Ghost Ryders In The Sky

[skyrider]

Thanks again...........Greasespotters !!!!

See you in a month, or two.....................

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Edited:  Under further consideration?????

To me, .........Ghost Ryders In The Sky........or Not.

 

(if someone with nifty computer skills can insert a full image of this.....I'd appreciate it)

Ghost Ryders In The Sky

 

 

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[waysider]

 

[Rocky]

3 hours ago, skyrider said:

Thanks again...........Greasespotters !!!!

See you in a month, or two.....................

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To me, four reasons why.........Ghost Ryders In The Sky

 

(if someone with nifty computer skills can insert a full image of this.....I'd appreciate it)

Ghost Ryders In The Sky

 

 

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Note, all you have to do -- instead of using the insert link button in the text editor (bar at the top there of) -- is to paste the youtube link into the text of your message.

Thanks for sharing your story and Johnny Cash's song.

 

[skyrider]

Thanks Rocky........

After three weeks of postings, memories and deprogramming flashbacks.......I've got to GO INTROVERT.....

And......maybe, too many metaphors.....

Probably need to change the title too.....

Love the expanse of song & johnny cash......but it confuses.......who are the ghost riders?  Those still riding on.....

The cowboy sees this vision, contemplates, at crossroads in life.........is warned by spirits of damned cowboys riding by.

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Perhaps...........STOP the GHOST RIDING

with subtitle.....CULTS ARE DANGEROUS

• Ghost Riding
• Ghost riding, frequently used in the context of "ghost riding the whip" (a "whip" being a vehicle) or simply ghostin', is when a person exits their moving vehicle, and dances beside and around it.

 

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Maybe, kill this thread............and start over. 

Guess at the end of my long "extrication post" with lallys,  my metaphorical analogy was off kilter.

Too many sleepless nights.......again........and struggling to put all this stuff in writing.  I'm wiped, totally spent.

Maybe, .....that's why book writing is done, largely in isolation/seclusion......deep thought & reviews.

 

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If anyone cares at all........add suggestions to title of book, or not...........

Sh!t.....it's not like the thing will ever be published, or anything.  lol

I can't thank you greasespotters enough.........

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[Rocky]

I wouldn't worry about the title of the thread. It's a song title. Nothing more. Fictional literature (including songs) is about communicating concepts in ways people can relate to.

I reject twi making everything about an (the) adversary.

And as far as I remember, you aren't the first or only person to cite specific concerns about the Lallys.

[DontWorryBeHappy]

I could tell you plenty about those two idiots.....Tom and Barbara. But, no need at this point. However, Skyrider is being "kind" to them in this thread. I do not need to interrupt. He's on a roll!

[skyrider]

1 hour ago, DontWorryBeHappy said:

I could tell you plenty about those two idiots.....Tom and Barbara. But, no need at this point. However, Skyrider is being "kind" to them in this thread. I do not need to interrupt. He's on a roll!

YEAH!.......less than 3 years later after our....... 2 hr+ white-hot confrontation (Aug 1998)......

AFTER......MARTINDALE WENT DOWN IN FLAMES....(Aug 2000)

THEN........LA1LYS...........BAILED TWI .......(9 months later --- Jun 2001)

They lied and deceived......the next limb/region replacement guy......

They lied and deceived......the whole branch area in Austin...........

• They gave a fake address.........where they were "going to move"...
• Believers in area were going to help load/unload moving truck
• Tom/Barb called mid-day and told believers .....didn't need their help
• They were......twi's Austin Branch Coordinators
• They'd stepped down from region/limb....to get job in "secular world"
• ...........they were deceptively  and stealthily.....EXTRICATING (from cult)
• ....................they took 9 months to think/process/pack......we had 28 hrs.
• ............................28 hrs. to physically extricate the limb/personal entanglement

THEN.........POOF.........they drove away in the middle of the night.

• ..........leaving no forwarding address.........NOTHING.
• ..........wanting NO PART of a confrontation

 

COWARDS.

SCUM.

 

Again, this was..........around June 2001.      

 

........where is that nice pic of the little girl with............the one-finger salute?

 

 

 

Edited January 8, 2017 by skyrider

[DontWorryBeHappy]

Among the most egregious assholes who ever walked through TWIt. Barbara was in the 4th corpse. One of the sluts in there like Lombardi, Gustke, Oriard, and Ms. Gray back then. A whole lot of zeal with no morals or real concern for others. Strictly self-centered "ladder climbers". The boy Tom was just a dope on two legs. Just a dope. They were cowards. They left like cowards too. Lying little weasels. Karma is a bitch you two. Sure glad I won't have to answer for what you will at your phony "bema". Losers.

