower......but no "walk-by-the-spirit" leader. NOT ONE THING.......can I remember about your year in Toronto that "popped with any spiritual pazzazz. So, it looks like you get to be "installed as twi-prez" because you faithfully followed rosalie's directives and dictates. lol
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Recently, I've gone back and documented some of my history with wierwille and martindale.
Both men.......imo, should have done prison time for sexual predation and abuse.
Wierwille .......had his thugs give lots of girls "the bum's rush"....w/ damage control.....and died before his sins/past saw a courtroom.
Martindale......well, 2 lawsuits had to be settled out-of-court (All3n & Park3r).......and martindale skated away with a "lifetime pension from twi."
And..........look at Rosalie's past record. The link is in the previous post.
Gawd..........you must be SO PROUD......to be following in these steps?
JYDL, you have seen,heard and even participated in alot of devious cover ups. It makes me wonder how do you sleep at night??!knowing what you know and what you and others swept under the rug
You and others before you(martindale/rosalie) have alot to answer for so be a real man and own up
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The depth and scope of relationships and involvement is listed below. My wife had her set.......as well.
Thru the years, I had brushed shoulders with nearly all "top-tier" except harry wierwille. I was on WOW years.....he died in Fall of 1977.
Some names will be masked with anonymity.....more that martindale/trustees gave my wife and me when our names were smeared FAR and WIDE to all the corps household across the country in 1998. NONE of those listed below ever called us again.
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VP Wierwille..................as documented here and here. Also, escorted mrs. wierwille 3 times in dallas.
Ermal Owens.................time at their trailer, escorted mrs. owens........and I was last person digging ermal's grave.
Don Wierwille.................at don's & wanda's home after "cult intervention"......and around him & his mother in dallas.
Howard Allen..................both my wife and I had close dealings with him. Howard walked my bride down the aisle. *
Craig Martindale.............needs no explanation.....documented here.
Chris Geer......................many experiences, in timeline thread......stood alongside geer during 7th corps mass-wedding event in Emporia
Rosalie Rivenbark..........associations/involvement with high country caravan & warehousing department
John Reyn0lds................much background, came to OKC for mother's funeral...he was sec/tr-elect....later, trustee '98
Harve P1atig...................9th corps, we worked side-by-side at Kenyon Auditorium......Harve, rosalie's vice-prez (then ousted??)
Roger Mittl3r...................6th corps, knew him from my interim year in way builders....one of many in "vice-prez parade"
John Rvpp......................17th corps (?)......he replaced Mosqu3da.....became TX limb/reg guy....trunk and one of vic-prez
Steve L0ngley.................11th corps (?) ** .....married Meg (9th corps).....Meg and I were in same corps in-rez twig
David Chav0ustie............bad act *** (listed below) ....... no respect for the guy, evah!
John Lind3r.....................8th corps, lots of situations,.....known as, imo.........the guy in the shadows with his 9mm glock handgun
Gary Fredxxxx.................8th corps, lots of situations,....top legal twi-guy......in-laws w/ $$$$.....help build his back deck at his home
Nancy H3arne.................9th corps, RIP, deceived friend, daughter of Ira & Ora........Ira was vpw's "man" of Kipp Farm operations
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* Howard was tipsy...with alcohol breath....in the back room of BRC.....40 minutes before walking my bride down aisle.
** Steve L0ngley........later, one of the "new teachers" of class after martindale's wap went down in flames.
*** David Chav0ustie......no respect, what an a$$ (maybe he changed)......History: my 1st wow year and I'd spent 3 weeks witnessing and working with two syracuse university girls (students, and pretty).....anyways, big build-up for weekend coffeehouse event and after 15 minutes of music, chav0ustie came onstage and made an a$$ of himself.......those two girls I had "invited"........split out the door real fast!! [ In hindsight --- good for them!! ] This guy, too, became one of the "new teachers" of fnd class. lol
Question: Wasn't Rupp......also, one of the 3 guys to teach new fnd class?
So, yeah............wished I'd have stopped digging MY OWN GRAVE.....(and ermal's)........in July 1981.
By then..............I had my bride at my side............and we could have jumped in my car and SPLIT.