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[skyrider]

AND........just because I'm pi$$ed thinking about all this.........

Quote....from the other thread..

• "It was near 10pm.......and the region couple offered, with ministry petty cash expense, to pay for our night in a motel.  I turned it down.  They implored us....it was only "the right thing to do."  I said no thanks.  We headed out the door and drove away.  I looked at my wife, she looked at me.....it was like, "Did THAT just happen?  Did we just quit and walk away from decades of corps?  No. More. Corps. Assignments?" 

I totally believe that the lallys were trying to lull us into a trap.......(if we'd stayed in Austin motel)

• I think as that confrontation ended......[trap---offer motel].......and then, lallys would high-tail into OKC ahead of us
• Once in OKC.....they'd start damage control.....i.e. meeting corps/ac grads [before we got back to OKC]
• ...........................lallys did get into OKC around 11am Sat..........and set up city-wide mtg to blacklist us
• ................................one ac grad (at mtg) later told us that not ONE person said anything negative about us
• ........................................NOTHING.....as lallys kept drilling down & down, trying to find "some dirt"

 

Gawd..........I could write SO MUCH MORE.......but who wants to hear all this blow-by-blow crap?

....................Then, Martindale smeared and slashed our reputations on the next Corps Mtg --- via phone lines.

....................AFTER............EVERYTHING we'd done for his family.......mainly ---- Rod, Jo, & Kerry

 

 

 

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[Rocky]

18 minutes ago, skyrider said:

Gawd..........I could write SO MUCH MORE.......but who wants to hear all this blow-by-blow crap?

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The question isn't whether anyone is interested in reading it but rather what the personal toll for you would be to set it in writing and publish it here.

We can live without it if it will be problematic for you to relive it.

[Rocky]

6 hours ago, skyrider said:

........where is that nice pic of the little girl with............the one-finger salute?

 

Here ya go! btw, h/t to Lanikaigal.

Edited January 9, 2017 by Rocky

[skyrider]

THANKS........you're the man, Rocky!

You know.......when all those memories about my parents surface........it cuts me like a knife!

And.................when I have all those memories fighting for my bride......it brings the tears.

And.................when my little boys got hurt...... IT ROYALLY PI$$ED and Pi$$ES me off.

BUT.................I have NO PROBLEM..............talking about THEM, the CULT.

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The Lallys came into OKC and tried kicking over every stone to find something/anything on us........NOTHING.

Of course, they called the corps in Tulsa, too.........and the corps rolled into OKC for 2-3 hr mtg........

• The Lallys, then, held private mtgs with every corps/ac grad in OKC & Tulsa......trying to find dirt on us.
• This was eye-to-eye "what can YOU tell us" private-type mtgs.
• They wanted SOMETHING/ANYTHING.......to feed the narrative for martindale's slander on us.
• That's why..........when lcm did corps mtg......it was "so vague"..........he had NO DIRT.

We were blasted for "turning our backs on God AND the corps commitment."  THAT.....was the vague slander!!  Gawd.......after I'd put in 24 years in twi and my wife had put in 28 years in twi !!!!!!!!!

The best slander lally/lcm railed on (we later heard)..........we were putting our KIDS above God.

• The INSANITY of that statement. 
• And........corps people swallowed that bile.
• And........corps, some who've since called us AND visited us (years later) in Indiana.....are STILL in Twi    !!!!!!!!!!!!

And........martindale, at corps mtg (we later heard)......we were "worldly" and being turned over to Satan.

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ANYONE OUT THERE.........lurking..........TWI IS A FvCKING CULT !!!

 

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[skyrider]

And.......while I'm still ....ed right now thinking about it.....

Sunday Noon:  Bullet-point sequence

• Six cars pulled up on street......Moving truck backed into limb drive-way
• I pushed button for garage to open
• Tom L. sternly and briskly walked thru garage.....I met him at access door.
• He abruptly said, "Don't you come out....I'm coming in."
• My wife stood a fair distance away.........the boys were in at side bedroom window.
• The more our boys realized what was happening.......they started sobbing deeply.
• Four of the adv class parents' kids.......were their constant playmates  (swimming, birthday parties, etc.)