Hey JYDL.......In case you missed it, I wrote you an open letter and posted it on GSC.......and DWBH, wrote you one too.
..........................YOU are at another crossroad.
On 11/3/2016 at 0:17 PM, skyrider said:
The announcement that you, Jean-Yves, will be twi's next president has reached GreaseSpot Café.
Knowing you from those early days in Quebec City, and your WOW year in Toronto.......I am not surprised that you rose up thru the ranks of leadership. Clearly, in your former years, you had discipline, drive and heart-felt compassion for others. When you were assigned to one of Toronto's WOW teams, I personally made sure that Rene and Sonia [ if I remember her name correctly] were in your WOW-family.....Rene needed extra attention being wheel-chair bound, and Sonia was so innocent, lovely and beautiful that I knew you'd be the right person to help them. And, after your in-residence year......I was honored to perform your and Michele's wedding in 1988.
As twi continued to endure Chris Geer's call to "return back to the wierwille-indoctrination doctrine" with his arrogance assertions......twi went thru turbulent times, for sure. Martindale, Don and Howard were thrown back on their heels and were reeling in a defensive posture for a number of years. During this time, you and Michele were staffers at headquarters and saw much of the destruction of people's lives. Yes, for 28 years......you have been intricately ensconced at the upper-tier levels of twi-hierarchy and groomed by "leadership" at hq and therefore, removed from understanding the emotional, physical and spiritual abuse that has been thrust upon the followers.
I am saddened, Jean-Yves, to see that you never connected the dots of this abuse and evil. The scriptures give us wholesale examples of how the Pharisees burdened the people with guilt, shame, and fear to maintain their positions of power. You see, Jean-Yves.......there are reasons why some 480 clergy and 3,000 corps grads no longer follow the doctrine or tenets of wierwillism. The mog-doctrine was a fraud perpetrated by wierwille to enrich his power base and control over the youth. Even back then, the older folk were abandoning him left and right......as even wierwille had noted that time and time again. And, when wierwille schemed to offer the sunset corps an "opportunity" to build a cabin at their expense at Camp Gunnison [that twi would later inherit upon that person's death]......NOT ONE ELDERLY CORPS PERSON bought into it. Notice how the elder corps were skeptical and suspicious of wierwille's shenanigans.....even though they were "corps trained?"
Clearly, the days of Rosalie's tenure as president has been little more than manage the perceptions......after all, twi really doesn't have a research department any more, do they? And, the teachings are bland regurgitations that were scoffed at even by wierwille's pfal class renderings of religious veneer. Why would a "spirit-filled believer with all power" NEED to read his/her sermon? And then, is there really any full-sharing fellowship going on......or are people just going thru the motions? I think, if you were really honest......you know the answer. So....its not really a "Research, Teaching and Fellowship Ministry" is it?
Perhaps, you will slip into the big chair and be able to make BIG CHANGES during your tenure......to elevate Jesus Christ in his rightful and honored place as lord, savior, and mediator between God and man. Perhaps......you will turn the ship 180 degrees and get back to true Christian values where believers are guided by holy spirit within. Perhaps.....you will be able to clean the ranks of arrogant and abusive leaders that have sat in their seats of power at headquarters for 30+ years. But if you are going to make any difference whatsoever......you will have to keep Rosalie and Donna from whispering in your ear on a weekly basis.
All the best to you, Jean-Yves. Just know that "the power of that office" is not of any significance in the sight of God......UNLESS you use it for good, to unburden and heal the brokenhearted and those [still] in captivity. [Luke 4:18]
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On 11/4/2016 at 2:17 AM, DontWorryBeHappy said:
Now, Monsieur de Liar, here's my open letter to you and your TWIts big apple style. A bit less comfortable for you perhaps, but, IMO, the last thing ANY "president" of TWIt deserves IS comfortable ANYTHING!
I left the TWIt gulag in December, 1986 after 16 years in the cesspool. I "graduated" from the Way corpse in August, 1976. I was in that thing Johnny the drunk Townsend called the Yak Twig after Chairman Geer the bus driver destroyed TWIt with his putsch paper about some legendary, supposedly benevolent "patriarch" who was put one step above Saul of Tarsus as this man-o-gawd (MOG) for this our day and time and hour and minute and nanosecond.
I bought that purulent horse manure too, UNTIL I returned to your little mud hole in new Knoxville. I was on staff there from 1979-1986, when I left. That's where the truth and FACTS regarding dictor paul wierwille and his cult of perverted personality disorders began staring me in the face. Slowly but relentlessly those FACTS were oozing from the belly of that beast daily. The cognitive dissonance and abject immorality of what dictor and his boyz in da hoods were doing was horrifying. Truly and wildly against everything our Lord Christ stands for today. Psychopatholigical, alcohol-driven madness which literally killed innocents and drove a significant number of others to suicide! ALL in the name of "God's rightly divided Word" lived "in the renewed mind in manifestation" with complete and total allegiance to the MOG, "The Teacher", wayfers' "Father in the Word".
Unlike you de Liar, I did not bury my head or heart in that TWIt toilet. It did not take me 28 years of blatant foot-kissing and personal compromise to realize that something IS very rotten in TWItville, Ohio! So wrong that, no authentic Christian could ever in good conscience before the Lord stay there and continue to poison the waters of life for the genuine Christians who wanted just to love God and serve the bread of life to those in need.
And yet, here you are in 2016 agreeing to preside over that fraud of a minus-tray as if nothing bad enough ever happened that you must repent of before God and His Church, and ask for forgiveness from BOTH! That should be your number one task. But, I'm sure YOU don't "see the need" to do that, because you'd never agree to be pwesident if you even hinted at doing this right thing.
This after 28 years at the vortex of sin and spiritual illness that your precious headquarters continues to live and promote. That means you were there during dem fawg years. That means you signed da forehead's loyalty oath. That means you went through and SUPPORTED, the homo purges, the ending of the ROA and the WOW program due to "homo infiltration". The screaming, spit-filled propaganda and hate speech against all us possessed cop-outs, non-stop every day for years. The public humiliation and destruction of ANY & ALL opposition or perceived "rebellion" against his MOGship. The incredible fascist, neo-Nazi malignant paranoid narcissism which eventually threw out any bible and replaced it with "genuine spiritual suspicion" as the main rule of "faith and practice". The "no debt" lunacy. The fun enforcement of "mark and avoid". Taking the "prevailing word" and locking it up behind the newly constructed walls of Zion that you morons consented to. The remake of dictor's PFAL into an even more incoherently insane WAP class. The pathetic Way Disciples program to replace WOWs. The overt and persistent pathological serial rape and sexual assault that Da Forehead's perverted "father in the word" taught the boy to do so well, and with rabid enthusiasm. And, your pal Ros-a-lie also participated in enthusiastically as well with dictor paul himself, and Howard and Don, and literally scores of other MOGs including members of my corpse which she was in-rez with when she began in the Family Corpse II in August, 1975! Male and female Monsieur de Liar! Ask Ms. Lombardi-Martindale about that! Denial. Obfuscation. Outright pathological lying. Blameshifting and finger pointing is what you've been taught to accept and demand. That's what you accept with your revisionist history of Da Forehead's two "settled" serial rape and sexual assault charges, along with Rosie's whitewashed version of her own admissions to the criminal sexual behavior of the Da forehead and others that are in the sealed settlement documents. If you know all this after 28 years and you're still there, my de Liar moniker fits you quite well Monsieur! And, you'll wear it with PRIDE I'm sure.
Unlike the far more kind Skyrider, I'm not wasting one nanosecond of my Christian prayer life on you, or any of the rest of you hypocritical, whited sepulchers. You are anti(against)-Christ in words and works. You are vain babblers, ever learning yet never coming to the knowledge of the truth. You are an insult to the Lord who bought you. You are a false teacher. You and your rosie suffer from the root of all evil.....the love of money. You preach for filthy lucre's sake. You plagiarize the plagiarizers. You bow your knee to Baal. You are anathema to the Lord Jesus Christ and His Heavenly Father. You have been weighed in the balances and found wanting. Your "ministry" is a sham and a fraud. You serve the god of this world. REPENT! Ask God for forgiveness and apologize to those whom you have despitefully used. You have raped and plundered The Good Shepherd's precious flock. Their blood is on your hands. You cannot fool God! You cannot hide from the Righteous Judge either. You return to your own vomit, day after day, year after year. The blood of the righteous which you have shed screams through the ground against you. My only prayer for you is, "May the Lord have mercy upon your souls."