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• Six or seven adv class grads wouldn't make any eye-contact.......got to work loading big items
• Tom went thru inventory list checking things off.......and was very concerned about limb files
• Twi "allowed" us to buy a kitchen hutch and washer/drier
• Oh......T0m Mull!ns.......Arkansas Limb Coordinator arrived.....and was now in garage
• ...........later that day, Lallys and Mull!ns had ANOTHER mtg with corps.
• ....................Corps couple from Tulsa became NEW limb coordinators.  Limb would be run from there. 
• ...........I guess it took 3 power-hitters in my state to try and destroy us. lol

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• Bookstore items all needed to be inventoried, storage cabinets, a sofa, folding chairs, etc.
• My wife has to get the boys away from the windows.......the building trauma was too much
• Lally interrogated me further.........who all had I called since Friday night.......damage control
• Probably...........One hour and thirty minutes later...........truck was loaded, they pulled away

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This deep-sense of betrayal.......was like a lump in my gut.

20 minutes later.......we locked the house and went to hamburger/ice cream store to  distance ourselves from it all.

We had caller id.......but all the next week, phone calls came in registering "anonymous"

After the third day.....I picked up the phone to see.  Person on other end wouldn't answer.......6-7 seconds, "click."

Was twi checking on me?  Toying with me?  Pestering me?  Would they come late at night and pound on the door?

• Again.......during my deprogramming, twi sent 4 guys into my hometown knocking on doors.
• What would they do regarding me?  This was martindale's home state and it all embarrassed him to deal with it.

I slept in the living room........at least 4-5 nights.  Flashbacks.....brutal, gut-wrenching abandonment of former life.

After another few days..........the silence was deafening.  No phone calls.  Our whole network of people were cut from our life.

In another sense....................all the swirling of activity had stopped.......and THAT  felt good.  My mind started to process it all.

I was going introvert...........

Less than 3 years later.........Tom & Barbara Lally secretly loaded their truck and drove away late at night.

**When Austin people went to check on them that next day........the apartment was empty, a deceptive ploy.

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[Rocky]

2 hours ago, skyrider said:

THANKS........you're the man, Rocky!

You know.......when all those memories about my parents surface........it cuts me like a knife!

And.................when I have all those memories fighting for my bride......it brings the tears.

And.................when my little boys got hurt...... IT ROYALLY PI$$ED and Pi$$ES me off.

BUT.................I have NO PROBLEM..............talking about THEM and the CULT.

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ANYONE OUT THERE.........lurking..........TWI IS A FvCKING CULT !!!

 

No... YOU are the man, Skyrider!

[skyrider]

10 hours ago, skyrider said:

Less than 3 years later.........Tom & Barbara Lally secretly loaded their truck and drove away late at night.

**When Austin people went to check on them that next day........the apartment was empty, a deceptive ploy.

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AND.....because I had "connections".......I was the one who posted on GSC that ..Martindale slithered into Toledo in the dead of night.

 

 

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Edited January 9, 2017 by skyrider
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[Rocky]

To quote Meryl Streep (quoting Carrie Fisher) as she finished her Golden Globe acceptance speech this evening, "Take your broken heart and make it into art."

Because, of course, art moves hearts.

[skyrider]

SO YEAH........BOTH.......lallys AND martindale slithered away UNDER THE COVER OF DARKNESS.

BOTH.......Tom & Craig........vicious, bastards......if you weren't in lockstep loyalty !!!

[Rocky]

Couldn't find the video on youtube until just now.

[skyrider]

Thanks Rocky.....

That's what I love.......about Johnny Cash's "Ghost Riders in the Sky"

• The expanse and depth of the song & imagery
• An old cowboy on a ridge
• The imagery of the horns, hoofs, hot-breath, stampeding cattle
• The cattle had brands-still-on-fire.........BRANDED
• The imagery of the ghost riders and horses thundering across the skies

Perhaps, I'll just embrace this "ghost rider vision".........how I saw this "art"........

• The twi-CULT.... ARE  /  IS..... "the ghost riders driving cattle across the endless skies."

..."save your soul from hell"

....every metaphor has it limitations.

STILL..........love the song and how it moves me !!

 

 

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Edited January 9, 2017 by skyrider

[skyrider]

And yeah.......I spelled it with a "y"

..........it WAS personal to me

Ghost Ryders...... =  .....Martindale, Lally........and the haunting, cattle-driver Wierwille

 

 

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Edited January 9, 2017 by skyrider

[Twinky]

Eph 4:32 " be ye kind one to another, tenderhearted..."