Have a nice inauguration and installation a$$hole!
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Is he installed as Prez now? Nothing on their website, which indicates RFR as "Chairman", and other directors (or whatever they call them) are JYdL and J Rupp. At least there's no bloody awful celebratory video. Actually, there's hardly any current info at all, although their copyright is dated 2017. I've no interest in making a serious rummage around their site.
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The actual date doesn't matter to me......it sidetracks my questions.
I'd like some answers..........I can handle the truth ( h/t .....to movie "A Few Good Men")
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Can I offer you a coffee while you're waiting for those answers, Skyrider? you'll be waiting for a long time.![]()
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In light of Twinky's comment skyrider, I seriously doubt a response from anyone at twi is forthcoming. And why would they? We don't exist. Personna non gratta.
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Twinky..........thanks for the coffee. I better sip real sloooooooooooooooooooowly.
I'm sure you caught my drift.....
TWI was able to SMEAR, LIE and DEFAME our names all across the country.......via corps night phone lines.
Yet, we don't do that here at GSC.....nor do we have to invoke
everywhere. We can just speak facts and truth about them!!!
Like.......we did with...........rosalie f. shumate.
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Hey JYDL... Any day now......you will get to stand at "the microphone" of twi......with the power to use your words to help influence or change minds. Being the 4th twi-president, thousands will listen to you......and, I suppose, fall in line.
Here at GSC.....perhaps, I will see if the GSC-community want to hear any more of what I have to say. I don't know if it's "in the thousands".......but lots of people just might want to hear the other side of the story.....that's the mission here, if you haven't heard.
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You know, Jean-Yves.........when you were a WOW-coordinator in Toronto, you had compassion on the three others....and you did run a small class, maybe two. And.....you were a good follower......but no "walk-by-the-spirit" leader. NOT ONE THING.......can I remember about your year in Toronto that "popped with any spiritual pazzazz. So, it looks like you get to be "installed as twi-prez" because you faithfully followed rosalie's directives and dictates. lol
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Recently, I've gone back and documented some of my history with wierwille and martindale.
Gawd..........you must be SO PROUD......to be following in these steps?
More later.................
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That's right Skyrider!!You tell em!
JYDL, you have seen,heard and even participated in alot of devious cover ups. It makes me wonder how do you sleep at night??!knowing what you know and what you and others swept under the rug
You and others before you(martindale/rosalie) have alot to answer for so be a real man and own up
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Yeah, hg30..............and hopefully, OTHERS who've just exited the cult.
That's what Waydale was like........back in 1999.
Red-Hot Information..........as more hit the exit doors !!!
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...........damn, repressed memories coming alive.........
...........all the relationships, associations, connections..........and NONE came to our defense
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Asterisks:
Question: Wasn't Rupp......also, one of the 3 guys to teach new fnd class?
So, yeah............wished I'd have stopped digging MY OWN GRAVE.....(and ermal's)........in July 1981.
By then..............I had my bride at my side............and we could have jumped in my car and SPLIT.
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Notice: If you read of skyrider's obituary .....and it states "mysterious bullet wound in back of head".........just saying....
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and 297 knife wounds in the back.
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"..........and 297 knife wounds in the back. "
LOL
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..........any reason why 297?
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Random number, would you prefer more, or fewer? (Maybe 666 stabs in the back would be more appropriate?)
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Hey JYDL.........Mr. Canadian...........Check out this documentary...........see any similarities.......??
Gawd..........the inter-weaving connectivity of it all...........
For three years.......my wife and I lived at 1496 Geary Ave.....in London, Ont.
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Back in the day, we would have had a jolly time analyzing the "spiritual significance" of such connections.
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Yeah, waysider..............ain't that the truth.
When I saw that scientology "Going Clear"..........eight or nine months ago on HBO.......
.....the Haggis/LondonOnt association triggered thoughts of having lived there 30 yrs ago........that's all.
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Hey JYDL.......In case you missed it, I wrote you an open letter and posted it on GSC.......and DWBH, wrote you one too.
..........................YOU are at another crossroad.
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