1 Thess 2:7 "But we were gentle among you, even as a nurse cherishes her children..."

 Ellicott's Commentary (available via Biblehub): "Among you.—Rather, in the midst of you, making the gentleness still more marked. “Her,” in the Greek emphatically her own. The contrast is drawn between the charlatan, licentious, sophistical, fawning, greedy, vainglorious teachers, to whom Greeks were well accustomed, and the Apostles, sitting familiarly like mothers amidst a group of their own children, folding them for warmth to their bosoms “Keep a mother’s heart for men,” was the advice which made Henri Perreyve’s life so winning (Méditations, p. 87)."

 

You can really see how the Lallys and other leaders took this deeply into their hearts  :)   Good heavens, sneaking away in the middle of the night?  Whatever was he afraid of?

 

It's amazing any of us made it out alive... some of us were barely crawling.

[skyrider]

The Saga continues................................

Now.....we were looking at "a clean slate".......WHAT NOW?

• First 2-3 weeks........emphasis on our two little boys (lots of hugs, encouragement, trying to explain......)
• Thankfully......the new school year was beginning.....and lots of positive things in that area
• I started the arduous process of rebuilding a "resume"......I was 43 yrs old
• An advanced class grad in OKC phoned......she wanted OUT of twi
• ..........we had two secret meetings to discuss issues with her.  The paranoia in her heart....and shock of us being m/a.
• ..........she was living with another ac grad......who was a glassy-eyed follower
• ...............three more weeks went by.  This adv class grad made decision to leave.  She was SO scared.
• ...............we offered to have her move in with us while she, too, processed the cult-aftermath
• ......................and she did NOT want any confrontation from new limb guy OR her roommate
• ......................so, we stealthily moved her belongings while her roommate was at work

Got that?........this ac grad was SO SCARED and PARANOID she wanted us to help her thru this without any twi-confrontation.

• Gawd......the whole thing seemed like an undercover-spy movie.
• Hey, twi............see what kind of filth, ilk and paranoia that you are driving people to???
• This ac grad had left extra money and note on kitchen counter to help pay future bills....not wanting to burden her roommate
• Of course, this roommate came home from work.....to find this.
• She called the new limb guy immediately........and he said stuff like....."See, you gotta be real cautious....they (we) are possessed."

OMG.........The lengths to which the twi-cult DRIVES people to see DEVIL SPIRITS in everything. 

 

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Edited January 9, 2017 by skyrider

[skyrider]

The more I type this ONGOING saga.....

The more I........STILL like the "Ghost Ryders In The Sky" analogy. 

 

All these "haunting" memories......streaming across the skies.

[skyrider]

IMO...............that's why when some drive-by posters come here to GSC and pop off

• They have NO IDEA.....the secret, driving, under-belly scum of that cult-organization.  NONE.
• They extrapolate their opinions and view points from the cult-magazine echo chamber.

There is a HUGE difference between:

1. Extraction........getting out relatively easy and walking away from a cult.
2. Extrication.......the grasping, sucking tentacles of the octopus in deep waters.

THAT'S WHY......GSC is so damn important !!!!!

• All of you posters are so special.
• Your depth of thinking, exposure, and support.......HELPING so many, many people.
• I sometimes think that GSC and your/our efforts....has helped at least 10 thousand or more.
• Hell........even those who never were in......have expressed thanks.

YOU POSTERS.................ROCK and kick-a$$.

........THANKS.

[skyrider]

So......why did I search out Trancenet......then, Waydale.......and stayed the course in GSC..?

• What started the driving passion of John Walsh to do what he did?
• It's extremely personal when it involves your kid(s).
• No, our kid wasn't abducted or killed, but......
• The guttural pain.....of seeing our boys cope with cult-backstabbers
• The nights of crying......what's wrong?  why can't we play with them?

Now........I was going thru the extrication process......for all of us, wife & kids.......and, helping this adv class girl.

Another girl phoned........who was signed up for foundational way-class.  I had personally witnessed to her and signed her up.

• Now what?  I was m/a and she called to ask me what to do.
• She was conflicted (obviously)....
• A week later, she came to talk with me face-to-face (she parked her car around the corner, down the street)
• She, too, was growing paranoid of what to think.  She wanted info of class.....but saw wreckage floating around.

More phone calls.............I got another 15-20 phone calls from others.  They too were at crossroads.......and bailed.

• As things rippled out and out.......down to next generation.......I probably helped 120-150 others exit the cult.
• Even now, during Christmas.....we always have a dinner meal with a family that we helped to extricate.
• .......The rippling effect of helping others out of this cult......going into a third generation.

 

Edited January 9, 2017 by skyrider